You can't test throw invulnerability off of knockdown. Literally everyone always has frames 1 and 2 of their wakeup throw invulnerable. You have to test off a tick grab or something.
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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
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As Fchamp says. It's an extremely baffling nerf, if these notes are even correct at all. Mika players don't use this move at neutral: 8f startup (for a medium attack), -8 on block, 20 frames of RECOVERY.
What this means is that it will be harder to confirm into from st.MP. Sometimes now, when you do CH st.LP > st.MP, you're too far from the opponent to then clap them because of the nerfs it had already gotten. A hitbox reduction will mean that it'll be even harder. I already went for st.HP to avoid this scenario, and you'll see players like Luffy and even Fuudo sometimes miss the clap confirm because of this.
I was checking Dhalsim's current st.HP and it's 16f startup, 5f active and 22f recovery. A total of 43 frames, right? So why does the blog post say 44f?
Right! That was the asterisk back when I posted about it; I forgot about that. Balrog players are apparently saying that it was still throw invul on frame 1, though? Maybe I'll try it out in a bit.
ColonialHawk
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Balrog gets a good defensive buff and every one complains smh
UcchedavÄda
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That would make sense.
I suspect that it will be clarified when the Japanese language blog is posted on the CFN website.
It should really just be a target combo starting from st.MP.
Zombegoast
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Whoever is in charge in balance this game is a Balrog main.
Simple as that.
Simple as that.
Can't really test off a tick grab either - 2f throw invul is there off of blockstun too.
Rofl I forgot about that. That's super annoying. Actually we can just look at the throwboxes on the hitbox viewer right?
So my guess is that actually all of these are older patch note corrections / clarifications from the original S2 patch and not new changes. Not sure about Dhalsim's notes but Passion Press did get a hitbox reduction in the S2 changes that wasn't listed. Edit - whoops I was looking at s.HK instead of s.HP for Dhalsim. So I'm not sure about his notes listed here, but I would still wager that they did not make any actual adjustments since the original notes for this patch and these are all corrections.
UcchedavÄda
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Looking at Dhalsim's files via ToolAssisted's website, it looks like 5HP has been 42 frames for a few revisions. And before that it was 44 frames. So I think that it is indeed the case that these are simply changes to the patch notes, not new changes.
https://toolassisted.github.io/DIFF/#DSM_007/MOVE/4/5HP = 42 frames
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https://toolassisted.github.io/DIFF/#DSM_004/MOVE/4/5HP = 44 frames
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It applies to at least 3 versions of his files, so the change may date back to S2.0.
https://toolassisted.github.io/DIFF/#DSM_007/MOVE/4/5HP = 42 frames
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https://toolassisted.github.io/DIFF/#DSM_004/MOVE/4/5HP = 44 frames
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It applies to at least 3 versions of his files, so the change may date back to S2.0.
lucebuce12
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UcchedavÄda
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To follow up my previous post, file 005 seems to be the original S2.0 patch, since the cancels change for 5HP. And that is also the first file where the number of frames change to 42. So that would further suggest that these are simply old changes that were not listed when S2.0 was released.
"God's Beard!"
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Why is everybody talking about banning the Vega stage? Just let the Vega players jump off the wall for god's sake. Who cares if Vega players always have to use the same stage.
https://twitter.com/HatsonFGC/status/867772802673156096
Sounds like a confirmation.
Edit: Wait, nvm, I read that Twitter handle as "Harrison" at first. Still, this is basically pointing to what everyone's been saying.
Sounds like a confirmation.
Edit: Wait, nvm, I read that Twitter handle as "Harrison" at first. Still, this is basically pointing to what everyone's been saying.
lucebuce12
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So TAP is just as good as ever, basically.
Well nothing changed, so ya.
lucebuce12
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CountBlack
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capcom hitting us with an official pump fake
UcchedavÄda
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Meanwhile, at Capcom HQ:
FadedRevolution
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Why would the vega stage be banned? I mean its not that much different than V-Trigger EX Devil Reverse.
Oh sorry forgot this is Capcom. Spain stage probably gets removed due to having Italian singing in the BGM.
A new idea for a stage. It's a variation of Rashid's plane, still flying over Dubai, except now there's a pool on it (because Rashid is rich, so he has a pool on his plane) so you're fighting in the water like in Karin's beach. The pool is also surrounded by a protective net (because safety first) that Vega can climb.
lucebuce12
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sixteen-bit
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PR Balrog secretly bribing Capcom
Italian is my favorite religion
It's a fair question for Vega players. It's basically an option that they either have to choose a particular stage to have access to, or - more likely for tournament play - would only get via random select. If it has literally any value to Vega at all they're going to want to be able to use it rather than not. Won't be surprised if this stage is not allowed at CPT events.
Yep it does. I think you can select which stages you want in "random select". As for the wall climb, I think it's a nice little feature that makes that stage unique in comparison to the others. Surprised Capcom even put it in, even going as far as re-animating Vega for that specific climb. Good stuff.
lucebuce12
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The world isn't ready for my Kolin so F.A.N.G will have to make do.
But I've made plans. I've made preparations.
Mine too. Pope is the king.
UcchedavÄda
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It is pretty fitting for F.A.N.G to become your secondary.
I wouldn't mind getting Cammy's English countryside from SFII back, although that's probably one of the more forgettable stages from that game. Vega, Bison, Balrog, Sagat and Guile probably had the most memorable stages, and all of them are in the game by now save for Sagat's (but then it'd be pretty weird for his stage to make it in when he himself hasn't).
Well, I liked Chun's Chinese street a lot too, but it's probably too similar to the China stage that's in the game now.
Well, I liked Chun's Chinese street a lot too, but it's probably too similar to the China stage that's in the game now.
CountBlack
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deejay incoming with his jamaica stage?
UcchedavÄda
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More cultural insensitivity?
Bath House stage incoming
Ucchedavāda;238051137 said:
That's the entire foundation of what Street Fighter is built upon!
Deejay ain't ever coming back bruh
I would like to see the Bath House stage back, but keep Honda away,
Your other point is facts