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Suicide bombers kill at least 126 people in two mosques in Yemen's capital Sanaa

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thespot84

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It seems that the house of saud, while also wahhabi, is politically inclined not to support isis. However isis, as models of wahhabism, garners significant support among the saudi populace. It is not outrage to think that isis could enjoy unrestricted travel through saudi arabia at the hand of sympathetic members of the saudi military (who might have tipped off isis regarding the general they killed) Complex as always:

http://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabia-isis-islamic-state-united-states-299047

Body parts everywhere according to the news, terrible way to die, daesh are fucking cowards preying on the innocent.

Isis is a symptom. There is a real need for both representation and security among large sunni populations across the region that are either not being supplied or are directly threatened by the shia led goverments and institutions. This doesn't downplay the enormity of what isis is and does, however eliminating them will not solve the problem.

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mas http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis
 

Ushay

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The attacks on Shia are believed to be funded and encouraged by Saudi nationals, and very senior members of the house of Saud. Who are our friends. It's a disgusting hot mess.

Tell me about it, muslims attacking muslims is the absolute polar opposite of what the religion transcribed originally.

Everything is inherently wrong about ISIS so called vision for Islam. They've managed to warp, twist and completely change what it represents. Slave markets, outright execution of minority groups, rampant murder to name a few.

It's like what they do is intentionally supposed to generate hatred on a global scale for muslims. Something that will have huge ramifications if pulled off successfully, which it is thus far unfortunately.
 
That's a grave and brave position that not many take.

It's a terrible position to take, that's why nobody has taken it yet.

But, after seeing their indoctrination and corruption of children, including having children commit executions, I don't think there is a choice...
 

DonasaurusRex

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sooo is ISIS trying to restart the Caliphate like...700AD or the middle ages ottoman...cause they are ...acting just like that..have they come out with the same old story , they are the true true TRUE islam not sunni or shia or do they claim to be one of the two main branches of Islam.
 

Wreav

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sooo is ISIS trying to restart the Caliphate like...700AD or the middle ages ottoman...cause they are ...acting just like that..have they come out with the same old story , they are the true true TRUE islam not sunni or shia or do they claim to be one of the two main branches of Islam.

Isn't that exactly what they are doing? This is their Crusade.
 
Tell me about it, muslims attacking muslims is the absolute polar opposite of what the religion transcribed originally.

Everything is inherently wrong about ISIS so called vision for Islam. They've managed to warp, twist and completely change what it represents. Slave markets, outright execution of minority groups, rampant murder to name a few.

It's like what they do is intentionally supposed to generate hatred on a global scale for muslims. Something that will have huge ramifications if pulled off successfully, which it is thus far unfortunately.

The problem that we are faced with though is for how long will the rest of the world hold those views?

No-one is willing to go toe to toe with ISIS/any Muslim entity for fear of being turned into the bad guy although doing the right thing. Thus...

As things stand there is growing support against the Muslim world due to ISIS.

If things carry on the way they are with no real hardline action being taken, more frequent attacks on the west similar to the past few months (There are many cities in Europe who are expecting terrorism attacks in the next few months, my city, is on imminent alert according to my GF's father who is a high ranking cop) support against them will grow and like you said the ramifications could potentially be tremendous.

And the west will be painted as the bad guys.

Again.
 
It seems that the house of saud, while also wahhabi, is politically inclined not to support isis. However isis, as models of wahhabism, garners significant support among the saudi populace. It is not outrage to think that isis could enjoy unrestricted travel through saudi arabia at the hand of sympathetic members of the saudi military (who might have tipped off isis regarding the general they killed) Complex as always:

http://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabia-isis-islamic-state-united-states-299047



Isis is a symptom. There is a real need for both representation and security among large sunni populations across the region that are either not being supplied or are directly threatened by the shia led goverments and institutions. This doesn't downplay the enormity of what isis is and does, however eliminating them will not solve the problem.

EDIT:

mas http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis
You don't attain representation and security through killing innocent people, Isis has to be stopped first before any of the underlying shit can be addressed. And then you have Iran-sponsored shia militias running around, they need to be dealt with as well. There are probably 40-60k Isis combatants out there, we take that number down to zero, it'll be awhile before anything starts again, and it's going to send a message.

Shiites and Sunnis don't get along, that's the underlying problem, that will never be solved, you're always going to have a majority of one over the other, the solution is show them that killing the innocents is going to end very badly, for both, because they're going to die.

We have to kill Isis because there's no choice, there will be collateral damage, there will be casualties, it's going to be politically unpopular, but if we don't open the gates of hell on them, they'll do it to somebody else like they already have to tens of thousands.
 

Kisaya

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This is so fucking awful.

Anyone know if a list of names of the dead are somewhere? Basically my whole family lives in Sanaa
 
There were at least 128 religious people there. Roughly 126 of them were peaceful. Two were violent. But yeah, let's lump religious people in there with terrorists.

While you're at it, you should add "men," "middle easterners," "brown-skinned people," "humans," "bipeds," and "obligate aerobes" to your post.

There's no holy doctrine that justifies terrorism for being a man, middle aged, brown-skinned, human, bipeds, or obligate aerobes. Religion on the other hand.
 

NotBacon

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I'm surprised ISIS hasn't been wiped off the face of the earth yet. They've pissed off pretty much all the major superpowers. You would think the combined intelligence+firepower of a dozen of the worlds most powerful nations would be enough to destroy a bunch of guerilla fighters in no time...
 
I'm surprised ISIS hasn't been wiped off the face of the earth yet. They've pissed off pretty much all the major superpowers. You would think the combined intelligence+firepower of a dozen of the worlds most powerful nations would be enough to destroy a bunch of guerilla fighters in no time...

you got Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey sitting on their hands allowing ISIS do whatever they want
 

Cub3h

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According to this they were chanting "Death to America, Death to Israel" when the bomb went off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xgHar9ASDE&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

I'm kind of conflicted over this.

It just shows the Houthis are a proxy arm of Iran. And while the public image of Iran seems to have softened up they're still a horrible regime with despicable views. Just because the Saudis are arguably even worse doesn't make Iran any better.

In the words of Begim: "I wish both sides great success".
 

ICKE

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According to this they were chanting "Death to America, Death to Israel" when the bomb went off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xgHar9ASDE&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

I'm kind of conflicted over this.

You mean this :
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Obviously no one deserves to be killed for his or her opinions. A horrible tragedy especially when it happens in a place of worship, where people are supposed to find peace.

13 children among the deceased :( Fuck these lunatics.
 
You mean this :

Obviously no one deserves to be killed for his or her opinions. A horrible tragedy especially when it happens in a place of worship, where people are supposed to find peace.

13 children among the deceased :( Fuck these lunatics.

I can't muster any sympathy for them when they are chanting for death in that place of worship. I don't think the death of their children at the hands of IS will even make them to pause to think their propagation of hatred against the US and Israel in a mosque is wrong and misguided.
 

ICKE

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I can't muster any sympathy for them when they are chanting for death in that place of worship. I don't think the death of their children at the hands of IS will even make them to pause to think their propagation of hatred against the US and Israel in a mosque is wrong and misguided.

I understand that sentiment, some of those people might have committed similar acts themselves at some later point. It just pains me when innocents have to suffer, because adults have completely lost their minds.
 

Duji

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There were at least 128 religious people there. Roughly 126 of them were peaceful. Two were violent. But yeah, let's lump religious people in there with terrorists.

While you're at it, you should add "men," "middle easterners," "brown-skinned people," "humans," "bipeds," and "obligate aerobes" to your post.
Unfortunately a good chunk of the "peaceful" ones there were chanting "DEATH TO AMERICA, DEATH TO ISRAEL" seconds before they were blown up.

And I don't think we should so quickly ignore the role religion plays in all of this.
 

UrbanRats

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I can't muster any sympathy for them when they are chanting for death in that place of worship. I don't think the death of their children at the hands of IS will even make them to pause to think their propagation of hatred against the US and Israel in a mosque is wrong and misguided.

You can't muster ANY sympathy for someone being blown to bits? Well...
 

Sch1sm

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Regardless of Suadi Arabia's relationship with isis, the idea that isis would have free passage through Iran is ludicrous.

Regardless of Suadi Arabia's relationship with isis, the idea that isis would have free passage through Iran is ludicrous.

I see we have a tough crowd in the joke department.

Unfortunately a good chunk of the "peaceful" ones there were chanting "DEATH TO AMERICA, DEATH TO ISRAEL" seconds before they were blown up.

And I don't think we should so quickly ignore the role religion plays in all of this.

Still undeserved, though, no? Somewhere, right now, a freedom of speech argument is being used in the western world to justify an equally ludicrous set of statements.
 
I can't muster any sympathy for them when they are chanting for death in that place of worship. I don't think the death of their children at the hands of IS will even make them to pause to think their propagation of hatred against the US and Israel in a mosque is wrong and misguided.
Fucking wow.
 
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