SteveWinwood
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TheExplodingHead
Banned
Serious question, did you rage quit before you wrote this?
I only ask because I've had all these kinds of things planned out in my head to say on the internet when I was really pissed off at this game. But it was just that I was pissed. On your points though all I can agree on is that on very rare occasion the hitboxes can seem a bit inconsistent, and there are indeed rare wall jump glitches.
Grimm Fandango
Member
I only found a couple of areas with wonky hitboxes.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I have not even beaten world 1's boss and I love it.
thomasmahler
Moon Studios
Guys, just out of interest:
Have you played through Super Meat Boy using the Analog Stick OR the Digipad?
I recently had a debate with someone arguing about how important it is that you still support the Digipad in a 2d platformer (even though the analog stick was perfect in Meat Boy), because a lot of people won't ever get used to using an analog stick in a 2d game. I'd love to know how GAF sees it.
Have you played through Super Meat Boy using the Analog Stick OR the Digipad?
I recently had a debate with someone arguing about how important it is that you still support the Digipad in a 2d platformer (even though the analog stick was perfect in Meat Boy), because a lot of people won't ever get used to using an analog stick in a 2d game. I'd love to know how GAF sees it.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
1) This is the first I've ever seen a d-pad be called a digipad.
2) It depends. On a 360 controller, the analog stick is better than the d-pad, so I used it for SMB. I switched to a new Logitech controller with a better d-pad recently, so I use that now for most 2D games. I even went back and tested it a bit with SMB and found the d-pad superior.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
God yes. Jesus, that's the only way to make the game playable. Sorry if you didn't know that. There's a cfg file in the Meat Boy folder that's extremely easy to understand. I personally changed them to z and x
I honestly don't know who thought shift and space was a good idea.
cpp_is_king
Member
I started working on unlocking The Kid last night. After probably 500 deaths I actually managed to beat the first level. But jesus mother of christ, I cannot pass that 3rd elevator in the second level. I don't know what it is about the timing, but the second or third spike always kills me.
So here's my question: Is there seriously no way to save warp zone progress? I mean for other people that have unlocked The Kid, did you just leave your computer on with SMB running on the pause screen for 3 weeks straight so that you didn't have to restart from the first level of the warp zone again?
So here's my question: Is there seriously no way to save warp zone progress? I mean for other people that have unlocked The Kid, did you just leave your computer on with SMB running on the pause screen for 3 weeks straight so that you didn't have to restart from the first level of the warp zone again?
thomasmahler
Moon Studios
Well, what do you think d-pad stands for?
YianGaruga
Banned
directional pad
Scuba Steve
Member
Directional
Mac the KNife
Member
Directional pad
Littlegator
Banned
Check what color scheme your monitor is using. My projector fucked everything up (green meat boy, everything is black, etc.) until I changed it from RGB to CMYK.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I was wondering why this game doesn't have Steam cloud support for the saves? Of all my Steam games it's probably the save file that would hurt the most to lose. I take it it's no trivial matter implementing it if they didn't do it yet.
Well it wasn't that bad, I suppose everything just seemed a little darker. Like the green A button on the screen when I use my controller was yellow. And when I put it back to windowed mode it looks just fine.
Who knows. It has Steam Cloud on Windows, but not Mac which makes NO FUCKING SENSE. Seriously. And how it's gone this far without an update to add it in is really confusing.
cpp_is_king
Member
Umm. It doesn't have Steam Cloud on Windows.
Also, I posted a hackish solution for putting cloud support yourself a few pages back. it involves making a dropbox account and doing some Windows magic to make SMB always save directly to your DropBox folder
cpp_is_king
Member
Why is my Act 1 boss bugged as hell? Steam version.
I cant jump..... I sometimes am able to jump ONCE if I really, really mash the jump, but that it is it...
That's the only level that's a problem though? Are you using a gamepad and/or gamepad keyboard emulator?
360 controller. But the thing is, that it works perfetly on every other level. Once I open the world 1 boss, I am stuck in the bloody mud, not being able to jump, only go left and right. Insane.
Littlegator
Banned
Why is my Act 1 boss bugged as hell? Steam version.
I cant jump..... I sometimes am able to jump ONCE if I really, really mash the jump, but that it is it...
Are you getting poor performance? I get pretty much 0 responsiveness on my shit school-issue laptop.
cpp_is_king
Member
360 controller. But the thing is, that it works perfetly on every other level. Once I open the world 1 boss, I am stuck in the bloody mud, not being able to jump, only go left and right. Insane.
What happens if you use the keyboard for that level?
Same. Will try it with controller unplugged tonight. Also, performance is fine.
cpp_is_king
Member
Very strange. If it still doesn't work later I would suggest deleting all local game data and re-downloading.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
Honestly it's just practice and sitting there until you get it done, nothing but endurance and pure Gonzo adrenaline.
The whole idea behind it being a three level set is to do it one sitting. My advice on Kid2 would be don't over think the movements to avoid the spikes, just time a rhythm in your mind and you'll eventually get it. You'll never beat it if you "think" about it, as strange as that sounds.
After saying this anybody notice the 2 new achievements? Talk about the Kid's warpzone being hard!
My mistake. I swore it did. But still, I can't believe it doesn't. I'm going to try that DropBox thing with the Hard Links in OS X and Windows. Question, which folder on each OS do I need to link to? (I'm very familiar with using hard links and DropBox for syncing. I use it to sync my Minecraft saves and in conjunction with Hazel to organize and move downloaded files from my MacBook to my Mac mini server. /explanabrag) I've looked in Steam's Library folder and it's a horrible mess of unstandardized folders. Some games are in a standard location, others throw their files willy nilly. Horrible implementation of a sandbox. I can't locate the file SMB uses for save data.
cpp_is_king
Member
I honsetly have no idea in Mac. On Windows it's
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\super meat boy\userdata
if you have a 64-bit operating system. If you have a 32-bit operating system, it's
C:\Program Files\Steam\SteamApps\common\super meat boy\userdata
cpp_is_king
Member
Honestly it's just practice and sitting there until you get it done, nothing but endurance and pure Gonzo adrenaline.
The whole idea behind it being a three level set is to do it one sitting. My advice on Kid2 would be don't over think the movements to avoid the spikes, just time a rhythm in your mind and you'll eventually get it. You'll never beat it if you "think" about it, as strange as that sounds.
After saying this anybody notice the 2 new achievements? Talk about the Kid's warpzone being hard!
God damn shit I never want to see those fucking levels again. From watching videos I assumed 3 would be the easiest, but it was just as hard, if not harder, than the others.
After beating 2 though, it's like being on the last level of Contra and your mom telling you it's time for school. It's like "FUCK YOU I'M ON THE LAST LEVEL OF CONTRA, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS?!"
Edit: What are those 2 new achievements talking about? How do you unlock those levels?
iKeepPlaying
Banned
TheExplodingHead
Banned
God damn shit I never want to see those fucking levels again. From watching videos I assumed 3 would be the easiest, but it was just as hard, if not harder, than the others.
After beating 2 though, it's like being on the last level of Contra and your mom telling you it's time for school. It's like "FUCK YOU I'M ON THE LAST LEVEL OF CONTRA, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS?!"
Edit: What are those 2 new achievements talking about? How do you unlock those levels?
Their basically Super Meat World levels, it's a set of 5 of them...all much harder than the Kid's warpzone.
You can find them listed under "levels" in Super Meat World under these names:
Lump of Coal
Underwear
Sweater
Socks
Fruit cake
Good luck!
cpp_is_king
Member
Just curious, are people hacking achievements in this game? Looking at the leaderboards and lots of people get like 5 or 6 trophies at a time, or get all the "complete X world without dying" trophies within 3 minutes of each other.
snoopeasystreet
Member
I'm thinking of making a trainer for SMB. I really want some of those achievements so I think that if I can create something to unlock them, I deserve them. Seems more ethical than downloading one off the net.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
There have been a lot of people hacking achievements for this, it's lame. But like you said it's easy to spot.
cpp_is_king
Member
Their basically Super Meat World levels, it's a set of 5 of them...all much harder than the Kid's warpzone.
You can find them listed under "levels" in Super Meat World under these names:
Lump of Coal
Underwear
Sweater
Socks
Fruit cake
Good luck!
Took a look at them and jesus. One of the last two, can't remember if it was Socks or Fruitcake, seemed doable and I almost beat it, but some are pretty outrageous.
In any case, how did you even find out about these levels and that these are part of the Kids Xmas level pack? Was there an announcement somewhere?
Also, this is the first time I've gone into Super Meat World. What an atrocious UI, I can't believe for a game that is so otherwise polished, they let this garbage dump of a UI make it in the game.
Using the above path as a starting point I found it. For some weird reason they put the save files INSIDE the Application Bundle. Inside the "common/super meat boy" folder is an app named "SuperMeatBoy.app" which has the save files inside the "/Contents/MacOS/UserData" folder contained within.
/Users/jasoco/Library/Application Support/Steam/SteamApps/common/super meat boy/SuperMeatBoy.app/Contents/MacOS/UserData
I assume I could put a SymLink inside the application package, but I'm wondering how Steam updates Mac apps. Will it replace just the binary inside the SuperMeatBoy.app package? I assume so since it is able to update an app without removing its save files, but still. I'll give it a shot and report my findings. I just need to Google how to make a symlink on Windows.
Personally if I were Valve, I would have used a more organized structure for its service.
Code:
Steam
+- Games
+- Saves
+- DLCcpp_is_king
Member
Not sure how it works on Mac, but on Windows, every game is responsible for its own internal directory structure, including save format. So what you're seeing may be a Valve thing, and it may be a Team Meat thing. Not sure.
Edit: To make a link on windows, I described the process in the previous post on a previous page. You need a utility called "junction". Anyway just go back a few pages and it has links and complete instructions.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
I found out through the Steam forums, there's a thread about it. Apparently Edmund was supposed to be uploading a "chapter" with these level but hasn't yet. But those are the 5 included.
And yeah the UI in Super Meat World sucks, but you do get used to it after a while.
Already got it with MKLINK in the Command Prompt program. It works perfectly. I tested the game on both sides and it synced them back with no problems.
MKLINK /D C:\SymLink_Location C:\DropBox_Save_Folder_Location
When I had Portal installed, it put its files all over the root of the Steam folder instead of all in one centralized location. It was a mess. I uninstalled it temporarily to free up space and clean it all up, but I wonder if it'll put it back there next time I install it.
Anyway, the Mac version is still terrible. I played the World 2 boss on both versions and the Mac version, while letting Meat Boy run at normal speed was executing the scripts at half speed. I grabbed the key and started climbing before the boss even jumped out of the blood and died because it was off screen. And this was with -fullscreen -lowdetail -1280x720 set as the runtime options. Fucking hell. I could program a less laggy game in Lua if I had to.
LoftyTheMetroid
Member
(SMB is on OSX now? Maybe I should redownload it and check it out again...)
I picked this up a looong while back for $2.50, been playing it on and off this past semester.
It's pretty impressive (all the more so that it was done by just two guys, and with such attention to detail), but I can't say I really loved it, especially in comparison to similar games of the time, like VVVVVV.
I feel like SMB eschews a lot of genuine originality/novelty for the sake of hardcore platforming and skill based challenges. Most levels aren't too terribly interesting or memorable to me in a gameplay sense, and yet they feel incredibly tight and balanced, if that makes sense. To me, it feels like the game has a high emphasis on difficulty/competition to justify itself. Like, when approaching level design, Team Meat asked, "How can we make this level challenging with plenty of depth to reward those with the most skill and investment in our game?" as opposed to, "How can we make this level fun and interesting and explore the full range and of our gameplay frontier?"
I'm definitely not going to claim that sort of approach is bad, it's just not for me. My favorite levels were those that did something new or unique, like the one in hell with the lasers at the bottom half where you had to go up and down to block the lasers behind the barriers, or the introduction of portals, the repulsion balls, etc. However, these sorts of mechanics seemed too far and few between, and they almost always felt subservient to maintaining a sense of challenge/accomplishment. This is in contrast to, say, the aforementioned VVVVVV where each level/sub-world introduced a really interesting core idea or twist on the main mechanic while still maintaining a good sense of challenge/accomplishment (I'm still proud of doing Veni Vedi Vici XP).
All that said, SMB was definitely one of the better titles released last year, and I'm glad I played it... but I'm also glad I didn't pay full price for it.
(I'm actually enjoying The Binding of Isaac much more than SMB atm...)
I picked this up a looong while back for $2.50, been playing it on and off this past semester.
It's pretty impressive (all the more so that it was done by just two guys, and with such attention to detail), but I can't say I really loved it, especially in comparison to similar games of the time, like VVVVVV.
I feel like SMB eschews a lot of genuine originality/novelty for the sake of hardcore platforming and skill based challenges. Most levels aren't too terribly interesting or memorable to me in a gameplay sense, and yet they feel incredibly tight and balanced, if that makes sense. To me, it feels like the game has a high emphasis on difficulty/competition to justify itself. Like, when approaching level design, Team Meat asked, "How can we make this level challenging with plenty of depth to reward those with the most skill and investment in our game?" as opposed to, "How can we make this level fun and interesting and explore the full range and of our gameplay frontier?"
I'm definitely not going to claim that sort of approach is bad, it's just not for me. My favorite levels were those that did something new or unique, like the one in hell with the lasers at the bottom half where you had to go up and down to block the lasers behind the barriers, or the introduction of portals, the repulsion balls, etc. However, these sorts of mechanics seemed too far and few between, and they almost always felt subservient to maintaining a sense of challenge/accomplishment. This is in contrast to, say, the aforementioned VVVVVV where each level/sub-world introduced a really interesting core idea or twist on the main mechanic while still maintaining a good sense of challenge/accomplishment (I'm still proud of doing Veni Vedi Vici XP).
All that said, SMB was definitely one of the better titles released last year, and I'm glad I played it... but I'm also glad I didn't pay full price for it.
(I'm actually enjoying The Binding of Isaac much more than SMB atm...)
never really played this type of game before.
having alot of trouble with my accuracy of my jumping. always overshoot or undershoot. it's really frustrating to me.
and i'm only on the world 2 boss. i guess these types of games are just too hard for me. i will keep trying for a bit though. i've seen some of the later levels and i'm having trouble with these i should give up, heh.
i can see why people really like this game now though.
having alot of trouble with my accuracy of my jumping. always overshoot or undershoot. it's really frustrating to me.
and i'm only on the world 2 boss. i guess these types of games are just too hard for me. i will keep trying for a bit though. i've seen some of the later levels and i'm having trouble with these i should give up, heh.
i can see why people really like this game now though.