Super "NeoGAF Arcade Stick Thread" II TURBO

Skilletor said:
VLX layout is standard, lol. It's used on tons of stucks. I bet the dragon uses VLX layout. (just checked and yep). I agree they're close, and that's one of the reasons noir is da bes.

Hori buttons and sticks are just as good (if not better) than sanwa. That's just preference.

Plastic door is garbage for sure, though.
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The stick on the Dragon is noticebly further out compared to the VLX and the point I was making with the buttons is that if they were shooting for a faithful recreation of the Vewlix, they should have the correct buttons.

I personally prefer Sanwa, but the Hori buttons are solid too. I think both lose to Korean buttons tho.

Overall I think the button delay was the biggest issue for me..and I totally forgot to mention the awkward touchpad placement on the back of the stick. smh

oneida said:
*Vewlix
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I always spelled Vewlix "Viewlix, same goes with Semitsu. Tilts my buddies which is probably why I accidentally made it a habit lol
 
StayFree( ' 3') said:
The stick on the Dragon is noticebly further out compared to the VLX and the point I was making with the buttons is that if they were shooting for a faithful recreation of the Vewlix, they should have the correct buttons.

I personally prefer Sanwa, but the Hori buttons are solid too. I think both lose to Korean buttons tho.

Overall I think the button delay was the biggest issue for me..and I totally forgot to mention the awkward touchpad placement on the back of the stick. smh



I always spelled Vewlix "Viewlix, same goes with Semitsu. Tilts my buddies which is probably why I accidentally made it a habit lol
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http://shoryuken.com/2014/02/14/hor...-hayabusa-levers-and-kuro-buttons-to-arcades/

Haven't seen an update saying they're using hayabusa buttons, but...yeah, Hori parts aren't just for their individual sticks.


Rest is just personal preference.

VLX is awesome. Dragon is awesome. You're also referencing Teyah, who I think is bunk, but the newest VLX hasn't been tested. Supposed to be a newer PCB like the one in the newer RAP4s.

Edit: Looks like the Dragon isn't the VLX layout, so my bad on that.
 
Skilletor said:
We're haggling. Probably be 2-3k. Dude is local, so I don't have to worry about shipping.
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Uh, make sure that's a genuine Taito Vewlix at that price and not one of the many Chinese knockoffs. I just saw a batch of knockoffs (sold with the knowledge it was a knockoff up front) go for $1k each shipped to Ohio.
 
Quanba Dragon actually looks really impressive. Though Id get the VLX more for the novelty than the features.

I dont think any stick will ever replace my modded Fighting Edge as my main stick....Unless Hori finally releases that new one they've been teasing. Hoping it has an easy open case like the Dragon.
 
I've never owned a stick.

Neighbor kid a couple floors down from me offered me a Hori RAP4 Silent for $50.

Should I hit up the ATM after my run?
 
JusDoIt said:
yes. you'd be saving like $100.
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So, there really isn't any modding to be done for to the stick, is what he said. Because the buttons and stick are proprietary? Or putting in different buttons would eliminate the silent? Why the silent anyway? Sorry, newb questions.
 
Onemic said:
Quanba Dragon actually looks really impressive. Though Id get the VLX more for the novelty than the features.

I dont think any stick will ever replace my modded Fighting Edge as my main stick....Unless Hori finally releases that new one they've been teasing. Hoping it has an easy open case like the Dragon.
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New fighting edge is sick. It's definitely my favorite stick. No point in changing. You've got perfection already. I can't wait for the PS4 version.
 
Goofalo said:
So, there really isn't any modding to be done for to the stick, is what he said. Because the buttons and stick are proprietary? Or putting in different buttons would eliminate the silent? Why the silent anyway? Sorry, newb questions.
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You can change the stick and buttons I'm pretty sure, swapping artwork is a little harder (you'll have to order a plexi? )
 
Skilletor said:
New fighting edge is sick. It's definitely my favorite stick. No point in changing. You've got perfection already. I can't wait for the PS4 version.
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I think that if they are going to price it at $200 or above they should seriously consider making it possible to open it up at the touch of a button.
 
Gave the neighbor kid $50. Got my stick.

The buttons are quiet. I wish I could drop a octagon gate into this, but it appears that's not an option?

The panel where the cord tucks into, the lid is crap. But that's a small issue.

Best of all, works well with my PC and PS4.

I should get a game for this. I've been playing a couple rounds of SFIV Ultra. I am not good. So not good.
 
oneida said:
this is your first stick? and you just got it?
who the hell is spreading this octo-gate propaganda
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This is my first stick.

The octagon gate was something my friend told me about when I told him I bought a stick.

After sometime playing it, the only issue I have is that the buttons feel...spongy? Maybe I was expecting that tactile sort of feedback from a mechanical keyboard. But it's not a real issue, I'm just assuming its my brain upset that its expectations aren't being fulfilled.

I am horrible at fighting games, but its fun.
 
Goofalo said:
This is my first stick.

The octagon gate was something my friend told me about when I told him I bought a stick.

After sometime playing it, the only issue I have is that the buttons feel...spongy? Maybe I was expecting that tactile sort of feedback from a mechanical keyboard. But it's not a real issue, I'm just assuming its my brain upset that its expectations aren't being fulfilled.

I am horrible at fighting games, but its fun.
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I would strongly suggest sticking with the square gate to begin with. It is the widely accepted standard for good reason. Too many people use octagon gates as a crutch to mask poor execution, and needlessly using one while learning stick will just reinforce bad habits and stunt the development of your playstyle.
 
StarCreator said:
I would strongly suggest sticking with the square gate to begin with. It is the widely accepted standard for good reason. Too many people use octagon gates as a crutch to mask poor execution, and needlessly using one while learning stick will just reinforce bad habits and stunt the development of your playstyle.
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"standard for good reason" is something i wish people would consider before modding the fuck out of their sticks, !!especially!! new players. hori isn't going to shortchange you a $1 part on their $150 controller, the pieces in a HRAP are there to appease as many customers as possible (or else... no one would buy a HRAP)
and while yeah it is worth trying stuff out and fine tuning your preferences in the long run, it's very frustrating to me that modding octo-gate specifically seems to be tremendously popular among first-time stick owners _and practically no one else_. i swear it's a conspiracy.
 
oneida said:
"standard for good reason" is something i wish people would consider before modding the fuck out of their sticks, !!especially!! new players. hori isn't going to shortchange you a $1 part on their $150 controller, the pieces in a HRAP are there to appease as many customers as possible (or else... no one would buy a HRAP)
and while yeah it is worth trying stuff out and fine tuning your preferences in the long run, it's very frustrating to me that modding octo-gate specifically seems to be tremendously popular among first-time stick owners _and practically no one else_. i swear it's a conspiracy.
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But Seimitsu parts in sticks are so rare! :(

Seriously, though, I agree. People need to legit spend time with the stick they get, regardless, to get used to using the thing in general. It's just like nearly anything else when you're new to it: don't start upgrading your tools until you've reached the limits of what you can do with what you have. And don't blame them for failure until you're comfortable with them.
 
Speaking of getting use to a fightstick, I've been having some execution problems online in the heat of a battle, I think I am doing things correctly but the move just won't come out, I go into practice mode and everything comes out fine so I was thinking maybe my joystcik grip is no good? I just grab it with the 3 fingers like this:
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Do I need to switch to this "hold as a glass of wine" grab?

pinkiebottom_side.jpg


I've heard is more reliable and the most common one, I only found out about this yesterday while pondering what might be the culprit of my execution problems.
 
Here's a little overview/tutorial by gootecks: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IXP0kc9Sry8

Ultimately, it's what you feel most comfortable with and if executing commands with a certain grip is easier/doable over another way of holding it, go with that. Takes some practice and time to adjust to a new way of gripping but it's the trial-by-error method you'll need to go through to see what works for you.
 
mamoniadas said:
afaik there are two places offering cherry mx switches in buttons,Paradise Arcade's OBS-MX and Gamerfinger buttons. I think both let u pick which switch you want too.
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I wonder how those feel. I have a filco keyboard with cherry mx blues and it feels premium af, but you'd prolly wanna go with mx reds for a fightstick, right?
 
The Omega Man said:
Speaking of getting use to a fightstick, I've been having some execution problems online in the heat of a battle, I think I am doing things correctly but the move just won't come out, I go into practice mode and everything comes out fine so I was thinking maybe my joystcik grip is no good? I just grab it with the 3 fingers like this:
threefingers_side.jpg


Do I need to switch to this "hold as a glass of wine" grab?

pinkiebottom_side.jpg


I've heard is more reliable and the most common one, I only found out about this yesterday while pondering what might be the culprit of my execution problems.
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Bottom seems to be more common, but whatever works reliably. Personally I switch between a variation of both pictured styles. Charge characters (blanka) i find the above easier, but precise diagonal (ken/ryu, Jam) the bottom method no doubt so as to get some square gate feedback thus ensuring moves are properly executed.

I'd recommend the wine method for a week and see if your muscle memory adjusts.
 
sixteen-bit said:
I wonder how those feel. I have a filco keyboard with cherry mx blues and it feels premium af, but you'd prolly wanna go with mx reds for a fightstick, right?
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I have gamefinger cherry red's on both my hrap4 and Fighting Edge and they're amazing. Best set of buttons I've ever owned bar none. They're more more silent than sanwa's but still provide great feedback
 
The Omega Man said:
Speaking of getting use to a fightstick, I've been having some execution problems online in the heat of a battle, I think I am doing things correctly but the move just won't come out, I go into practice mode and everything comes out fine so I was thinking maybe my joystcik grip is no good?
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I've heard is more reliable and the most common one, I only found out about this yesterday while pondering what might be the culprit of my execution problems.
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Many top players have different grips. It's mostly about what feels most comfortable to you.
To find out what's best for you, go to training mode and perform all the basic special moves as cleanly as possible, first slowly, then at match speed. Also try movement like dashes.
 
I've always wanted a arcade joystick for home so I made 2 of these:
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I don't know about the different switches so I just ordered a 2 player set off Amazon for 90 bucks CDN. Still unfinished as I'm making some shelves for underneath the TV and haven't picked out the stain yet and I was thinking of making them match. Was a fun project.
 
StarCreator said:
I would strongly suggest sticking with the square gate to begin with. It is the widely accepted standard for good reason. Too many people use octagon gates as a crutch to mask poor execution, and needlessly using one while learning stick will just reinforce bad habits and stunt the development of your playstyle.
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I feel like this is the sound and proper advice if your main aim in owning a stick is to play and get good at fighting games, especially if you are in the situation where you might feasibly be playing in an arcade (not that half these games even have arcade versions these days) or on someone else's controls where they'd inevitably be Square gated.

It's maybe less essential if you are likely to be playing a lot of other games using the thing. I find there's something reassuring about the stick settling in the cardinal directions for thing that don't involve Street Fighter-style movements. That's why I own multiple sticks, though.
 
Seyob said:
What's the reason for that again?
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The initial production run of the stick has issues with 3+ simultaneous inputs. As far as I know that is the majority of the ones produced since it was available for such a limited amount of time. There should be a signifier engraved into the bottom plate to let you know which version you have (either S or M, if I remember correctly).
 
sixteen-bit said:
The initial production run of the stick has issues with 3+ simultaneous inputs. As far as I know that is the majority of the ones produced since it was available for such a limited amount of time. There should be a signifier engraved into the bottom plate to let you know which version you have (either S or M, if I remember correctly).
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ahhh that does ring a bell indeed! It's an outstanding stick apart from that IMO. SEGA dropped the ball once again
 
sixteen-bit said:
The initial production run of the stick has issues with 3+ simultaneous inputs. As far as I know that is the majority of the ones produced since it was available for such a limited amount of time. There should be a signifier engraved into the bottom plate to let you know which version you have (either S or M, if I remember correctly).
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I was lucky to get the revised ones. I do have one unopened still, so I should probably check to see what it has.
 
So guys..

I need an arcade stick
I don't want to spend too much on one and I don't plan on using it for hardcore or competitive anything, just enjoying ancient arcade games emulated on PC.

With that said, I narrowed the choice down to
Qanba Q1
8bitdo arcade

Which one feels better ?
Is the 8bitdo wireless only and if so does that add any noticeable lag ?

Thaaaaaanks
 
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