Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U Thread 5: Yarning for Yoshi
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No, it was just a Power glove joke. Sorry if it caused any confusion.
MrSaturn99
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I'm hoping they'll at least buff it considering how it was borderline useless in Brawl.
I mean, for whatever reason I actually really like the Mario Tornado as an aerial, but still.
BassForever
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Him tweeting that pic of the monado was a good indication that at worst he has considered the series and knows about, to what extent we dunno.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I just want Wolf to return and be playable ;_;
ShockingAlberto
Member
Mother is pretty well known in Japan and Itoi is a national celebrity. The reason they don't crank out Mother games is because Itoi wants to keep it a project he worked on a few times at most.
Hell, one of their tentpoles of Wii U advertising in Japan was Mother 2 on the Virtual Console. Not saying it was a good idea, but to characterize it as obscure compared to, like, Ice Climbers is pretty crazy.
BassForever
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Imagine if Sakurai has picked say takamaru to be melee's retro rep, we probably would never even consider Ice Climbers as a smash rep
I don't know about that. In Japan, there's a divide between NES/Famicom games and those playable exclusively through the Disk System (they're almost considered two different platforms). Sakurai only considered retro NES characters for Melee, and it seems Pit was included in Brawl to represent the Disk System.
The Ice Climbers and Balloon Fighter were the only classic NES characters to receive multiple votes in Sakurai's Melee newcomer survey. Even more recently, Ice Climber received an e-Reader release, received an NES Classics GBA release, is on the Virtual Console, and is featured in NES Remix for Wii U. It's one of a handful of retro games that Nintendo routinely references/rereleases. People would certainly bring the Ice Climbers up as potential retro newcomers if they weren't in Melee; I see far more obscure suggestions on a daily basis.
Yeah I grew up with Ice Climbers being a part of Melee, but it's not like I had even heard of them prior to that.
It makes sense from the PoV that they offered a unique style with two characters, but not that they were a very popular series.
Wiki says:
So maybe some Euro-GAFers were stoked to see Ice Climbers show up
It makes sense from the PoV that they offered a unique style with two characters, but not that they were a very popular series.
Wiki says:
So maybe some Euro-GAFers were stoked to see Ice Climbers show up
TheCongressman1
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I love sunshine, but you guys are right. It really doesn't work well in Smash, at least not how they have it now.
That might be a lot better.
Shamrock7r
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Yall should watch some of the better Mario players out there. There are some very interesting and effective ways to use Fludd, from edge guarding to spacing to changing aerial direction.
TheCongressman1
Member
I'm sure there are. People learn how to work with pretty much anything in smash.
I'm just saying I don't think it's intuitive. Like others have said, Mario has always felt like a well rounded easy to play character. Having a move like that is just kind of weird.
Dr. Buni
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I honestly wouldn't miss any of these three, especially Wolf. I vastly prefer Marth and Ness over Ike and Lucas. Wolf is just plain boring. That being said, I am sure there are people who likes these characters out there, so in a way, it would suck if they were cut.
yea.
Logic doesn't apply to smash. How does peach pull turnips out from a metal floor? How does wario materialize a motorcycle out of nowhere? You can ask questions like that all day long.
Shamrock7r
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I don't see anything wrong with a relatively easy character having some more advanced techniques. That being said, Mario is actually not an incredibly easy character to play when it comes to competitive play.
Young Link had Great Bay, The Moon Trophy, The Four Giants Trophy, Tingle Trophy, Turtle Trophy, Majoras Mask Trophy and Trophy Tussle Stage, the Ocarina of Time Trophy, and Lon Lon Milk Trophy.
Those are stretches, but Young Link was more his Majoras Mask counterpart which had it's fair share of representation in Melee similar to Lucas in Brawl as you said.
Not saying it Lucas would get cut, but thought I'd bring this up.
I'm a huge Mother fan in general but the west never saw the light of day from Mother 3 outside of a fan translation, unfortunately.
I'd like to see them add Jeff as a playable character or Paula instead with their own move set, to go along with Ness.
If they do add Lucas then I hope they won't just make him a clone of Ness. I hope all clones are done with.
Was there confirmation via screenshots of video that Mario still uses the FLUDD? Wasn't a huge fan of it in Brawl. It was a 'turret' ability, stand still and aim/shoot. It felt clunky for Mario.
That would work.
That would work.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Yup, he knows it exists atleast, though I dont think disaster day of crisis has even crossed his mind.
Dr. Buni
Member
So Ness wasn't enough to represent the Mother series. I see. Honestly, I like both characters and the Mother series, but I wouldn't be opposed to Lucas being replaced by say, a villain from the said series. Of course, if Sakurai could put a Mother villain in the game without the need to remove Lucas, it would be even better. My suggestion for the third rep would be
Claus
Rosalina's trailer.
Dimitri LH
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And FLUDD looks to have been buffed from what weve seen.
Thanks, guess I just didn't pay attention back when I watched that.
Went ahead and took a screenshot this time so I won't forget.
Shamrock7r
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So you're idea is to switch switch Lucas out with a character that is just a color swap (Which was already one of Lucas's secondary outfits)? Or even if they use his helmet costume, in the game he had the exact same powers as Lucas. Be brave. Go New Age Retro Hippie.
Okay, yeah, Young Link could get removed because he was replaced with Toon Link.Young Link had Great Bay, The Moon Trophy, The Four Giants Trophy, Tingle Trophy, Turtle Trophy, Majoras Mask Trophy and Trophy Tussle Stage, the Ocarina of Time Trophy, and Lon Lon Milk Trophy.
Those are stretches, but Young Link was more his Majoras Mask counterpart which had it's fair share of representation in Melee similar to Lucas in Brawl as you said.
Not saying it Lucas would get cut, but thought I'd bring this up.
Well, Sakurai is Japanese and I honestly don't think he cares that much if the game didn't come out outside of Japan. Plus, Earthbound was never released in Europe and I don't think lack of localization is a reason to leave a character out.
And Paula and Jeff? Eh.... I'd rather only have Ness as the only Mother character than one of his sidekicks.
Yeah.
I really don't think having a villain from one game but not the main character from said game makes much sense to be honest. But
Claus
Dr. Buni
Member
Uh. It was just throwing out an idea, so I see no need to attack me. I am not that familiar with the Mother series, although I've played Mother 3 (but never managed to finish it, sadly I get bored of 99% of JPRG I try to play before finishing them) and I also love the soundtracks. Maybe there are some better fitting villains to put in the game instead of
Claus
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Poor Mother 1, being unrepresented.
Okay, yeah, Young Link could get removed because he was replaced with Toon Link.
Well, Sakurai is Japanese and I honestly don't think he cares that much if the game didn't come out outside of Japan. Plus, Earthbound was never released in Europe and I don't think lack of localization is a reason to leave a character out.
And I'd rather only have Ness than a sidekick from his game like Jeff and Paula.
Yeah.
I really don't think having a villain from one game but not the main character from said game makes much sense to be honest. Butas an addition would make me happy. I actually don't mind a third Mother character, lol.Claus
Really? I thought the assist trophy for Jeff looked amazing. They could also do some really amazing and creative things with him...
I'm happy if they left in both Lucas or Ness but yeah... my main concern is clones. Just give them unique moves and a different playstyle.
TheCongressman1
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Yeah, nothing's wrong with it. It's just a preference of mine for Mario.
MrSaturn99
Member
PLEASE LET LUCAS STAY OMG
I dunno if I could bear to lose either of my two boys. ;_;
I dunno if I could bear to lose either of my two boys. ;_;
Don't worry, Lucas is here to stay.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
E Gadd should be a character that uses FLUDD the Poltergust and all his other inventions.
ShockingAlberto
Member
It's cyclical
Thread goes through the entire roster and presents arguments for why (X) is non-essential. Peppered throughout are "The way Sakurai thinks is..." (usually without basis) and "(X)'s series just isn't that popular anymore" (usually isn't true).
Jorok Goldblade
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The only character I could potentially see being cut at this point is Snake, and that's mainly on whether Konami re-licenses him instead of the possibility of Sakurai choosing to axe him.
Benzychenz
Member
I think Mario being cut is pretty likely. No one really plays as him so he's a bit of a waste of dev time.
I think based on the reception given to Earthbound on the VC, it feels only fair to keep 2 characters from the Mother franchise. I guess the idea of one leaving is the potential smaller upcoming roster and Ness has been there day one so he should be safe
As is Captain Falcon, show me Captain Falcon
benzy pls
This is my sentiment for the most part. They have far more resources and a clear development schedule. We have no reason to believe they won't have time for everyone. (Snake is a licensing problem, but a solvable one.)
Is it beyond reason to think that FLUDD could be buffed and made easier to use?