It's a Spotpass map anyway (along with the other Spotpass Awakening story characters) so you wouldn't have to pay, just need an internet connection.
Ragnell was seriously downgraded though, no longer unbreakable.
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Ragnell was seriously downgraded though, no longer unbreakable.
SenorArdilla
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Make sure Sean Schemmel reprises his role as well.
C.Olimar788
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I sincerely doubt there will be four cuts. I've said it before, I'll say it again: the only possible cuts from Smash 4 are Pokemon Trainer, Sheik, and Snake - the former two for RAM and loading limitations on the 3DS and Snake for obvious third party negotiations. No character is going to be cut for being a "clone" or they would have chopped Toon Link, the cloniest of them all.
48 characters seems a bit too small of a roster to me, too, but I suppose it could happen. But that wouldn't leave room for a whole lot of newcomers, especially if they don't cut any characters.
48 characters seems a bit too small of a roster to me, too, but I suppose it could happen. But that wouldn't leave room for a whole lot of newcomers, especially if they don't cut any characters.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Not Zero Suit Samus?
theprodigy
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That's (at face value) 13 more characters than Brawl. You're telling me that Brawl's roster (potentially minus Snake if anyone at all until this rumor gets sorted out/verified) + tweaked move sets among folks in that roster + plus let's say (taken from my lists):
Impa
Dixie Kong
Ridley
Palutena
Anna/Robin
Shulk/Wonderful 100
Takamaru
Mii
Little Mac
Rosalina
Villager
Megaman
Wii Fit Trainer
Would be a small roster? @__@
To be fair, I think Brawl has 39 instead of 35, after you count all the transformation characters/movesets. They require (I'm guessing) pretty much the same amount of design work, I think they might as well be counted.
That would make it just 9 more new comers. It would still be a big roster, but depressing to think we've already seen more newcomers revealed so far than we'll see from now until the game comes out.
I have never played a Fire Emblem game, but can I just ask if these endless character suggestions actually make any sense? I mean, Anna? Tiki? Owain? Micaiah? Tharja? Donnel? These characters doesn't even seem to be the main characters of their games, and I really don't get why a secondary character would get in when there are so many main characters to choose from.
Anna makes some sense but the rest have no chance in hell, really.
It's between Chrom and Robin I think.
BassForever
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If Smash 4 had 48 characters plus transformations assuming no cuts or new transformation characters that'd put the roster at 52 just 4 less then Marvel vs Capcom 2, I'd say that's pretty damn impressive
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Sub-Zero and Saberwulf for SSB4.
theprodigy
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Anna appears in all but one game, so she would represent the series pretty well
Micaiah is actually a lord, but like Lyn, her time is done
the others, lol
BassForever
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Lucina should be considered as well, she's arguably more iconic then Chrom or Avatar
Lucina's best chance to get in smash as of now is a Marth alt skin.
Chrom has a good chance of going right over Ike, with ideally the same moveset (they technically both have Aether)
Robin would be an exciting newcomer because there could be some fun sword/magic combo, or if they are really brave every weapon in the game.
Chrom has a good chance of going right over Ike, with ideally the same moveset (they technically both have Aether)
Robin would be an exciting newcomer because there could be some fun sword/magic combo, or if they are really brave every weapon in the game.
Wishlists gonna list wishes. Anna's my pick because of both the personality and potential she could bring (I love Trickster class and Red Mage multiple adepts too much; she could also represent every other weapon style since her entire gig is running the weapons shop; also Levin Sword and coin projectiles). She'd also be a cool female rep and has a shot at being tenured in future Smash games as she's the only character in the franchise that has a role in [nearly] every game in the series. Her role might also be increasing if any of the post game stuff in Awakening regarding the "Annas" is built up any more.
All this being said, I totally see someone like Chrom, Lucina or Robin happening way before her. The execution between the three could sway me but stand alone, I'm pretty meh about the two "most likelies" and Robin is a coin flip.
Tangent: I remember when I liked the idea of Micaiah being in anything... Then I played Radiant Dawn. Ikestilldabess and Micaiah was annoying as fuuuuuuuuck.
wolf and ike?
I'd throw ice climbers, game and watch and R.O.B out.
theprodigy
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Leave the old ones alone!
But Lucina is already in the game
Well at least who she masqueraded as in the beginning of Awakening
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Chrom with Ike's moveset makes absolutely no sense.
He's neither strong as him nor does his Aether look anything like his.
Don't know why people still think this.
He's neither strong as him nor does his Aether look anything like his.
Don't know why people still think this.
Dimitri LH
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That miiverse post....I cringed.
Yeah, she's in the running too I think.
She's also getting a figma so I assume she's pretty popular in Japan.
Ah, so it's just people's wish lists creeping up when talking about Fire Emblem. I thought people were serious when suggesting some fucking sidekick with a pot on his head, lol.
Btw, I might be in the minority here but I don't want Chrom in this game. I don't want Ike cut and I think three blue-haired sword guys from the same franchise is a bit overkill. Give us a green-haired female magic- or staff user in the next game and we'll talk.
Btw, I might be in the minority here but I don't want Chrom in this game. I don't want Ike cut and I think three blue-haired sword guys from the same franchise is a bit overkill. Give us a green-haired female magic- or staff user in the next game and we'll talk.
Nirvana
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I would likely be happier to see Mewtwo or Meowth replace Lucario. I don't really follow the new Pokemon series', so I'm not sure if Lucario is the new popular Pokemon or something, but those two had a much large influence on my Pokemon experience and I would think, most people's.
As for cuts, I generally agree with the consensus that Lucas, Ike/Marth, Wolf/Falco, Snake and/or R.O.B will be cut. Copies and less popular characters are the most likely candidates, it seems.
As for cuts, I generally agree with the consensus that Lucas, Ike/Marth, Wolf/Falco, Snake and/or R.O.B will be cut. Copies and less popular characters are the most likely candidates, it seems.
My guess would be that they want the non-Marth FE representative to cycle, but they don't want to lose Ike's moveset. Personally I'd like Chrom b/c of recognition but Ike was my main so I want him back as well
Caffeine
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I feel like Rob, Game and watch, Wolf, Falco, Ike, and snake will be thrown out those are just my targets there could be more.
We will probably get sheik and zero suit formes, a few more veterans and 3 more newcomers before the e3 nintendo direct, which will then announce more. Realistically I don't see the roster going past 40 not counting formes.
I mean the game also has to fit on a 3ds cart and it will probably be on eshop below 3.3GBs in size
We will probably get sheik and zero suit formes, a few more veterans and 3 more newcomers before the e3 nintendo direct, which will then announce more. Realistically I don't see the roster going past 40 not counting formes.
I mean the game also has to fit on a 3ds cart and it will probably be on eshop below 3.3GBs in size
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Saw this while just randomly going therough old threads through google+neogaf search (neogaf final fantasy. Neogaf sony e3 2008 etc.)
The Platinum games version is also awesome
fredrancour
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Damn. Lucario really is 2 whole generations of pokemon games old.
The hardest part about dealing with FE is that there's always a new face in the most recent games and you run into the issue of constantly replacing someone when Smash rolls around. Honestly, I'd love it if Sakurai just established a choice two as the main faces for Smash then have the third spot rotate for the new hotness. The problem with this is then we'd either lose Ike or run into "Blue Haired Sword Dude" syndrome more often.
Ike was the main character of a two game spanning arc of Fire Emblem and the first international console game. He also fights in a very distinct manner that shares no overlap with Marth unless you get really anal and mention the two sharing a Down B Counter.
Lucas is a far better Ness. There I said it. He also represents the finale of a much cherished series in the east and one that receives a fair bit of reverence in western circles as well. Beyond sharing a similarly named up B, down B and side smash, how much is cloned between the two?
Wolf has a distinctively feral move set with specials based around similar tech used between pilots in the world of Star Fox. He is also the only antagonist figure that works within the confines of Smash Bros. His only sin is in having a Landmaster when he has never used one IIRC. Falco is a Luigi and makes sense for as much.
ROB is as unique as it gets and represents a pivotal moment in Nintendo's history. Same for Game and Watch.
I don't get why these guys have to be so constantly attacked because they share similarities with another character. Unless Sakurai comes out and specifically mentions that veterans return on promise of their overall popularity or how far removed they are to another character, I feel as though this is just asking for cuts for the sake of cuts.
In the case of Anna and Tiki, they're two of the few recurring characters in a series that doesn't really have recurring characters.
Anna is basically the series mascot. She is the most frequent recurring character who and has a small but different role in each game. If you're familiar with Final Fantasy, she's Fire Emblem's equivalent to Biggs and Wedge.
Tiki is one of the series other recurring characters. She was an important character in the first game and unlike the other characters, she has an extremely long lifespan lasting thousands of years allowing her to appear in multiple games which span multiple time periods.
Anna and Tiki are frequently mentioned because they're retro 8-bit characters who originated on the Famicom and who have continuously appeared in new games across multiple video game generations, which is a common criteria for Smash Bros. characters.
Why in the world would they remove so many characters with unique movesets...?!
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Lucario is like the second mascot of the franchise right behind Pikachu.
Similar to Mewtwo and Meowth for you, he himself had a hand in influencing a new gen of fans when D/P came out on the DS.
Also, Ike is not a copy.
See the thing with Ike's moveset that makes it so enjoyable is how powerful it is.
Chrom never had any indication in Awakening of having that kind of strength.
If he were to be given that moveset, then it would be watered down and less entertaining compared to back in Brawl.
No way they'd get rid of G&W, really unique idea and moveset. ROB is less creative but still deserving as well.
The thing is, if I recall correctly, there's not really anything in the Fire Emblem games that says "Marth is fast and agile" and "Ike is slow and bulky." They're pretty much both just generic lords, same as Chrom.
Shit, man, don't do this to me.
...there's probably people posting on Miiverse who are younger than Lucario, oh god.
Shit, man, don't do this to me.
...there's probably people posting on Miiverse who are younger than Lucario, oh god.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Yeah, makes me feel old.
Just like how Pikachu was the "baby" in Smash Brothers 64, but now he can buy cigarettes.
Agreed, Ike's main characteristic in Brawl was that he was strong and powerful. He's described as wielding a two handed sword with one hand and his moves pack the punch to back up the statement.
Chrom in Awakening feels more like Marth with his sword being strong, but not particularly heavy and putting Ike's moveset on a light sword doesn't give the same impact.
Edit: I agree with your initial statement that putting Chrom with Ike's moveset wouldn't have the same satisfactions as Ike's did and I just think people want to limit the FE reps to 2 while simultaneously cutting and keeping Ike.
MaverickHunterAsh
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Okay. Good to know!
If there's anything that makes me feel old, it's the Halo 3 posts in this thread.
Seriously crazy, I remember the Halo 3 OT when it came out.
Seriously crazy, I remember the Halo 3 OT when it came out.
I really want Sakurai to give Ike his sword wave. Geez the things I'd do for that change alone. It's the difference between me defending Ike's inclusion despite not really touching him and me getting an instant second favorite character.
Just make it a slow grounded projectile like Dante's Drive in Marvel vs. Capcom 3 if you're so scared about it being a full screen KO move.
Shit, man, don't do this to me.
...there's probably people posting on Miiverse who are younger than Lucario, oh god.
One of my favorite things to point out about Smash Bros. is that the joke (and the reference behind it) involving summoning a Goldeen out of a Pokeball during a match is older than a large portion of people playing the game.
It's a visual gag used in the early first season of the Pokemon anime. Misty challenges a trainer to a fight but her Pokemon were increasingly more useless for land based battles eventually leading to her summoning a Goldeen onto dry land that could only flop about.
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It'd be great if Goldeen could attack in the water.
I didn't even know what TYPE Lucario was until I got back into Pokemon X. Has it really been that long? That means gen 3 and behind can be viewed as "Nostalgic"... dammit
Eh, she's more of an easter egg then a mascot. Most of the time, you won't even notice she's there as she's either the tutorial face or a shopkeeper or something. Think it was only in Awakening that she's a proper character.
To be sure, she's in a ton of Awakening DLC so they might be trying to push that angle anyway.
MillionVolts
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Their play styles are more based around the swords they wield. Falchion has always been portrayed as a fairly lightweight sword (since you start the game with it) while Ragnell is the heaviest and most powerful sword you can acquire in Ike's games (and you receive it late into the game).