ShockingAlberto
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Greninja got in.
It's a pretty common feeling at this point that there's a ton of Pokemon and Mewtwo might be overkill.
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Greninja got in.
It's a pretty common feeling at this point that there's a ton of Pokemon and Mewtwo might be overkill.
Beelzebufo
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Marshal isn't the mascot of the series, he's in one game. He's also clearly not one of the Chorus Men. The Chorus Men are in 2 of the 3 RH games (appearing on all the promotional materials for the best selling one) and appear in Wario Ware. Marshal wouldn't make much sense.
The leaks and select screens don't leave room for him, expect him as DLC.
To be fair, we had 6 last time (counting Red's separately). Assuming Jigglypuff comes back (which is pretty much a given, seeing as she's one of the Original 12), Mewtwo would bring the PokeCount up to 6, just like in Brawl. I don't see the big issue.
If we were talking 7+, then I could see the concern.
User 73706
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lolllll
SuperAngelo64
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Clearly not one of the Chorus Men? Do you know what character I'm talking about?
The guy in the middle. He's been in every Rhythm Tengoku/Heaven/Paraside game, he just didn't get a name until the most recent installment.
Literally the only thing they share in common is their neutral B and vague similarities with their foward and up smash (and I am stretching hard to include those)
Sans their Standard B, the two don't play anything alike (Project M proves this, even with the changes they made to both).
If I recall correctly, Mewtwo got screwed over due to time contraints, & Sonic. He was supposed to be in Brawl alongside Lucario.
PadWarrior
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Not a huge mewtwo fan myself but I wouldn't mind if he got in. I think his animations would be amazing in this game. Much rather have him than snake.
ShockingAlberto
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balladofwindfishes
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If Mewtwo and Lucario are clones, than Jigglypuff and Kirby are too.
If anyone "replaced" Mewtwo in Brawl, it was Sonic.
Expected from a Kings fan
RobFox64tm
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I think Mewtwo still has a shot. It's odd that such a notable Pokemon wouldn't make an appearance in the Charizard/Greninja reveal trailer when so many others did. His omission was telling, in my opinion.
Pretty sure sakurai has stated he counts them as different but I might be wrong
Each of Red's Pokemon had dedicated development time, hence why they're being counted as separate characters. Plus Charizard is on his own now, adding to the PokeCount of 6 in Brawl.
So any character with their up special as a recovery, their neutral special as a chargable projectile, and their down and side specials as utility and combo setup is a clone?
I guess we don't need Lucario anymore since we have Zero Suit Samus and Shiek.
Beelzebufo
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No he hasn't. He's not even the night walker. He's only in fever.Clearly not one of the Chorus Men? Do you know what character I'm talking about?
The guy in the middle. He's been in every Rhythm Tengoku/Heaven/Paraside game, he just didn't get a name until the most recent installment.
Even weirder once you realize how much they have been pushing him in X/Y
SuperAngelo64
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It's heavily implied he is the night walker. The GBA sprite was just primitive. Character designs change a lot. It's basically like his 'classic' form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24VFmHOFlko
Having his 'old version' at the beginning of the song and his 'new version' at the end of the song seems like an artistic choice. Even the background stars change from the GBA version to the Wii version.
He's also the only Pokemon besides Charizard to have 2 Mega Evolutions and is a popular Pokemon in general. I'd be surprised if he doesn't show up as DLC if they are in as suggested by the leak.
Beelzebufo
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They're not the same character though, they don't even appear side by side. In any case, he's clearly not one of the Chorus Men, as they appear separately in Fever. He's only in one game, that's why he's not playable.
SuperAngelo64
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How is this guy... (Wii)
...not clearly one of these guys? (DS)
Also, I don't remember Glee Club being in Rhythm Heaven Fever. Was it a cameo or something?
SuperAngelo64
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It's a different installment with an updated design? They have the same :3 face, the same big heads and white bodies, and the same fang teeth when they open their mouthes.
If these were characters from separate franchises it would be a coincidence, but this is clearly a character redesign.
Hyperactivity
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From what I've seen, the removal of the ability to ledge stall is actually one of the most welcome changes in smash4,
NeonZ
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He didn't state that directly, but he has stated that Brawl has 39 characters and also that Melee had 26 characters, which means he was counting the transformations.
It's not really every character ever, although it is every past protagonist and many other characters. It's 10 per game (20 for FE4) + 10 extras spread around the various games. And then there are a few DLC only characters, although most were just alternate versions of characters already in the game.
It's definitely a step towards making it a less defensive game, really nice change.
Not so sure about being able to grab a ledge whilst someone else has it yet though.
or they're new characters based on the same 'species' as the old. I've seen people refer to them as Chorus Kids.
Ah thanks for the clarification on that!
So that settles it, there were 6 Pokemon in Brawl.
Damn straight
That's why i'm not too plussed about Smash IV's balanced. Regardless of what happens, it will be more competitive than Brawl.
Not like that's hard lol! Honestly character balance is the thing I'm the least worried about. Everything seems to be in flux in that regard so no use thinking about it now.
SuperAngelo64
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Beelzebufo
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Because they're different characters. They have superficial similarities, but they're clearly not the same. A Chorus Kid appears in Munchy Monk. They also appear in Game and Wario, so Marshal isn't an updated design lol. All you need to know is you're wrong, "Chorus Men" doesn't mean marshal. He won't he playable.How is this guy... (Wii)
...not clearly one of these guys? (DS)
Also, I don't remember Glee Club being in Rhythm Heaven Fever. Was it a cameo or something?
There are degrees of "more competitive than Brawl" though and as it stands it's still quite a defensive game, with there being at least 3 simple things that help without affecting casuals negatively and 1 not so simple thing that requires changing the engine slightly but isn't as important.
If smash 4 had dash dancing, a way to reduce aerial lag (either automatic or reducing it on hit, nothing that requires an extra input) and crouch cancelling for dashes, you'd have a lot more people excited about it.
Oh, and getting rid of that awful ten frame buffer would be great too when not playing online but I'm not too hopeful for that.
Yesss. Back to full hype mode then. I guess I needed something to complain about after Nintendo's fantastic E3 showing. October can't come soon enough and hopefully I'll be a better member of Smash-gaf than I was of Mario Kart 7-GAF
SuperAngelo64
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I mean, I know the majority of the world is left-brained.... but this is a serious case of not seeing the forest for the trees.
He even wears the black bowtie in Munchy Monk... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qv5CdfzWAY
His eyes and mouth do the same reaction as 'Together Now!" in Glee Club...
He even wears the black bowtie in Munchy Monk... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qv5CdfzWAY
His eyes and mouth do the same reaction as 'Together Now!" in Glee Club...
IntelliHeath
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I know you were but I didn't explain very well on my point. I was trying to get clarification on all characters being in the game. I swore there are only few returning characters in FE:A in the game. I have the game but it's still wrapped tho. I'm glad that there are more than just few returning characters in that game. I need to finish Xenoblade first!
I think it's easier to cope with it now than waiting until release day which would make it even more bittersweet. So I'm going with my stance that he's out for good. If he got in then I will be happy as fuck.
Agreed but it wouldn't be stopped any time soon.
Gorgeous but all these mockups with boring ol' Chrom in and without Lucas and Takamaru in the main squad make me sad face like no other.
Same here. RIP Takamaru. I thought he had better chance to be playable after got in 4 games.
It would be very interesting if it happened.
Oh no worries, I know about that
To be honest, i'm not expecting much, and i'll be content with whatever Sakurai puts out
Geminosity
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Y'know, I always wondered how putting a set of glasses on superman made people not recognise him, or how Sailor moon's tiny mask's somehow protected their identity... after seeing these argument about what amounts to Marshall wearing a bowtie I suddenly feel enlightened 
I like playing someone who looks/acts as cheeky/mischevious as I feel. Inklings have the sass I need :3
I like playing someone who looks/acts as cheeky/mischevious as I feel. Inklings have the sass I need :3
Is it possible to argue that night walker is the same person as chorus kid, if not just a lower fidelity version of him?
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