You completely missed OT1-OT7 then
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 9: F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5
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You completely missed OT1-OT7 then
Playing All-star in mode in Brawl once again, and I can't help appreciate the battle arrangement this time around. I used to hate the fixed ordering before because I prefer random battles against all characters, but looking it right now, wow Sakurai really did use the All-star mode to pay tribute to gaming history. I wouldn't mind if this is the case again in Smash 4.
You'll select Snake on the character select screen but after a few seconds of playing as him he automatically switches to Raiden.
MGS2 style!
Well he did explain that in the Dojo and after a while I found the fixed order got boring. Tribute is all well and good but it would be nice if he mixed things up a bit again.
With regards to Fire Emblem, I'd have nothing against Lyn or Hector, but that ship has sailed it seems. What's more, Fire Emblem has now reached the point where any further additions really should be made playable with the idea of being tenured through future Smash games. Marth and Ike are pretty awesome choices for being the most insanely popular two lords of two different eras of FE and for being built with two very different fighting styles in mind but in all reality, the third spot should have really gone to someone who differentiates themselves wildly from the lord archetype and highlights different aspects of the world of FE.
Anna was my pick simply because she has such a highly contrasted role versus the lords (a simple shopkeeper/reporter as per Awakening's revelation of the Anna lineage) and had a presence no matter how small through nearly every release in the franchise. She could have been a character who represented the franchise's wealth of combatants and weaponry by being its "Jill of All Trades" using the various swords, knives, tomes and staves she could use in Awakening. Interestingly enough, her trademark weapon the Levin Sword (as in the one she's pictured with in most of her concept art) is a sword she uses to cast lightning blasts about the stage, subverting even the idea that she'd just be another sword person. Robin/Tactician was another great choice simply because focusing more on ranged magic and tomes with a "magic rogue" or "red mage" kind of spin would have generated another style that was very visually distinct with a character that stood out versus Marth and Ike.
Moving on to Kid Icarus, Palutena's a great addition, but I do feel like it'd have been cool to get a god(dess) and an antagonist from the Kid Icarus series and since I'm an old fart, I prefer Medusa over Hades since the two contrast each other well and complete the trio of characters that started the series. If Kid Icarus got a fourth character down the line, Hades would be the uncontested best pick.
Anna was my pick simply because she has such a highly contrasted role versus the lords (a simple shopkeeper/reporter as per Awakening's revelation of the Anna lineage) and had a presence no matter how small through nearly every release in the franchise. She could have been a character who represented the franchise's wealth of combatants and weaponry by being its "Jill of All Trades" using the various swords, knives, tomes and staves she could use in Awakening. Interestingly enough, her trademark weapon the Levin Sword (as in the one she's pictured with in most of her concept art) is a sword she uses to cast lightning blasts about the stage, subverting even the idea that she'd just be another sword person. Robin/Tactician was another great choice simply because focusing more on ranged magic and tomes with a "magic rogue" or "red mage" kind of spin would have generated another style that was very visually distinct with a character that stood out versus Marth and Ike.
Moving on to Kid Icarus, Palutena's a great addition, but I do feel like it'd have been cool to get a god(dess) and an antagonist from the Kid Icarus series and since I'm an old fart, I prefer Medusa over Hades since the two contrast each other well and complete the trio of characters that started the series. If Kid Icarus got a fourth character down the line, Hades would be the uncontested best pick.
DICKS AHOY
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Have different fights in All-Star mode that can be mixed-up in any order (as long as you don't wind up fighting a character twice) but still serve as references or obvious themes, so it's like a mini-Event Mode that's not the same thing every time.
Stuff like having all previous Mario villains in one fight, or all 3rd parties, or Wario/Pit/Samus grouped together, or Yoshi/Pac/Kirby, or Mario/DK/Link/Olimar, or the reincarnation of Demise who was essentially the god of evil paired up with the Goddess of Light... There's a lot of clever matchups they could have which would be too simplistic to have as regular Event Modes.
Or they could just have it purely randomised again like Melee, whateves.
Beelzebufo
Banned
If Kid Icarus gets another game (or two!) before the next Smash game, I could definitely see another character. Hades seems like the obvious choice, since Medusa is basically a nonentity in Uprising. Also, maybe I missed something, but isn't Hades pretty much universally agreed to be one of the best characters in Uprising, while Medusa is considered one of the worst? The only problem with Hades getting in would be:
1. He's a one-and-done villain (new KI project head doesn't even try to replicate that level of dialogue again, and goes for a different style of main boss guy)
2. There's no new Kid Icarus game.
Sakurai doesn't have any problem giving us a bajillion items and Smash Run enemies, but three characters, even as DLC, is a lot for a series with only three games (and only one in the past 20 years). I suppose the series does have the advantage of having tons of possible characters (more like Star Fox than Pikmin in that sense), but I don't think that's enough. As long as we only have those three games, Pit and Palutena are the obvious choices. Adding Hades before Palutena would be like adding Ganondorf before Zelda.
I am legitimately excited to see how Hades shows up though. Palutena is playable, Viridi is part of a stage, Dark Pit is a costume (?), Magnus and freaking Phosphora of all people are ATs, so maybe we'll see a few more ATs from KI? Maybe one will be Hades? Maybe he'll be a Smash Run boss? Maybe there will be an Underworld stage, where he just talks the whole time?
1. He's a one-and-done villain (new KI project head doesn't even try to replicate that level of dialogue again, and goes for a different style of main boss guy)
2. There's no new Kid Icarus game.
Sakurai doesn't have any problem giving us a bajillion items and Smash Run enemies, but three characters, even as DLC, is a lot for a series with only three games (and only one in the past 20 years). I suppose the series does have the advantage of having tons of possible characters (more like Star Fox than Pikmin in that sense), but I don't think that's enough. As long as we only have those three games, Pit and Palutena are the obvious choices. Adding Hades before Palutena would be like adding Ganondorf before Zelda.
I am legitimately excited to see how Hades shows up though. Palutena is playable, Viridi is part of a stage, Dark Pit is a costume (?), Magnus and freaking Phosphora of all people are ATs, so maybe we'll see a few more ATs from KI? Maybe one will be Hades? Maybe he'll be a Smash Run boss? Maybe there will be an Underworld stage, where he just talks the whole time?
I don't get the interest with Anna or even Robin, but I'm can't be objective since Awakening is a weak entry is the serie. Robin could be a good counterpart to Zelda (magic + sword)but he's nothing but blank to me.
Rekka no Ken aka Fire Emblem is the first FE game released worldwide so it's maybe the most renowned of them. The game is flawless, 3 great Lord. But since the Blue Lord /w Sword gate (Marth/Ike/Chrom), I just hope Sakurai will think about it ... one day.
Oh, and I hope the game will have a lot of diversity in term of 1 playee game mode because MK8 is already boring... Even online...
Rekka no Ken aka Fire Emblem is the first FE game released worldwide so it's maybe the most renowned of them. The game is flawless, 3 great Lord. But since the Blue Lord /w Sword gate (Marth/Ike/Chrom), I just hope Sakurai will think about it ... one day.
Oh, and I hope the game will have a lot of diversity in term of 1 playee game mode because MK8 is already boring... Even online...
Beelzebufo
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Weak entry or not, Awakening is pretty much the only reason Fire Emblem wasn't cancelled, right? Seems like that merits a character alone.
I can get those (especially Robin), the character I don't get why people adore is Tharja. I mean she's an alright character and all, but it seems like some people act like she's the greatest character in the game. I still haven't fully completed the story, but I have no idea why that's a thing unless she has some serious development later on I'm missing.
I got her to marry Libra. I liked how different they were, and they ended up fitting pretty well once Libra's darkness was discovered. Apparently she said she's still obsessed with my avatar though, even though I don't think he's had one support conversation with her.
No way my avatar was gonna marry anyone else other than Lucina. She dat prime.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
FYI outside of Link and some victory tunes, I don't really hear recycled audio clips. Hell, Kirby and Pikachu got new ones!
This is not an excuse, the game have many many more ads than the other entry, the 3DS is on a cloud, Intelligent System fans deserve (an Advance Wars game) more than a boring shounen storyline game T-RPG. And we deserve Lucina aka Trunks instead of Chrom haha.
Tharja is sooooooooooo lame, she's just light weared (and talking sh#its) so some Husubando gone wild... Even if I married her, I secretly love Sully but I was young, etc...
I don't think it's going to happen. He clashes with the game's art style a little too much.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
You know, this post and that post from the other Smash thread isn't helping me think positive of AW fans.
And yes, IS is making a new game, but it's not AW. Gotta live with it.
I don't think there's any merit to that at all. If characters like Ike's updated design and Shiek can work, Snake can work just fine. Plus Sakurai said him feeling like an outsider was one of his favorite parts about including him in Brawl.
ShockingAlberto
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Am I living in some universe where FE games aren't usually shounen storylines
Whelp. I thought the biggest barrier stopping Snake was having a celebrity voice actor. Even if Ground Zeroes was Big Boss, iirc, guess it's time to say bye to Snake's chances.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I think the idea is that it's better to include a character that the most number of people will actually recognize, which is definitely a character from Awakening.
Like, if you're an old Fire Emblem fan, you have Marth and Ike. If you're one of the newer Fire Emblem fans who helped save the series, there's a character that you like too. And there's probably a lot more people in that last group than there are in the first one, and it's hard for someone to become invested in Ike when PoR is like $70.
Yes, but their colors are much more bright and flashy than Snake (also they are putting more emphasis on cooler colors, like the blues). Snake has a dark grey coloring that I think would make him stick out like a sore thumb. I'd be glad to see him in, I just don't think it's gonna happen.
You realize Roy is MUCH more hated in the FE community than Chrom (at least Chrom has the appeal of being the only normal guy in a team of weirdos, and was pretty good in the field). Plus Lyn is already an assist trophy.Hi, I'm new on GAF, even if I spend so many time reading you through the shadowit's my first post, please understand. (Not English native speaker)
Speaking of newcomers I'm not very happy with Palutena and Chrom to be in if the leak is true.
Hades is my favourite bad guy in Shin Hikari Shinwa/ Uprising, and Smash 4 needs more antagonist character... He's charismatic, funny and his chara design is soooo good.
And in an other hand, Chrom is not a good character in Kakusei/ Awakening (storytelling-wise), most of this FE cast was garbage IMHO the only one I should keep is Lucina.
Smash needs Lyndis/Roy/Hector or the Sacred Stone male twin.
Oh, Goemon and Bomberman could be amazing newcomers too, but I reject the Belmont option even if he make waaaay more sense than Snake.
Also, we already have our fill of third parties.
Neoriceisgood
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Tell that to the electro plankton stage in Brawl.
I highly doubt that would do anything to effect Snake's chances. An M rated game is an M rated game, and villains are gonna villain. In MGS4 Liquid Ocelot massacred an entire fleet of innocent defenseless soldiers. Guess who still made it into Brawl?
I just think that particular reason is silly. If Sakurai wants him to fit, he will fit. Even if he purposely makes him stand out, like he attempted to do in Brawl.
I'm not a AW fan, sorry if I sound like that.
Somewhere I know that but I can't handle it, anyway I can't do anything else but pray... Plus, female FE character are the think I miss the more.
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What in the ..! I meaned Eliwood, Roy was nothing special to me except a clone, and I DO hate Melee clones too!
Beelzebufo
Banned
Yeah, even once you get down to an Awakening character there's still a bit of debate on who it should be. I think Lucina could still show up in one of Chrom's attacks though. Robin and Chrom are both arguably the main characters of Awakening, and Chrom just seems like the easier of the two to do right, considering all of Robin's customization options (even though we have Villager).
But I mean, an Awakening character is a no brainer. I'd guess that most Fire Emblem fans have only ever played Awakening at this point.
Much better than a one-shot character from a game that some people might have bought years ago because it looked like Roy was on the cover.
MyFinestHour
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Or just blocked them out, more likely. TooBigotry gets quite old after awhile.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I wonder what Sakurai's actual reason for always making Ridley a boss over playable is.
I just stumbled upon the website of EVO since it is fast approaching, and noticed that Nintendo is part of the sponsors.
http://evo.shoryuken.com/
Is this because Melee is part of the lineup that the company logo is placed there or is it because they helped with the funds for the said event? Just curious.
http://evo.shoryuken.com/
Is this because Melee is part of the lineup that the company logo is placed there or is it because they helped with the funds for the said event? Just curious.
Paging Jason Schreier.
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It's a shame that if there's a third FE character they'll go with someone from Awakening like Chrom or Lucina. Sakurai/Nintendo kinda missed an opportunity with Brawl to introduce Ephraim as a spear-wielder. His Awakening redesign is pretty boss too:
oh, and replying to Boss Doggie's post on my suggestion to have the AW main cast on a tank as a playable character from the other thread in here:
I wouldn't mind this but having three characters on a tank would make for great animations. Plus, I prefer the characters at least to be somewhat visually consistent.
oh, and replying to Boss Doggie's post on my suggestion to have the AW main cast on a tank as a playable character from the other thread in here:
I wouldn't mind this but having three characters on a tank would make for great animations. Plus, I prefer the characters at least to be somewhat visually consistent.
PadWarrior
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Keep an eye on this thread: http://smashboards.com/threads/gett...ld-demo-next-week.359765/page-2#post-17015108
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I doubt we'd see something new.
Hell, that thread nearly believed Ganondorf being confirmed and believes about Chunky Kong assist trophy being real.
Rekka no Ken/Blazing Sword is my favourite FE game (and one of my favourite games of all time), and Lyn is my favourite Lord, but I think at this point it's not reasonable to assume they've got any sort of good chance of being viable candidates as Smash characters anymore. It's been too long, and no matter your or my personal feelings on how good the game was, I really don't think the mainstream would agree with your assessment that it's the 'most renowned'. It's good to be realistic about things sometimes, and Lyn's already been an assist for two games straight. I think that's the closest she'll ever get to a mainstream Smash game's stage.
And I feel like I've been repeating myself a lot on this subject (I should just copy and paste something at this point, lol), Anna doesn't really win points because of Awakening itself, she wins points because of pretty much every single other game in the series. She's one of the constants of the franchise, and effectively the unofficial mascot of the series for that reason. She's a pretty effective catch-all representative of FE as a whole (where Roy, Ike, and arguably Marth were more singular representatives of their respective games), and therefore can borrow from FE as a whole in terms of diversifying her moveset. And as Azure mentioned, she also acts as a pretty handy representative of the aspects of FE that Smash doesn't do a great job representing.
And aside from her own qualities as a fighter (a 'trickster' fighting with a backhanded sword, stave, and tomes if you wanted to push it), her role as a merchant puts an interesting angle on what she could look like as a character, conceivably having access to every single weapon and item in the game. There's just... a lot of material for Anna. More than most FE characters.
In short, there's a lot of reasons why Anna makes sense as a Smash representative, and in any case, I certainly see her as much more likely than most non-Lord or GBA-era characters, and would much prefer to see her over Lucina as she would, gender-aside, just be yet another blue-haired sword-lord.
I'm not totally enamoured by Robin, but strictly from a moveset standpoint, s/he's a tome user character when all the other representatives of the FE have just been sword users, and tome magic would obviously do a lot to distinguish them from the existing roster and I'd be cool with them for that reason. All the more so if gender were toggleable.
The key here is really diversity within the context of Smash's existing roster, when it comes to what I actually want to see. I still think it's ridiculous that FE has no female representative when it's historically had some of Nintendo's best female characters, and the series insofar as Smash can do a lot better than a narrow criteria of 'blue guy with a sword'.
PadWarrior
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I know we aren't seeing anything new. But it's another impression thread from a different person. Could be a good read.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Wait, seriously? That was just some crazy dude. And Ganondorf was like the fakest thing ever.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Yeaaaaaah, impressions from the same demo will net nothing for me.
SliceSabre
Banned
I think its moreso there are two Fire Emblem camps when it comes to Awakening:
The people who deride it as waifu-filled cash in that doesn't deserve the name Fire Emblem name and hate everything about it.
And those who enjoy the game and are happy it was successful so that Nintendo didn't axe the series like they were originally planning to if it wasn't successful.
Spring-Loaded
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Which waifus are we talking about here
SliceSabre
Banned
Who cares about waifus? I married Chrom in my last playthrough of that game. 
Anywho. I'm still on the Chrom in Smash boat either way though I would like to see Robin as well considering moveset customization. The biggest problem I have with Robin is the fact that Robin is a create-a-character, though considering Villager that's not the big problem if done right.
Anywho. I'm still on the Chrom in Smash boat either way though I would like to see Robin as well considering moveset customization. The biggest problem I have with Robin is the fact that Robin is a create-a-character, though considering Villager that's not the big problem if done right.
SenorArdilla
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Hazubandos and waifus.
MyFinestHour
Banned
Probably the same reason we always get two Links, why Ganondorf is always Captain Ganondorf, why the Mother kids borrow moves that aren't theirs, and why Toad is eternally confined to Peach's dress. . .Sakurai's "fine personal criteria."
Once he leaves and someone else takes over as director, these things will probably shift around somewhat.
Beelzebufo
Banned
But there are two Links because both Link and Toon Link are important Nintendo characters, and Ganondorf is a Falcon clone in Brawl because Sakurai didn't want to alienate fans who used him in Melee. The Mother kids borrow moves because it allows for a more interesting moveset. None of that stuff has anything to do with Ridley.
Also, Sakurai is like the only person working at Nintendo right now who likes the Kremlings, so you better hope he sticks around.
BassForever
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Because Sakurai
SenorArdilla
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Sakurai has always done whatever he wants.
He didn't bother adding in Meta Knight and Dedede until Brawl because he was being modest. Villager was deemed unusable because Sakurai couldn't see them fighting. Ganondorf was only in Melee because he had a similar build to Captain Falcon (this was the major reason he was in the game in the first place). Sakurai stated that he didn't want to alienate any fans who chose Ganondorf from the transition between Melee to Brawl so he keep the moveset mostly the same. And yet he's completely revamped the attacks of Bowser, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, and a few others in SSB4.
He didn't bother adding in Meta Knight and Dedede until Brawl because he was being modest. Villager was deemed unusable because Sakurai couldn't see them fighting. Ganondorf was only in Melee because he had a similar build to Captain Falcon (this was the major reason he was in the game in the first place). Sakurai stated that he didn't want to alienate any fans who chose Ganondorf from the transition between Melee to Brawl so he keep the moveset mostly the same. And yet he's completely revamped the attacks of Bowser, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, and a few others in SSB4.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Aren't there older FE games that pretty much are "let's get married and bear children through social interaction" too
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