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[Finale Fireworker]

Yeah. Everything about him is sloppy, from his footwork to his form. You know, even his air weakness is a bit extreme. Swinging can still result in a strong punch, it's really more because of how easy it is to see coming and avoid than generally being weaker than a punch from weight shifting. He's not faithful to boxing at all.

Which is OK! Fictional character in a Nintendo all star fighting game and all. It's just that as a boxer myself it hit me pretty hard when I saw him at first haha.

I get where you're coming from. Punch Out!! isn't really a boxing game. It's a rhythm puzzler. Little Mac doesn't even move his feet in that game, so any form implemented into Smash is improvised. Taking cues from actual boxing to supplement his motion was obviously not part of the vision.

 

[SmithnCo]

Wario's bike is amazing. The PM side B can burn, what a spammy move in FFA.

There's always custom moves though, I wonder how they would change up the bike for that.

 

[Dimitri LH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm3DY2aS_kk

 

[Finale Fireworker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm3DY2aS_kk

This is the one millionth time this has been posted. But I still watch it every time.

 

[Luqi]

Holy fuck, new thread already?

 

[JoeInky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm3DY2aS_kk

Can we stop posting this now?

It was annoying after the 3rd time, nevermind the 12th.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I get where you're coming from. Punch Out!! isn't really a boxing game. It's a rhythm puzzler. Little Mac doesn't even move his feet in that game, so any form implemented into Smash is improvised. Taking cues from actual boxing to supplement his motion was obviously not part of the vision.

Yeah it's why I'm fine with his moveset. I love Punch Out!

Admittedly I wanted Mac more to have a boxer in Smash than a Punch Out representative lol

 

[C.Olimar788]

What Wario needs is his bike as his forward-B and his shoulder charge as his neutral-B. That way we can have the best of both worlds - and I'm relatively sure no one will miss his Brawl neutral-B, haha.

 

[OricWindstar]

Can we stop posting this now?

It was annoying after the 3rd time, nevermind the 12th.

How dare he not check every post in every thread to make sure it hasn't been posted yet.

 

[Ahnez]

I'd imagine even the sword fighters aren't representative of the real thing either.

Yeah.. Launching things with sword slashes is pretty strange to think about lol

 

[SmithnCo]

What Wario needs is his bike as his forward-B and his shoulder charge as his neutral-B. That way we can have the best of both worlds - and I'm relatively sure no one will miss his Brawl neutral-B, haha.

They could also make him run forward a bit more on his forward smash.

 

[Dimitri LH]

Geez ill PM the link next time...GAF getting sensitive over nothing lately. -_-

 

[JoeInky]

How dare he not check every post in every thread to make sure it hasn't been posted yet.

Exactly.

What Wario needs is his bike as his forward-B and his shoulder charge as his neutral-B. That way we can have the best of both worlds - and I'm relatively sure no one will miss his Brawl neutral-B, haha.

Why would you want a character with 2 specials that perform largely the same function.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Can we stop posting this now?

It was annoying after the 3rd time, nevermind the 12th.

It was relevant to the discussion. It's not like he was the one posting it all those times.

 

[Platy]

15 pages already ???

We will reach OT 20 by the time the game launches =P

 

[Spinosaurus]

What Wario needs is his bike as his forward-B and his shoulder charge as his neutral-B. That way we can have the best of both worlds - and I'm relatively sure no one will miss his Brawl neutral-B, haha.

I will! I love the Bite for punishing approaches.

I really don't want any of his moveset changed lol. I'd be ok with the shoulder bash as a dash attack, but the same time base stealing Wario is just too charming...so I guess I'm fine with it as an FSmash. At least it looks like he's dashing when charging it.

 

[JoeInky]

It was relevant to the discussion. It's not like he was the one posting it all those times.

I wouldn't be surprised if people posted the same link multiple times, I could have swore I saw padwarrior post a link to that wario rumour thread three separate times.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

What Wario needs is his bike as his forward-B and his shoulder charge as his neutral-B. That way we can have the best of both worlds - and I'm relatively sure no one will miss his Brawl neutral-B, haha.

Aren't neutral B's supposed to be stationary though? Having two B attacks that move forward the character forward would be weird.

 

[OricWindstar]

Geez ill PM the link next time...GAF getting sensitive over nothing lately. -_-

It's getting annoying. Everyone is so quick to attack people lately.

 

[DaBoss]

One should include in their post what their link leads to, but you could just close the tab immediately either way and move on with your life...

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I wouldn't be surprised if people posted the same link multiple times, I could have swore I saw padwarrior post a link to that wario rumour thread three separate times.

Contact a mod if you find it to be that big a problem. Until then, the steering wheel you're using in the backseat isn't actually real.

 

[Spinluck]

The bike was one of his best moves and made his defensive playstyle that much better. It also gave him a solid keepaway game with the tires. The bike's utility is amazing.

I don't want it to go.

I had no clue about this.

I was always under the impression that competitive players hated it.

 

[Berordn]

Aren't neutral B's supposed to be stationary though? Having two B attacks that move forward the character forward would be weird.

Rollout disagrees.

They normally are, but it's not unheard of.

 

[Dimitri LH]

Reason I respect the Wario Bike is because I saw the normal lvl9 A.I. set up a 70-ish percent combo with the bike throws....my jaw dropped. My friend tried to recreate it but never could.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Aren't neutral B's supposed to be stationary though? Having two B attacks that move forward the character forward would be weird.

Jigglypuff, Sonic, Metaknight (to an extent) all spring to mind as characters with both forward-moving neutral B's and several (I think all of them in Sonic's case) specials that aren't stationary.

The Wario Bike is great, but I don't think making Wario's neutral B a proper shoulder barge is going to make it all that redundant. The former's main asset is it gives Wario an extra jump and some projectiles when he crashes it, while they can just balance his barge so it doesn't immediately clear as much ground as his bike does. Don't see why the bite wouldn't work as a side Smash either.

 

[JoeInky]

One should include in their post what their link leads to, but you could just close the tab immediately either way and move on with your life...

This, it's already bad enough that I'm having to use the shittiest laptop known to man, nevermind when I click on a mystery link, watch the browser freeze for ten seconds, wait for the tab to load because I'm at the very end of the router range, see that it's the same video again, close it and then wait another 10 seconds whilst the browser is frozen.

 

[PadWarrior]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm3DY2aS_kk

LOL awesome.

 

[C.Olimar788]

They could also make him run forward a bit more on his forward smash.

How would that be any better than what Brawl has? It's a decent enough reference, sure, but having an actual shoulder bash that works like it does in the Wario Land games (ala PM) is much more fun.

Why would you want a character with 2 specials that perform largely the same function.

That's like saying that Link's Arrows and Boomerang perform largely the same function because they're both projectiles. Hell, they could take Wario and adjust him to be a strong, mobility-centered character - he already has two specials in Brawl that move him around quickly, and his air speed would make for a compliment to that playstyle.

I will! I love the Bite for punishing approaches.

I really don't want any of his moveset changed lol. I'd be ok with the shoulder bash as a dash attack, but the same time base stealing Wario is just too charming...so I guess I'm fine with it as an FSmash. At least it looks like he's dashing when charging it.

The shoulder bash could make a decent dash attack too - just make it a bit special so that you can jump out of it and I would be pretty happy!

 

[IntelliHeath]

Wario's bike is amazing. The PM side B can burn, what a spammy move in FFA.

Wario's Side B in PM is the worst thing ever in FFAs.

Hahahaha.

Sorry, I can't resist to post that.

It's getting annoying. Everyone is so quick to attack people lately.

People need to chill out and enjoy the scene before the game is coming out!

 

[JStein0222]

Reason I respect the Wario Bike is because I saw the normal lvl9 A.I. set up a 70-ish percent combo with the bike throws....my jaw dropped. My friend tried to recreate it but never could.

This was in Brawl!? My level 9s in Brawl could never haha

 

[Mr. Smiley]

Rollout disagrees.

They normally are, but it's not unheard of.

I always forget about Jigglypuff. But even then, technically, you charge it's attack which starts out stationary. I suppose the same could happen with Wario, but I had P:M's version in mind as an example.

Jigglypuff, Sonic, Metaknight (to an extent) all spring to mind as characters with both forward-moving neutral B's and several (I think all of them in Sonic's case) specials that aren't stationary.

Right and again, they all start off stationary. My fault though as I was using P:M's version as an example.

 

[Dimitri LH]

This was in Brawl!? My level 9s in Brawl could never haha

Thats what made my jaw drop...shit was insane.

 

[Qurupeke]

It's getting annoying. Everyone is so quick to attack people lately.

Chorus Kids are like the apple of discord for SmashGAF. They're evil.

 

[DaBoss]

This, it's already bad enough that I'm having to use the shittiest laptop known to man, nevermind when I click on a mystery link, watch the browser freeze for ten seconds, wait for the tab to load because I'm at the very end of the router range, see that it's the same video again, close it and then wait another 10 seconds whilst the browser is frozen.

That is unfortunate that you're on a poor laptop, but you could have asked for people to include what the link leads to and explain your situation in the first place.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I had no clue about this.

I was always under the impression that competitive players hated it.

It's the reason why he was 3rd in the tier list at one point actually. At least from what I remember.

It's really more useful in specific situations and match ups, but what it does it does it really good. You should watch Gluttony play, his Bike techniques can be pretty amazing.

 

[Ahnez]

What is the problem with the bike?

 

[JStein0222]

Thats what made my jaw drop...shit was insane.

That's sick! I'm hoping Amiibos really lend themselves to being tougher CPUs...Of course I just can't get used to the idea of having functioning online lol

 

[SmithnCo]

How would that be any better than what Brawl has? It's a decent enough reference, sure, but having an actual shoulder bash that works like it does in the Wario Land games (ala PM) is much more fun.

I wouldn't mind it as a custom move. I just prefer the bike for the funny visual and the crazy things you could pull off with it.

 

[JoeInky]

That's like saying that Link's Arrows and Boomerang perform largely the same function because they're both projectiles. Hell, they could take Wario and adjust him to be a strong, mobility-centered character - he already has two specials in Brawl that move him around quickly, and his air speed would make for a compliment to that playstyle.

I used to play (toon) Link a lot and his boomerang and arrows served very different purposes when I played him, I can't see the PM shoulder tackle and Bike being different enough to warrant having both of them.

 

[C.Olimar788]

What is the problem with the bike?

Nothing, it's just that the shoulder charge is cooler and more iconic. If there was an option to have both - like I was suggesting earlier in making the shoulder charge a neutral special - I would take it in a heartbeat. But if it was one or the other, well... it's gotta be the shoulder charge!

Spoiler

And this is coming from someone who vastly prefers the WarioWare games to the Wario Lands.

 

[PadWarrior]

Man I need some new footage. Preferably of Pit.

 

[Dimitri LH]

This, it's already bad enough that I'm having to use the shittiest laptop known to man, nevermind when I click on a mystery link, watch the browser freeze for ten seconds, wait for the tab to load because I'm at the very end of the router range, see that it's the same video again, close it and then wait another 10 seconds whilst the browser is frozen.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362171 This should help a bit....

 

[Troubled Bat]

Geez ill PM the link next time...GAF getting sensitive over nothing lately. -_-

Now you're calling Us SENSITIVE!!? UGH!

 

[JoeInky]

I'm surprised there's barely any new footage so far, I need muh frame analysis' of the landing lag to see if it has been reduced.

 

[SmithnCo]

Thats what made my jaw drop...shit was insane.

The Brawl AI could learn to do a bunch of crazy stuff right? I hope you can teach things to the amiibos in a similar way.

 

[Spinluck]

Yeah.. Launching things with sword slashes is pretty strange to think about lol

:lol

This, it's already bad enough that I'm having to use the shittiest laptop known to man, nevermind when I click on a mystery link, watch the browser freeze for ten seconds, wait for the tab to load because I'm at the very end of the router range, see that it's the same video again, close it and then wait another 10 seconds whilst the browser is frozen.

Yeah, I agree with you.

Never change Joe, we need some grouches in here to balance out the happiness.

 

[JoeInky]

Never change Joe, we need some grouches in here to balance out the happiness.

I've tried not being grouchy, I don't rate it.


I've also been having to deal with shitty little spoiled bloody kids today as well so I'm even worse, if you can even imagine such a thing.

 

[Kjellson]

Actually, now when I think about it, I don't think we'll get a veteran tomorrow.

Oh well.

 

[Dimitri LH]

Now you're calling Us SENSITIVE!!? UGH!

Batty Pls <3

The Brawl AI could learn to do a bunch of crazy stuff right? I hope you can teach things to the amiibos in a similar way.

I am kind of hopeful that amiibos will bring something new to the table.

 

[Red Arremer]

Wario's bike is amazing. The PM side B can burn, what a spammy move in FFA.

One of the main reasons I don't like PM, since Wario would be my go-to character. The fact they also changed the obvious playstyle of characters such as him annoys me to no end.

There's always custom moves though, I wonder how they would change up the bike for that.

Well they could change attributes such as speed, damage, knockback, but also the "health" of the vehicle, as well as its size and how many throwable pieces it leaves behind.

A possibility would be, for instance, for the bike to turn into one of the big purple cars Wario likes to drive, which is bigger than the bike, has more damage/knockback, but accelerates and turns slower, and leaves 4 tires behind upon being destroyed.
Another one could be him actually not getting any vehicle at all, and instead doing his Wario Land-style shoulder charge. It of course wouldn't have the speed, power or travel distance of the bike, but wouldn't need to "recharge" upon use/destruction.