I think simplifying Nana's AI or maybe making her 30 FPS would be better than removing her entirely - the fact that the two of them are together is what makes them unique.When Mii Fighters are turned on, there are four spots left for character icons. I think it'd be cool if they brought back Lucas, Wolf, Mewtwo and Ice Climbers at some point.
They'd have to significantly change Ice Climbers to get them to work within the RAM restrictions; probably simplify Nana's AI to something like Luma or an AT, or perhaps make Popo a single "Ice Climber" with new moves like the Condor, and make Nana an alt.
As others have noted, the existing trophies for them can simply be amended to be "Wolf (Assault)" and so on and so forth, like in Brawl.
Pink Gold Ridley? Did they actually crack a joke about that?
Other Update from our Artist, Quas-Quas!
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I had posted this yesterday. You're behind the times, man.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129794501&postcount=325
Battlefield
-SSB4 Main Theme (New)
-SSBM Menu Theme (Brawl)
Final Destination
-SSB4 Theme Arrangement 1 (New)
-SSB4 Theme Arrangement 2 (New)
3D Land
-3D Land Main Theme/Beach Theme (New)
-SMB3 Medley (New)
Rainbow Road
-Rainbow Road Handheld Medley (New)
-Rainbow Road MK7 (Original?)
Golden Plains
-NSMB Athletic Theme (New)
-SMB Medley (New)
Paper Mario
-Try Try Again (New)
-Paper Mario Medley (New)
Mushroomy Kingdom (Brawl)
-SMB Ground Theme (Brawl)
-SMB Underground Theme (Brawl)
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)
-Obstacle Course (Brawl)
-Yoshi's Story Ending (Brawl)
Jungle Japes (Melee)
-Jungle Japes (Melee)
-Gear Getaway (New)
Gameboy Dreamland
-Kirby's Dreamland Medley (Original*)
-Green Greens Ver. 2 (New)
Magicant
-Eight Melodies (New)
-Smiles and Tears (New)
Mute City
-Mute City Theme (New)
-Mute City Theme SNES (Original)
Corneria (Melee)
-Corneria (Melee)
-Star Wolf Theme (New)
Brinstar (Melee)
-Brinstar (Melee)
-Brinstar Depths (Melee)
Prism Tower
-X&Y Trainer Battle (New)
-Lumiose City (Original)
Unova Pokemon League
-N's Castle Theme? (New)
-Vs Reshiram/Zekrom (New)
Gerudo Valley
-Gerudo Valley Theme (New)
-Ocarina of Time Medley (Brawl)
Spirit Train
-Full Steam Ahead (New)
-LoZ Medley (New)
Arena Ferox
-Id/Purpose (New)
-Fire Emblem Theme (Melee)
Flat Zone 2 (Brawl)
-Flat Zone 2 (Brawl)
-Flat Zone (Melee)
Reset Bomb Forest
-Wrath of The Reset Bomb (New)
-Dark Pit's Theme (Original)
Distant Planet (Brawl)
-Pikmin Title Theme (Original)
-World Map Theme (New)
Warioware Inc. (Brawl)
-Warioware Inc. (Brawl)
-Ashley's Theme (Brawl)
Green Hill Zone (Brawl)
-Green Hill Zone (Original)
-Live and Learn (Original)
Tortimer Island
-Island Day/Minigame Theme (New)
-Kapp'n Song (New)
Wily Castle
-Mega Man 2 Medley (New)
-Mega Man 2 Medley (Original*)
Boxing Ring
-Running/Countdown Medley (New)
-Punch Out! Wii Minor Circuit (Original)
Pac-Maze
-Pac-Man Club Mix (New)
-Namco Medley? (New)
Gaur Plain
-And You Will Know Our Names (Original)
-Gaur Plain Theme (Original)
Pictochat 2
-Pictochat (Brawl)
-Dr. Mario Fever (Melee)
Find Mii
-Find Mii Final Boss (New)
-???
Living Room
-Bath Time Theme Vocal Mix (New)
-Bath Time Theme Non-Vocal Mix (New)
Balloon Fight
-Balloon Fight Theme (New)
-Balloon Trip Theme (New)
Tomodachi Life
-Tomodachi Life (New)
-Mii Channel (New)
BONUS SONGS!
-Area 6/Missile Slipstream (New)
-Link to The Past Dark World/Dark Palace (New)
-Skyward Sword Ballad of The Goddess/Ghirahim Theme (New)
-FUCKING INCREDIBLE MELEE THEME (NEW)
*Original versions of the songs arranged in a new way
For the new thread. I'll re-add the links later.
-Ashley's Theme (Brawl)
Other Update from our Artist, Quas-Quas!
Now we know all the characters, what Event Matches could you see if the Wii U Version brings them back?
Bowser having to fight off all the Koopalings vying for the throne seems like an obvious one to me.
Theres never going to be exclusive characters on New 3ds or WiiU, it won't happen, not on Sakurai's watch.New 3DS exclusive.
Its just fun to speculate about it thats all. If we thought trophies still had a chance to be playable then that would mean anyone goes and we wouldn't want that, would we? Kappa.Someone please explain the rationale behind "trophy = no chance" using logic.
impossible
Well...theres still Ridley, Impa, Emolga, Sylveon, and DK Jr. I guess...? And Lucas for a veteran...?Oh right, Pichu...
Is swimming still in the game? I remember it being gone in the 3DS E3 demo, but there was a stat for Swim Time in the winning screen later on.
Also: what is everyone's problem with the Wii U version of Link? Are the 3DS and Wii U versions of him really different?
Did Ganondorf's design change?
Now we know all the characters, what Event Matches could you see if the Wii U Version brings them back?
Bowser having to fight off all the Koopalings vying for the throne seems like an obvious one to me.
Before the ESRB leak the number of stages on 3DS were the same as WiiU and everyone was surprised about how few new stages were in the leak. Would not be surprised if theres only around 4-8 WiiU New stages left.Wii U's already sitting pretty with 17 revealed new stages to 3DS's 23 final tally (15 to 21 if you don't feel like counting the new shared stages) They've still got a chance to cheap out, but if the final total of Wii U stages is also less than Brawl's total then they have seriously mishandled content, split versions or not.
Why is this thread on the 2nd page
Why is this thread on the 2nd page
If the Wii U version does end up with fewer stages than Brawl then the split game development was a failure. No amount of characters can overcome the 3DS's absolutely anemic stage roster. If the solution to developing content for two versions was to release two less than fully featured Smash Bros. then all of Sakurai's posturing of the two games standing on their own and being "Smash 4" and "Smash 5" was a bunch of bullshit.
this ridley tribute video
ahahahahahahaha
this ridley tribute video
ahahahahahahaha
I'm this close to switching over to Sony. Not only did Smash 4 not include Ridley as finally being playable, but now it's utter proof that Nintendo is letting Metroid die like F-Zero did. Now, Metroid is just going to be mini-game fodder for their minigames like NintendoLand and WarioWare.
But Nintendo doesn't care, no. They have to put in more clone characters. Oh, wait, even better. Nintendo is STILL doing StarFox out of all games. I've been a huge fan of the Metroid series since I grew up with the Prime series and this was just a kick to the groin for me. StarFox had a 3DS release and DS release where the 3DS was just a remake AND where the DS release was just a boring as hell game.
Great job Nintendo. Way to ruin the hopes for your entire Metroid fanbase.
I'm curious to see if the Ridley thread on Smashboards considers this a personal insult.
Lol that dude is probably pissed because he made that long video with (terrible) reasons that Ridley was definitely in. Also blaming Dark Pit for Ridley's exclusion. They could have picked a better clone for sure but this talk on how clones prevented characters like Ridley and K. Rool is dumb.
Also, one of the many overreactions in the comments.
Yes, they know and they don't give a fuck. Nintendo didn't really give much of a fuck even during Prime's run, half the reason they didn't sell as well as they should have was the nonexistent marketing. And when they do make half of an effort with Metroid, they give the reins to a director who can't write a coherent plot to save his life and run it into the ground. Metroid has never and will NEVER get the same kind of care and effort as the triple-A titles.
At least its strongly implied that Retro is back at the helm, but they're patching a bleeding artery at this point. This would have been a great opportunity to show Metroid is still at least halfway relevant, but Ridley is a shitty stage boss and Dark Samus -the main villain of three games- is both a sort-of-alt AND an AT, but apparently less deserving of a character slot than Dark Pit, who is a minor character in one game.
I'm less disappointed in Ridley's exclusion than I am about Nintendo's disinterest in Metroid as a whole. We really needed a win.
Dark Pit as a PC in this new Smash just makes no goddamn sense in any way possible...
There are overreactions and then there is this comments that's so true it hurts.
Dark Pit as a PC in this new Smash just makes no goddamn sense in any way possible...
It's not like he's a unique character who took up a ton of dev resources or anything. As far as potential new clones go, Dark Pit makes a lot of sense. He's pretty popular in Japan (he was in Nintendo Dream's top 20 Nintendo characters list, and he has a Figma), and he has a large presence in Kid Icarus: Uprising.Dark Pit as a PC in this new Smash just makes no goddamn sense in any way possible...
Oh my god, I just read through the last four or five pages of the Ridley SmashBoards thread. It's amazing.
I never saw the fan demand for Geno back in the Brawl days, is this better or worse?
If the Wii U version does end up with fewer stages than Brawl then the split game development was a failure. No amount of characters can overcome the 3DS's absolutely anemic stage roster. If the solution to developing content for two versions was to release two less than fully featured Smash Bros. then all of Sakurai's posturing of the two games standing on their own and being "Smash 4" and "Smash 5" was a bunch of bullshit.
Wii U version Link has a weird looking face, 3DS one looks fine.
I think it didn't change At least I didn't notice any diference.
Not sure about swimming.
I really like the 3DS demo. More any anything though, it's giving me a peak at how much I'm going to love the wiiu version. A proper controller is going to make the world of difference. Even with a proper grip, the 3DS buttons and circle pad fall woefully short of the GC controller.
The Wii U version is going to be absolutely killer. For 3DS does what it sets out to do, a comparable portable version of smash, but For WiiU is when the real fun begins.
So, these coins you earn in the demo. Do they do anything?