ArchedThunder
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I hate her fucking Go Go Hooker Boots.
Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 2: Where Pilotwings is apparently Minecraft
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I hate her fucking Go Go Hooker Boots.
RomanceDawn
Member
I think they are intentionally generic, so it's ok?
When I see King K Rool, I just see fat, humanoid crocodile with a kings cape. Maybe there is a lot more going on than I can really see. Though I think his pirate persona along with his pirate and military underlings have a bit more pizzazz in their design. Something about naked, crown wearing crocodile never sat well with me.
But then again I'm the type who thinks if everything is cool then nothing is. So usually I can really appreciate simpler designs and outfits on characters. Just not this time.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
I think I can pretty confidently say that more dudes seem to have an issue with her heels than ladies do. Just such a weird thing to fixate on. Buncha try-hard sympathy pains up in here.
[Edit] My wife: "Until you pointed it out, I don't think I could have even told you what shoes she was wearing."
[Edit] My wife: "Until you pointed it out, I don't think I could have even told you what shoes she was wearing."
friskykillface
Banned
haha wow that sounds amazing, black out the screen and have the king with squawker lighting behind him with the credits rolling by
its too stupid so it has to be in.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I don't think it helps the Kremlings and K. Rool were blatantly taken from a Battletoads (which an ex-Rare employee recently admitted as such) for the first DKC. I think they mostly look fine, but they are just sort of there. They're far better ingrained with the 2nd game's pirate world design and looks-wise.
M:OM's Varia Suit I feel a bit more mixed about. Only thing that really bothers me about it is the plastic-y sheen (which SSB4 got rid of), the tiny peashooter and getting rid of some of the grooves her shoulderpad had. They really should have mixed a few elements from the Prime design to appease having the 'newest' version of a character in smash but appealing to the more popular games.
I think I can pretty confidently say that most of Metroid's fanbase are dudes just by virtue of when the series started in the 80's and fairly niche appeal compared to Mario or even Zelda. Doesn't mean it's not a stupid and borderline sexist redesign because more guys are noticing it than girls, or because your wife personally doesn't mind. I personally couldn't care less about trying to white knight women's rights in regards to M:OM (especially since countless others already do); I just think it's a really dumb design, both objectively and in the context of that series' plot.
M:OM's Varia Suit I feel a bit more mixed about. Only thing that really bothers me about it is the plastic-y sheen (which SSB4 got rid of), the tiny peashooter and getting rid of some of the grooves her shoulderpad had. They really should have mixed a few elements from the Prime design to appease having the 'newest' version of a character in smash but appealing to the more popular games.
Diprosalic
Banned
the less Rare created characters the better.
starwarsfan541
Banned
That'd be pretty awesome, I'd love it if he worked like Zelda and had three forms, Kaptain, King, Mad Scientist.
Professor Beef
Banned
I find it hilarious that people are getting their suits of armor ready for Samus and her heels, but aren't saying a thing about Peach's heels.
RomanceDawn
Member
Woah is this true? Not that it changes my opinion of them but any source to this?
A princess wearing heels and a bounty hunter wearing heels (in the suit she uses to fight aliens in) are pretty different situations, I think.
ArchedThunder
Banned
She's a princess... She doesn't fight except in Smash. Samus is a bounty hunter.
Professor Beef
Banned
Explain the difference, then.
And that's the context I'm talking about. What does it matter otherwise?
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I can't help but feel you're being intentionally obtuse about this. If a female soldier in a war were to wear high heels it would be blood ridiculous and greatly hampers their mobility. It's not that hard to see why by extension, while just a videogame, that it's stupid a space bounty hunter who's constantly thrust into violent and alien environments where she has to stay on her toes and avoid hoards of aliens and space pirates trying to kill her that high heels aren't remotely practical. If Smash is meant to represent the characters they feature well, it'd make sense to ignore an aspect of the M:OM redesign that completely undermines that huge part of her character.
RawkHawk2010
Member
People said this before Brawl. Then Diddy got in and he was suddenly unanimously adored. All it takes for a Rare character to become instantly loved by all is for someone besides Rare to use them.
Anyway, if K. Rool is in, his Kaptain persona's blunderbuss should be a shoe-in as far as moves go...but Japan apparently still viewing the King, Kaptain, and Baron as brothers might be a problem...
ArchedThunder
Banned
Because for Peach they just take her from a not fighting role and put her in a fighting game, it's funny. With Samus it makes absolutely no sense for a woman that is cold and dead inside and always in combat to have high heel boots on her outfit, high heel boots that wouldn't even fit in her armor but yet somehow do it the game.
King K. Rool shoud get in if only to get this song in the game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ftJWsVCikg . Besides, the pirate outfit is amazing.
Professor Beef
Banned
And you're intentionally trying to pretend like some line is being crossed. Just like ArchedThunder above me.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Going off how pixel-perfect some of Diddy's moves and animations were in Brawl, I'd take it if K. Rool's in SSB4 Sakurai would take the necessary time to replay all three DKC's for reference and realize over-seas the brothers thing isn't relevant.
A line in bad taste and dumb design, sure. If I was truly bothered about the stereotypical-aspect I'd be bothered by Peach wearing high heels as well, if not to mention there's far more damning things you can focus on in MOM than just that small detail if you want to make that argument. Thinking 'Other M Is Pretty Awful'™ in most respects isn't some sort of radical new way of thinking, and high heels make no sense and look ridiculous for a character like Samus, in M:OM, Smash or otherwise. How is that hard to get?
dryuriev7777
Member
I can't imagine how difficult it would be walking around in a suit of death armor but also wearing stilettos under the big gravity boots. At least if Peach's feet start to hurt she can just float everywhere.
At the very least M:OM Samus will look fabulous~ while casually causing genocide and crying about the baby and Ridley being all spooky to her and whatnot.
At the very least M:OM Samus will look fabulous~ while casually causing genocide and crying about the baby and Ridley being all spooky to her and whatnot.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Morph ball though, sound science there.
Cause the billions of fictional armors where there are fuckin rockets on the boots and your fleshy foot is six inches off the ground are a peach to walk around in, it's those couple inches of heel on the inside that cause nightmares.
REACHIN, PEOPLE.
ExigentContact
Member
The main line being crossed is bad, nonsensical character design. Sexist allegations are secondary. It's mostly just fucking stupid.
ArchedThunder
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xziKVv2yQJU
It's Sci-Fi
Go Go Hooker Boots are never practical in any setting.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
The Kremlins are the perfect villains for Donkey Kong. It may have been a happy accident but it takes everything full circle. Crocodile baddies are a logical progression of the source material.
Professor Beef
Banned
It's discussions like these that make me glad Nintendo doesn't listen to fans' input.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
The heels are actually pneumatic. They allow her to perform the kind of gravity-defying jumps she does when she's not wearing the Chozo armor.
It's Sci-Fi.
dryuriev7777
Member
I never said they were
Just sayin' if I'm gonna walk around in giant rocket anti-grav what have you boots I'd rather not wear heels. Though maybe Samus keeps guns on those heels like Bayonetta just in case she loses her armor AND her stun gun.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
I bet the heels actually slot in to the bottom of the boots, providing far more stability than just a foot in a metal can. Kinda like bike shoes hooking into pedals.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I wasn't aware having a negative opinion on a character design that differed to yours meant I was constantly harassing the company to oblige my input. Would you have posted this if people agreed with you instead?
I honestly think being on both the 3DS and Wii U with some vaguely defined connectivity/customization aspect is supposed to be this game's new mechanic. I can't think of anything else truly significant they could add at this point that wouldn't significantly change up how Smash functions otherwise, and they probably would've shown it off already if there was such a new mechanic.
ArchedThunder
Banned
If you look at the design of her armor in Other M her boots literally would not fit in her armor.
RawkHawk2010
Member
The Kremlins are the perfect villains for Donkey Kong. It may have been a happy accident but it takes everything full circle. Crocodile baddies are a logical progression of the source material.
The burning question though is whether or not they've run their course. The source of the Kremlings' power (along with their entire island) has been thoroughly destroyed, and the Krew in general has just become less and less menacing to the point of laughter. When not having friendly races or baseball tournaments with the Kongs, they have to rely on things like omnipotent Crystal Bananas to get anywhere. In that regard they've become as washed-up as Bowser.
And I love Bowser, but not as a main villain. In the same way Bowser is at his best as a "third-party" in the Mario RPGs, K. Rool and his ragtag band of Kremlings that survived Crocodile Isle's sinkage should be involved in Donkey Kong's adventures but not as the primary antagonist.
Having an ever-increasing rogue gallery keeps things interesting.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Actually I was just looking at that.
Look at the 45 degree angle going from the front of that boot, up past the ankle. I bet the actual point where her foot ends and her leg begins, the top of her ankle, is flush with the top of that angle. Which means, wearing the heels, the ball of her foot is about 2/3 of the way towards the front of the boot. The ankle joint of that boot is WAY too high for a foot that's actually flush on the ground. There's even a tiny little armor heel there, for the tip of her Zero Suit heel to slot into, go fig. Front of the boot is probably packed with sci-fi viscera. Fits just fine.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
King K. Rool can wear Samus Aran's high heels. Samus can wear King K. Rool's gold-plated chest.
Problem solved!
Samus can also trade her beauty mark for a pair of Rare googly eyes.
Problem double solved!
Problem solved!
Samus can also trade her beauty mark for a pair of Rare googly eyes.
Problem double solved!
VGChampion
Member
Maybe the whole DKR is a prequel to the Country series (despite the name) and the Krew will show up in the third game? But I do agree with everything you've said. Especially Bowser.
dryuriev7777
Member
Ohhh maybe. I'd wonder why they wouldn't just work that into the armor instead of the zero suit but the Chozo are dumb bird people that are probably too busy regurgitating food to their young to really pay attention to Human physiology. I mean they made a suit that loses power ups before every game and actually pops off at the tiniest little things in Other M so they clearly only half knew what they were doing.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Actually I was just looking at that.
Look at the 45 degree angle going from the front of that boot, up past the ankle. I bet the actual point where her foot ends and her leg begins, the top of her ankle, is flush with the top of that angle. Which means, wearing the heels, the ball of her foot is about 2/3 of the way towards the front of the boot. The ankle joint of that boot is WAY too high for a foot that's actually flush on the ground. There's even a tiny little armor heel there, for the tip of her Zero Suit heel to slot into, go fig. Front of the boot is probably packed with sci-fi viscera. Fits just fine.
So you think her foot twists at the arch? Yeah, okay.
Also have you ever seen what actual boots look like?
lol, the heels debate. It's just dumb design. There was no reason she needed heels as a space bounty hunter. Especially after Zero Mission where she didn't have heels and the concept art specifically said that high heels was a no-go.
ArchedThunder
Banned
That is another thing, the original art outright said "Do not make the heels bigger."
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Just don't forget to give Samus inexplicable crocodile nipples and K. Rool a PTSD scene whenever he encounters Donkey Kong and has to be saved by Bowser.
A lot of Other M seems to contradict stuff Sakamoto himself had established for the series and character in previous games he directed. And yeah, that was my argument; they visually look ugly and make absolutely no sense for the character. If it was about sexism which some people are trying to write off complaints as, than I'd argue against the entirety of Peach's existence, and honestly that's for a different thread anyway.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
See that little part that juts out from the back of the armor? I think that's where the actual heel of her foot is. Note how the zero-suit heel angles inwards beneath her actual foot heel, mirroring the same kind of indention in the armor. The pivoting of the "armor ankle" doesn't mirror her real foot, the foot is slotted into the boot on a harsh angle, which pivots around the foot independently. Allows for more strenuous movement without actually damaging her heel!
ArchedThunder
Banned
See that little part that juts out from the back of the armor? I think that's where the actual heel of her foot is. Note how the zero-suit heel angles inwards beneath her actual foot heel, mirroring the same kind of indention in the armor. The pivoting of the "armor ankle" doesn't mirror her real foot, the foot is slotted into the boot on a harsh angle, which pivots around the foot independently. Allows for more strenuous movement without actually damaging her heel!
Uh, no it wouldn't it would cause her to fall on her fucking face if she tried to walk. If that is how it worked she would literally have no movement in her ankles.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Sloppy, but gets the point across I think.
The armor is doing the ankle pivoting, with her foot locked into it in a straight fashion. It's why that "boot" part of the armor isn't solidly locked to the bottom of the armor leg, so it can independently pivot. When you wear robot armor, you adjust to things like like unconventional mobility. She's basically on the balls of her feet all the time. The extension of the boot forwards allows her to maintain balance, and also allows her to do things like jump down 400 foot cliffs without breaking her bones, and double jump in mid-air. By having a completely independent suspension from her actual ankle joint, and presumably with a dampening system built into the Zero Suit heel component.
ArchedThunder
Banned
This just proves my point, look at the armor, look at how feet work. She would have now mobility in her feet or ankles.
Sloppy, but gets the point across I think.
The armor is doing the ankle pivoting, with her foot locked into it in a straight fashion. It's why that "boot" part of the armor isn't solidly locked to the bottom of the armor leg, so it can independently pivot. When you wear robot armor, you adjust to things like like unconventional mobility. She's basically on the balls of her feet all the time. The extension of the boot forwards allows her to maintain balance, and also allows her to do things like jump down 400 foot cliffs without breaking her bones, and double jump in mid-air. By having a completely independent suspension from her actual ankle joint, and presumably with a dampening system built into the Zero Suit heel component.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
yeah im pretty annoyed and tired of it, i really dont give a damn if she was wearing high heels with the zero suit or not, but people feel the need to constantly point it out as much as possible inorder to bring down the character designs
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
What point? I said pretty clearly that her ankle is locked in place. There is basically a robotic ankle built into the suit, responsible for all of the super-strength jumping heroics. Have you ever seen a mech suit? Pretty standard stuff, to have the person inside not actually moving every part of their body in order to make the suit move. The robo-feet pivot around her locked foot, which is pointed downwards into the foot as if an extension of the lower half of the leg.