Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 2: Where Pilotwings is apparently Minecraft
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While they almost certainly ported the animations, effects and other data associated with the characters, the textures and models we've seen so far are new.
Yeah, they would at least be able to salvage texture maps and rigging probably. No need to start from scratch each time.
Huh. Throw me in the "would've sworn Toon Link was getting the axe" pile. Guess I can't complain, except that it'd be nice if they'd actually balance Link for once.
The texturing's clearly been redone, but I'm not at all certain that the models aren't just touched up Brawl assets.
The texturing's clearly been redone, but I'm not at all certain that the models aren't just touched up Brawl assets.
Would be easier to use the lower-poly Brawl models as a base though, and would mean less UV mapping and work in general. So not really from the ground up if they did that. I'm interested to see how different the models are if people ever get at the disk data for Smash 4.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Technically Gen 3 is repped in Brawl - Red is based more on his FRLG look than Gen 1.
Oh my god, Toon Link's feet are so adorable.
Ah, memories ♪
That's probably the case, since looking through a bunch of Dolphin shots the only things that are significantly different are things like hair.
And Samus.
Well, I wasn't making the "from the ground up" claim, but I could've worded it better. The models are new, even if they're based off of Brawl's assets.
So I just thought about the reveal schedule.
Imagine the game releasing on November 2014. Sakurai might want to save some reveals as secrets until release. Let's say the game will have between 40 - 45 characters. Now, from October 2013 to November 2014 is 13 months of information. We have 16 characters revealed already. This month we had to reveals and I think that trend can be held until release. If that happened, we would have 42 revealed characters before release. But I guess we could have 3-5 months with just one reveal by Q1 next year. If that happened, we would have aproximatedly 37- 39 characters before release.
Next year is going to be interesting with Nintebdo release, since we don't really know much about WiiU and 3DS software so far, just like 4 Nintendo games on each console. That means we could have like 3 or more exclusive game reveals for each console for 2014.
Yoshi is going to appear next year in two games as the main character: Yoshi Yarn and Yoshi's Island. Plus he will appear in Mario Kart 8 and Mario Golf 3DS. And there might be another Mario game (Mario Strikers U?) and maybe DLC for 3D World including Yoshi as a character/power up. So my guess is that next year is going to be the year of Yoshi.
Now, with those things in mind, let's look at thepossible character reveals.
November:
Pokemon Trainer
Zelda
December:
Diddy Kong
Sonic
January:
Yoshi (because year of Yoshi)
February:
Captain Falco
March:
Wario (MK8 release?)
Ganondorf
April:
Ness
May:
Bayonetta (2 release?)
King Dededee
June:
Namco character (E3)
New character (E3)
July:
Marth
August:
Lucario (or Mewtwo) (Pokken release or something?)
Zero Suit Samus
September:
Falco
ROB
October:
Meta Knight (Kirby game release?)
New character (Nintendo direct)
November:
New character (smash specific direct)
Snake
Imagine the game releasing on November 2014. Sakurai might want to save some reveals as secrets until release. Let's say the game will have between 40 - 45 characters. Now, from October 2013 to November 2014 is 13 months of information. We have 16 characters revealed already. This month we had to reveals and I think that trend can be held until release. If that happened, we would have 42 revealed characters before release. But I guess we could have 3-5 months with just one reveal by Q1 next year. If that happened, we would have aproximatedly 37- 39 characters before release.
Next year is going to be interesting with Nintebdo release, since we don't really know much about WiiU and 3DS software so far, just like 4 Nintendo games on each console. That means we could have like 3 or more exclusive game reveals for each console for 2014.
Yoshi is going to appear next year in two games as the main character: Yoshi Yarn and Yoshi's Island. Plus he will appear in Mario Kart 8 and Mario Golf 3DS. And there might be another Mario game (Mario Strikers U?) and maybe DLC for 3D World including Yoshi as a character/power up. So my guess is that next year is going to be the year of Yoshi.
Now, with those things in mind, let's look at thepossible character reveals.
November:
Pokemon Trainer
Zelda
December:
Diddy Kong
Sonic
January:
Yoshi (because year of Yoshi)
February:
Captain Falco
March:
Wario (MK8 release?)
Ganondorf
April:
Ness
May:
Bayonetta (2 release?)
King Dededee
June:
Namco character (E3)
New character (E3)
July:
Marth
August:
Lucario (or Mewtwo) (Pokken release or something?)
Zero Suit Samus
September:
Falco
ROB
October:
Meta Knight (Kirby game release?)
New character (Nintendo direct)
November:
New character (smash specific direct)
Snake
Thanks for adding Snake in the end there. For me.
Suddenly, it looks like Toon Link is wearing a green basketball tank.
I need him back too. He brought new things to the game, and he would be a unique and nice addition. And I think 4 third party characters would be perfect and enough for the game (I'm counting on Pacman or a Tekken representative, hopefully Jin)
Yeah, pretty much. It would be a massive undertaking if they didn't use Brawl assets as a base, so this is better for everyone because they have more time to implement new characters. And the ways they've improved the models and textures looks great so far. And stuff like Samus/Bowser which look completely fresh.
Troubled Bat
Member
You know, I can't wait to see Toon Link on the Galaxy stage.
"Every time, you know, I try to the point where I think I can't go on any longer. For example, I think pretty much the limit when it comes to creating characters for a Smash Bros. is about 20, counting those from older games. We remake them completely each time, after all, and the teams and personnel and specs are all different. But we all go beyond what the work calls for because we want to do our best to retain fans of each character." - Sakurai
They remake them from the ground up.
What game is that quote from. I have no doubt they remade them for the first three games.
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...ines_the_challenges_of_smash_bros_development
Plus, the models are clearly reworked. Slight contour changes between Brawl and WiiU versions give it away.
I just need a new gameplay video even if it is short
Yeah, that'd be nice. Seconds of gameplay is not enough!
Also, didn't Sakurai import Samus from Other M then tweak it?
I'm only arguing that they use Brawl as a base, they would rework them from there.
Came to post this, I had the impression we´ll see both next week.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Here's the ones I could find:
Some of em aren't in use anymore ... Peach, bowser and wii fit trainer.. ?
Did someone call fox? if not then I'd like to take him for later use.
Yeah, I'm just refuting the port arguments--if there even were any. I see that brought up every now and then about how the game looks pretty much like Brawl. After which I proceed to facepalm and mark the person in my mind as either being blind, or not knowing a thing about game development/design.
The most useless unexpected one! :3!
Nah something from Gen VI another fairy (if Jygglypuff is in)
Dunno if we should expect something on a specific date for this game tbh. Though, I don't think any of those will be announced in relation to X/Y. Though if I were to say those that are most likely...prob Mewtwo or Lucario.
I always thought people who thought Mewtwo was going to be revealed in October were idiots, but now I honestly don't know.
I still say it's very likely Mewtwo won't be revealed until post-launch. He seems the kind of unlockable that's kind of a surprise. Toon Link isn't all that surprising with several factors, even though I'm just surprised he was revealed this early. The fact Toon Link is still very relevent with his DS sequels and now the Wii U HD remake. And Sakurai going out of his way to wanting Toon Shiek/Zelda. Oh and Toon Link having his respective level in Brawl. He didn't seem all that phone in, so I thought his chances of staying was pretty high.
Mewtwo on the other hand got axed from Brawl and many people question if he's coming back or not. The Mega forms really helps the likelihood though... but still it sort of seems like something best saved for later?
But at this point, anything is possible... But I'm expecting Pokemon Trainer's reveal before Mewtwo. We'll see!
Mewtwo on the other hand got axed from Brawl and many people question if he's coming back or not. The Mega forms really helps the likelihood though... but still it sort of seems like something best saved for later?
But at this point, anything is possible... But I'm expecting Pokemon Trainer's reveal before Mewtwo. We'll see!
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Im hoping for Pokemon trainer.
I now think it's certain that we'll get a Pokemon reveal on October 12. It's the only series with many characters yet to be revealed and a very important game for the series will be in shops on October 12. Most characters are revealed based on their game's release, so I don't see why this won't be the case now.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
ooo kumagawa......I might snatch this up
Whether or not they're starting with Brawl assets, they look great reworked so it doesn't matter really. In the end they are still different higher-poly models.
Troubled Bat
Member
Hopefully Mario and Toon Link on the Galaxy stage. Its something I must see.
Toon Link looks great. Really liking the Zelda designs.
I had to pop in and say your sprites are fantastic. If I didn't want to keep the same avatar I would have asked to use one of your sprites! If you ever do any Final Fantasy ones I'd love to see them.
I had to pop in and say your sprites are fantastic. If I didn't want to keep the same avatar I would have asked to use one of your sprites! If you ever do any Final Fantasy ones I'd love to see them.
Dimitri LH
Member
Not sure if its been called before but....
Dibs on a "Tales of" character avatar sprite if they are in SSB4 (probably going to be from symphonia if it does happen ).
Dibs on a "Tales of" character avatar sprite if they are in SSB4 (probably going to be from symphonia if it does happen ).
I want to call for Daisy but im guessing thats been done already
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Nope
TWIST! It was Battlefield whole time with some kind of move that would cause the bright light to make it look like Mario Galaxy.
I remembered that too in other thread.
Alright, that's not bad thing but I suspected we are looking at Summer release date (or Early Fall like Sept 21/23)
I think you saw my post right? I mentioned that if they really start working on SSB4 during May 2012 then they would have about two years and few months to working on the game. I would like to guess that they might able to make two characters per month or so for two years and few months. 2 x 24 = 48 characters, plus few months, so I would guess 52 to 56 characters depend on their plans and release date. In my opinion we should have about 35ish starter characters.
Also you forget to mention October so I will fix and add my prediction.
I preferred to get close to 2014 so I can predict more.
Heart-wrench right?
Toon Link at his stage would make sense
MrSaturn99
Member
So do you guys think we'll get another Wind Waker stage based on the HD version? At the very least, I think the Pirate Ship stage will come back.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Underwater Hyrule would be boss.
Me too. With dual swords please. Oh my god the outrage if the first Ganondorf to use swords is the Toon Ganon.
I hope so. Like I said, I want the underwater Hyrule just for the scenery. Maybe it could actually start flooding during the battle.
If not, then they might bring the Pirate Ship back. I never really loved it though because I thought the bombs were kinda annoying.
Caffeine
Gold Member
haha ye i hope he is a agile character too.