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Super Street Fighter 4 Æ |OT5| Waiting to go from Super to Ultra
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Rice-Eater
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If you mean for USF4, then yeah it's only on hard knockdowns. Soft knockdowns has it's own version of delayed wake up, but it's either get up right away or something like 1 second later. No where near as short as DWU for hard knockdowns which is only 11 frames.
Omnistalgic
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I'm rusty but I'm down...Psn is OmniStalgic when u on?
Lol I know that feel bro.
If that's the case we're going to see a boring Ibuki army.
biosnake20
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Gamerbee:
AkumaHokoru pls
AkumaHokoru pls
Passive Assassin
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she'll be alright. it's still a 50/50 and not like an unblockable before with neckbreaker, walk forward, forward short into j.short or j.forward.
Passive Assassin
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just minor buffs. the ex dp buff and 3f to c.jab.
Rice-Eater
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Yep, unlike Akuma she can adjust to DWU. The only good thing that may come out of this is that it forces Ibuki into a set up that won't force you to guess. Maybe the method Shimuta was using(when he had a very long win streak) can always be blocked the same way. Even though it gives her safe pressure without the fear of reversal, it's already a big help if we don't have to guess. That's just my hope anyways.
Akuma on the other hand has been gutted. He can't adjust to DWU with his demon flip, not even with EX fireballs. And even if that worked, it's too expensive of a method to continually go for. Aside from these two all the other so called "vortex" characters are fine since they get most of their pressure from soft knockdowns. I wonder if Sakura players will go back to 2009 and do EX tatsu into jab resets? Or maybe just end combos with DP like I've seen some do.
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@Rice-Eater
Totally agree, man. Akuma will still have a vortex if he guesses right, however. But all of his vortex options must be committed to the instant after the sweep connects, whether its a DF palm, non-command dive kick, or DF dive kick. I don't think there's time to decide whether to read the DWU or not. In hindsight, I think the nerfs to his defensive game are a bit much with DWU around. His fireball game is good to get a knockdown, not to timeout the opponent. He's not a pure zoner in the sense of Guile or Sagat, for example. He'll still be strong but I could see him being outside top 10. Changes are still being made so we'll see what happens.
Totally agree, man. Akuma will still have a vortex if he guesses right, however. But all of his vortex options must be committed to the instant after the sweep connects, whether its a DF palm, non-command dive kick, or DF dive kick. I don't think there's time to decide whether to read the DWU or not. In hindsight, I think the nerfs to his defensive game are a bit much with DWU around. His fireball game is good to get a knockdown, not to timeout the opponent. He's not a pure zoner in the sense of Guile or Sagat, for example. He'll still be strong but I could see him being outside top 10. Changes are still being made so we'll see what happens.
CountBlack
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I feel Capcom wishes they had more time to spend on Ultra before getting it out there, but they gotta get it out on time for Evo. Needs more proper loctests and
more proper balancing tbh
more Deejay buffs
I wouldn't be shocked if we get a fairly hefty post-Evo patch.
Does DWU really effect her meaty fireball setups? I feel like with 11 frames, the fireball would still hit the opponent meaty.
Lowkey bad matchup for dudley imo.
CountBlack
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GTFOIf some random bozo can beat PR Rog on his stream with Deejay then he needs no buffs.
People said that about A2 Birdie back in the day. At some point a bad char is bad.
I don't know if this actually applies to Dee Jay though (maybe in AE, but maybe not Ultra)
Kaleinc
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And Deejay OCV at Canada Cup, Capcom pls nerfIf some random bozo can beat PR Rog on his stream with Deejay then he needs no buffs.
CountBlack
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With the way team Canada was playing, I coulda done the same ishAnd Deejay OCV at Canada Cup, Capcom pls nerf
kidding I woulda got bopped
Deejay can't do anything except Ultra against a cr.MK by Makoto on wakeup lol.
or block of course, then that leads into what Makoto wants.. block strings and chokes
BizzyBum
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I saw your name on Challonge. Didn't get a chance to watch you play though. You planning to attend more often?
BizzyBum
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Most likely. I can't attend every week but when I can I definitely try to head over.
The Mango Sentinel
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Anyone want to beat my ass at AE? I need to get ready for Ultra
I'm on psn and xbl
I should be available from today until Sunday for the most part, since I'm stuck at home.
Edit: I should probably post this in fgw as well.
I'm on psn and xbl
I should be available from today until Sunday for the most part, since I'm stuck at home.
Edit: I should probably post this in fgw as well.
Passive Assassin
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Good to hear. I watched your match and noticed that you still really like to do EX fireballs haha. You usually went for a regular fireball and then immediately do ex fireball. I don't think your opponent picked up on that though.
BizzyBum
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Yeah, I did the same thing when playing you. I throw them out too often and I never get Super.
I also played the match way too aggressive. After the match Mike was like "why did you try to go in so hard? Just zone me out and be lame." I guess I didn't want to be too boring on stream with like 5,000 people watching. lol
Also, I'm convinced most of Ryu's matchups are 6-4 against Ryu, not 5-5. He's only going to get worse in Ultra, too. I might have to switch to Evil Ryu.
Nah Ryu has a pretty good matchup spread IMO.
I've been in that situation before lol. I remember I had to play on stream against a Ryu player and for some reason I thought it would be better to rush in and not play keepaway. I'm not too sure about the Sakura/Ryu matchup, so I can't really say if you were too aggressive. Only thing I noticed is that you didn't really anti air Sakura properly or threaten her with your dp on wakeup.
After looking at Ryu's ultra changes, it definitely seems like his changes are rather miniscule although the change to dp fadc will hurt. I think he's still a solid character though. Definitely in the top half of the cast.
Its not as much of a luxury as you think, most the shotos have that as their primary wakeup option.
Passive Assassin
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didn't you play akuma?
When I first started out? For like 2 weeks or so, ya. Back then I didn't even know what an FADC was. I don't even think I reversaled with him really.
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