Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)

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Mass will never go red in the general, but there is a lot of strong visible support for Trump around here. I'm seeing more and more Trump bumper stickers and yard signs everyday. Purely anecdotal I know, but... I'm fucking seeing it.

I pulled a Trump yard sign yesterday! Think it was the first time in my life that I removed a political sign from somebody's yard.
 
It's worrisome. I just hope we show up in November.

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I can't help but expect voter turnout to drop once Trump is declared the nominee. Trump is pretty hated among establishment Republicans.
 
Ugh. HIllary's emails is such a bummer for her campaign, it's unfortunately an instant turnoff for anyone who ever thought about a security clearance and hurts her favorability ratings in the general. It needs to fade away like it was sniper fire from Monica Lewinsky, but Drumpf and Co. won't have any of that...this race is going to be so dirty like you wouldn't believe lol

Don't forget in bizarro world email security is more important than Gestapo deportation squads roaming America for all of the illegals
 
Congrats on theft and trespassing!

In front of the apartment complex. I doubt the property owner did it.

They are low class people. They use the street as their trash can. Littering Bud Light, Busch, Keystone Light beer cans. Then tossing their Pall Mall cigarette butts out in the street, etc.

Wonder why I never see expensive items being littered on the ground. Where are the Nordstrom bags or $50 bottles of alcohol? It's all cheap items.. Fast food bags, etc. etc.
 
In front of the apartment complex. I doubt the property owner did it.

They are low class people. They use the street as their trash can. Littering Bud Light, Busch, Keystone Light beer cans. Then tossing their Pall Mall cigarette butts out in the street, etc.

Wonder why I never see expensive items being littered on the ground. Where are the Nordstrom bags or $50 bottles of alcohol? It's all cheap items.. Fast food bags, etc. etc.

Okay, Ivy is right. This is the worst election season.
 
OMG let's get to the freaking point. The straw man continues.

I'm done here. Your in love with the sound of your own logic. Everyone who works financial industry are evil, nefarious people. Why else would the donate to Hilliary? You moved the goal post to talk about campaign finance. And then accuse me of a straw man argument? I'm not playing your game.
 
Don't take signs out of people's yards, c'mon.

If young people give a shit about how the Supreme Court makes its decisions and how Congress leans in the next 4 years it would be in their best interests to vote for the candidate closest to their ideals. I sincerely doubt they'll sit out this vote unless they want progress in this country to come to a grinding halt but, hey, young people are entitled to making mistakes too.

I'm not sure about that. Young voter turnout so far this cycle has been weak so it seems like most young people would rather post messages on social media than actually vote.

Maybe more young people will show up for the general
 
In front of the apartment complex. I doubt the property owner did it.

They are low class people. They use the street as their trash can. Littering Bud Light, Busch, Keystone Light beer cans. Then tossing their Pall Mall cigarette butts out in the street, etc.

Wonder why I never see expensive items being littered on the ground. Where are the Nordstrom bags or $50 bottles of alcohol? It's all cheap items.. Fast food bags, etc. etc.

Uh oh.
 
Ugh. HIllary's emails is such a bummer for her campaign, it's unfortunately an instant turnoff for anyone who ever thought about a security clearance and hurts her favorability ratings in the general. It needs to fade away like it was sniper fire from Monica Lewinsky, but Drumpf and Co. won't have any of that...this race is going to be so dirty like you wouldn't believe lol

It's not going to fade away, because it's a legitimate issue. Let a department head at any sizable organization, public or private, have their own email server, one that doesn't get the same security measures and audits as rest of the organization. I'm a public sector employee and we are subject to the FOIA. This was a deliberate attempt to sidestep that act, and compromised security at the State Department.

I don't think it's disqualifying but I suspect that Trump will resurrect this issue in the general election in a big way.
 
It's worrisome. I just hope we show up in November.

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Well, I can spin this and say Hillary Clinton has received more votes than any other Presidential candidate thus far, Democrat or Republican (not including CO, IA or NV). Does that help?

Honestly, I think Democrats will turnout against Trump.
 
It's not going to fade away, because it's a legitimate issue. Let a department head at any sizable organization, public or private, have their own email server, one that doesn't get the same security measures and audits as rest of the organization. I'm a public sector employee and we are subject to the FOIA. This was a deliberate attempt to sidestep that act, and compromised security at the State Department.

I don't think it's disqualifying but I suspect that Trump will resurrect this issue in the general election in a big way.

Except it isn't a legitimate issue. The only ones who bring it up are the GOP and sanders supporters. The population at large don't seem to care or think it is a non-issue.
 
What an absurd argument.

So the RNC is going to ignore millions of voters and splinter the party even more because they can't control him?

How is that working out so far?

Yes, logic and reason is absurd. Why do you think they've been smearing Trump so hard? They don't want him to be the nominee. His own party despises his very existence. They have no incentive to nominate him (especially considering if they don't, he'll just run as an independent).

There's a reason the term brokered convention is being thrown around so much. The superdelegates will most likely decide who wins the GOP nomination and those will go to establishment candidates.

The GOP has absolutely no incentive to listen to their base. They've been actively politicking against their interests for a while now and they're still voting for them. Why would that stop them now?
 
So, really looking at the upcoming delegate map, I feel pretty confident that Bernie's all but finished. He put up a good fight, though. I'm glad I got a chance to vote for him. Looking forward to November now.
 
Bernie had a better showing than I thought he would given his socialist baggage, but yeah, he's toast. Not enough time in the cycle to overcome his unpopularity amongst minorities.

Meanwhile,

 
I don't like Trump but that doesn't give me the right to pull up signs that support him just because the people that put them up are poor and "low class".

Wait. I'm poor.

I live in an efficiency appartment and still cannot make ends meet. Both of my parents write me checks in order for me to surive.

I'm just anti litter. Ashtrays were invented for a reason.. Don't litter the ground with your butts
 
Yes, logic and reason is absurd. Why do you think they've been smearing Trump so hard? They don't want him to be the nominee. His own party despises his very existence. They have no incentive to nominate him (especially considering if they don't, he'll just run as an independent).

There's a reason the term brokered convention is being thrown around so much. The superdelegates will most likely decide who wins the GOP nomination and those will go to establishment candidates.

The GOP has absolutely no incentive to listen to their base. They've been actively politicking against their interests for a while now and they're still voting for them. Why would that stop them now?

Obviously they don't want Trump to be the nominee, as they've been campaigning against it at every turn. But to think that they're simply going to ignore a large segment of the voting base and just give them the finger isn't a logical argument. They don't like the fact that the voters have chosen Trump, but they're not going to alienate ~40% of their voting base to make a point. It doesn't make any sense.
 
I pulled a Trump yard sign yesterday! Think it was the first time in my life that I removed a political sign from somebody's yard.

I simply can't believe that we not only have someone here bragging about putting up a yard sign, but going on to say that they only "think" it was the first time they had done it in their life. As if this is somehow ok to do, and normal.

This is a crime pretty much anywhere, and if you are actually caught doing it or it's found out that you did it you can face charges of a fine and jail time. Here in SC I believe it's a $100 fine and/or up to 30 days in jail.

I have no clue if Ekdrm2d1 is from Texas or not, but in that state you face up to $500 in fines at least.

Forget the actual charges though. Beyond that, it's disgusting that anyone would do this in the first place. As if whoever placed the sign, on their property, shouldn't feel free to voice their opinion simply because you don't agree with it. That's pretty sad. What's even worse is if you do a search on Twitter for a candidate's name plus the word sign, you find tons of morons bragging about doing this, sometimes posting selfies with the stolen signs. Ugh.

I know this has been happening a lot, so I actually have that entire area of my yard on video now. You better believe if anyone decided to do that to our property that I wouldn't just let it be.

I wont even get into the "poor" and "low class" comments.
 
Wait. I'm poor.

I live in an efficiency appartment and still cannot make ends meet. Both of my parents write me checks in order for me to surive.

I'm just anti litter. Ashtrays were invented for a reason.. Don't litter the ground with your butts

Fair enough, I thought by low class you meant poor. Still, I don't think you should be removing their property just because they were littering.
 
Didn't realise so many states voted in March (18 to come)

Crunched some numbers, and if Hillary meets her targets, with what she already has she will have around 1,235 delegates before heading into next month, that's not including super delegates that takes her to 1,692. But across the first 16 states she has won above her target in 13 of them. An average of 10%, if that holds across March she's looking at an extra 64 delegates, so 1,750~ delegates.

Bernie is also aiming for around 630~ delegates for the rest of March but so far across 12/16 states to vote he's underperformed on his targets by an average of 20%, so he could lose 126 delegates meaning he ends march at 925 (that's with his 22 super delegates).

Basically, if what is happening holds true for the rest of March, Hillary will be 825 delegates ahead of him, 390 if you don't include SD.
 
I am against Citizen's United, but what does that have to do with anything? So is Hillary.

I'll continue to wait for Hillary backed legislation that demonstrates that Hillary is in the pocket of big banks.

You don't need legislation to demonstrate that she's "in the pocket of big banks" - the numbers are on paper and public. Saying you're against it (or Hillary voicing her stance against it) is one thing, but to do that and expressly state that all the money she has received and continues to receive in no way influences her decision making (the crux of the argument for citizens united) is outrageous in my book.
 
Well, I can spin this and say Hillary Clinton has received more votes than any other Presidential candidate thus far, Democrat or Republican (not including CO, IA or NV). Does that help?

Honestly, I think Democrats will turnout against Trump.

I'm not so sure. Especially if Hillary is the nominee. She has high disapproval and distrust ratings compared to her peers, and is not someone that inspires excitement, especially among younger people. The picture is worrying, demographic shift or not.
 
My "don't worry, Dems will turn out in higher numbers for the general, they just have to" rationalization is that there's a much greater urgency among Republicans or conservative-leaning Independents to vote in the GOP primary; there's a very contested race there where the frontrunner is an extremely divisive figure. The Dem primary is, by comparison, far less of a big deal.
 
Do you think Trump has been anticipating this? These last weeks he went after Romney hard, saying he was a weak candidate who should have won last time etc.
 
Obviously they don't want Trump to be the nominee, as they've been campaigning against it at every turn. But to think that they're simply going to ignore a large segment of the voting base and just give them the finger isn't a logical argument. They don't like the fact that the voters have chosen Trump, but they're not going to alienate ~40% of their voting base to make a point. It doesn't make any sense.

I can totally see them alienating their party and go full nuclear just to avoid handing the nomination to Trump. They clearly don't have any confidence that Rubio can take enough delegates to matter from him 1v1, Cruz still has a few states left where he'll take some delegates, and a lot of the polls say Rubio's stronger states are still ahead of him (though that remains to be seen).

Hell, if you don't believe that they'd do a brokered convention, Rubio's campaign manager is talking about it and he's the establishment candidate from the GOP. He wouldn't say something like that publicly unless he had assurances from the party that they'd be willing to go that route.

Kasich is running right now to keep Trump from winning as many delegates as possible. It's not much mind you, but with 4 candidates running (and each having their devoted supporters) it fragments the pool of available delegates, making it more unlikely that anyone reaches the required delegates to clinch the nomination.
 
Romney entering the race would basically be like the Republican establishment taking their cyanide pills to end the party.
 
Romney entering the race now would be ridiculous and counter-productive. He has to realize that his presence would only fracture the anti-Trump even more.
 
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