Idaho Democratic caucus apparently seeing a big turnout:
That can't be the Idaho caucus, I see Hillary signs.
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That can't be the Idaho caucus, I see Hillary signs.
Macho Madness
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Believe it. It's also very near the Washington border.
Of course they were. They don't want Phoenix voting.
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doesnt look like CBSN is going to be doing any election coverage.
oneils
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listen to the mad man
Too many Hillary signs to be Idaho. Must not be near Bernie territory.
An actual part of the process is different than these independent expenditure organs with unlimited funding.
If a candidate says they don't like caucuses or the Electoral College system, they cannot reject it because it is part of the process.
All the prior presidents were elected with the use of caucuses and the Electoral College.
On the other hand, all the prior presidents have been elected without using Super PACs.
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Let's be honest: Sanders only recently joined the Democratic Party and did so, by his own admission, for entirely pragmatic reasons. He is often critical of the party. He can't possibly believe that the superdelegates would give him the nomination if Clinton wins the most pledged delegates. This entire superdelegates strategy is a non-strategy. He's basically just keeping up the appearance of a campaign that could win the nomination at this point.
And_Gignac
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I can't go through all this anymore. ;__;
Don't lose badly, Bernardo.
Don't lose badly, Bernardo.
*except Obama
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Needs to keep that money coming in so he can drop another $3.5 million dollars on ads next week. (that's what he spent in the last week just on ads).
His campaign manager made $800,000 off of the ad buys last month alone. Gotta make that coin.
Obama won in 2008 without Super PACs.
..no that's booze.BOAT, is that you?
There was a more recent election in 2012 btw
That does not make my statement untrue.
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Probably too late now but someone should have photoshopped the below boxart for be applicable to this thread
I mean his like special press conference he has done the past few times. They've been different than normal post primary/caucus speeches.
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Macho Madness
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There were also 43 presidential elections in which no candidate carried the state of Hawaii because it didn't exist.
SuperPACs are a thing that exist. Bernie has had a few (minuscule) ones that have spent money on his behalf, mainly trying to register voters in states his campaign hasn't organized in. You're not going to unilaterally disarm when the GOP can spend $1 billion dollars against you. It's just not going to happen.
SuperPACs are a thing that exist. Bernie has had a few (minuscule) ones that have spent money on his behalf, mainly trying to register voters in states his campaign hasn't organized in. You're not going to unilaterally disarm when the GOP can spend $1 billion dollars against you. It's just not going to happen.
Karsticles
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Who are you talking to? I don't have a problem with Clinton using super PACs.
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Steeped in a Sea of Games
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I'm lovin' it.
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It's one thing to be critical of the concept of superdelegates and recognize the way the system is designed you need them for the nomination even if you win the pledged delegates. It's another thing to say they should listen to the will of the people and then argue that they should support you for electablility reasons regardless of whether you win.
boredofcanada
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Hearing stories of four hour lines, people being turned away, and early closures here in Phoenix. Soooo glad I voted early last week.
Why more people don't take advantage of early voting is beyond me. Its so simple.
Macho Madness
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Didn't know that the closer to the border you get in Arizona, the less restrictions people want.
For one, the evidence is still out on whether Super PACs can effect presidential contests--the data thus far seems to indicate it does not have much of an effect.
Secondly, I think you could take a nuanced position on using Super PACs in a primary versus using them in a general election. Trump will probably embrace Super PACs wholeheartedly for the general.
I don't see what part of my argument that says they shouldn't be compared to Super PACs that you are addressing.
Macho Madness
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Both sides too early to call in Arizona at poll closing.
No exit polling, right?
Macho Madness
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No. But lots of early vote.
Also apparently only 1/3 of normal polling places were open today, but with the highest turnout for an arizona primary ever.
Theres also some (unverified) reports I'm seeing on facebook about people waiting through the lines, getting to the polls and finding out that they were misregistered somehow. Like lifelong democrats being told their registration is libertartian, etc.
Something screwy is going on today.
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Sure. Bernie's also showing that spending the most money doesn't net you the most wins. He outspent Hillary in every single state last Tuesday, and he lost them all. Money on ads isn't great spending, but money on GOTV and infrastructure is.
Not surprising. There were no exit poll, so they have to wait for some raw numbers.
RustyNails
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I never thought I would say this but I'm happy to see Wolf Blitzer and cant wait for his key race alerts after the repeating, disheartening and sobering coverage of Brussels attacks.
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Currently there is less than one vote between Clinton and Sanders!
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Basileus777
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They aren't releasing any results for another hour.
Box of Kittens
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Now you're just being obtuse. The original comparison you responded to wasn't about Super PACs and superdelegates per se, it was between Clinton's position on Super PACs and Sanders's position on superdelegates.
Honestly there needs to be more of an outreach to let people know early/absentee voting exists, especially by the Democratic party, as it benefits them the most. It takes obly as long as it does to fill out a ballot with early voting as there's usually little to no line.
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Bless your Heart <3
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CA is the great white hope of the Sander's fans. IF he can win big there he can easily make up 200 (or you know 320) delegates. I mean, he'd only need to win... what... 84% of them.
I feel the same. Trump irritates me but not to the wanting to kill myself point.
VanCityGamer
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So who's expected to win each state on the GOP side? Are either of them winner-take-most?
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Every now and then I like to sit back and just think about how fucked the Republicans are if they pick Ted Cruz at a brokered convention and how fucked they are if Trump wins the majority of delegates.
It always brightens up my day.
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Cruz in Utah, and it's Winner take all if you get above 50%
Trump in AZ, and it is winner take all no matter what.
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