Here you go.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0098O9TB0/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Why don't you buy that? Is there something the Surface have that you must buy it?
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Here you go.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0098O9TB0/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Why don't you buy that? Is there something the Surface have that you must buy it?
VLC.
I'm would hazard a guess that the install base for VLC pales in comparison to Excel.
Xplatformer
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Yeah the Surface is an extremely desirable product. Most people I showed it to wanted one until I told them the price. The Surface is in the same predicament as the iPad Mini. A great product that only Apple/MS diehards will buy due to being over priced.
Unknown Soldier
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This argument makes no sense. Unless what MS wanted to accomplish with the Surface is to make a product no one buys. Then they are certainly doing an admirable job. I hope it ends up as successful as the Zune, Kin, and Windows Phone 7 then based on this metric.
The problem is Apple is currently in a market-dominant position. MS is just entering it. You can't build a product for diehards with a 0% market share. Apple can because their market share in tablets is a dominant one. The pricing on Surface is suicidal, plain and simple.
Isnt the surface RT pretty much crap right now when it comes to video file support? So yes VLC would be pretty helpful.
OEMs would be even more pissed if MS sold it lower than what it is. MS probably also doesn't want a race to the bottom like Android tablets are seeing.
That and I don't think the end game for MS is to sell more Surfaces than any other RT/W8 device. It's to set a quality standard for OEMs to follow and to sell more operating systems on portable devices at the expense of Android/iOS. If they really wanted to sell a gazillion Surfaces, they wouldn't allow any OEMs to sell RT devices at all and sell their own product at a reduced price. Either way, I'm not bothered. My iPad owning relatives are jealous when they see me watch a TV show in the main window and read a news feed on a side-docked app at the same time. All they see is what they can't do with their iPads, not what their iPads might do better.
plagiarize
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VLC would be helpful, yes, but it's far from the most popular desktop application. Faaaaar from it.
Unknown Soldier
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I use MPC-HC these days. Fortunately that will work fine on Surface Pro.
345triangle
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you truly believe the ipad mini won't sell well? not a chance. it does everything the full-size ipads do in a more attractive form factor for a lower price. average consumers do not care about pixel density or how much nexus 7s cost.
it'll be the most popular ipad before the year is out.
It's really annoying how Thurrott needs to start almost every article with "...as I first revealed" or "as I exclusively revealed months before The Verge" (exaggeration, not exact).
He's so damn insecure about his stature in his writing, always needs to make sure he has the inside scoop.
Also amusing how he constantly derides Sinofsky for his verbosity when I don't think I've ever seen any evidence that he knows how to edit the chaff.
LOL
You guys make me laugh. Do you think the average user runs mpc-hc or vlc player and doesn't just stick with the built in player . ipad users , android tablet users will all use the built in software.
People who keep saying they think this product is lacking software or costs to much don't seem to understand the landscape of the computing world .
I used to vist the verge a lot until some of their recent reviews . In Paul's defense they have talked badly about him while ripping off his news way before he started calling them out on it.
Also unlike the verge he can actually criticize MS while the verge is incapable of doing the same to apple
Who said anything about being the most popular desktop application.
Ive never met a mac owner who doesnt use VLC. Not sure if youre trying to tell us that no tablet user would ever want that feature.
Considering both the App Store & Google Play hit 25 billion downloads this year, yeah I think the average iPad & Android user likes to install applications other than what the device comes with. I'm sorry you seem to be completely satisfied with a device purely to run MS Office with.
lol , I know many people with ipad's the school I do it for has everyone walking around with them. They all use the default video player and the majority just download games and use Netflix /hulu for movie watching .
I don't own a surface. I had a touchpad with android 4 on it and I have an ipad 2 . But neither of those will run office or run two apps side by side.
All my media works fine in media player / center since I have a htpc with a centon tuner and I record my shows and my blurays and surface seems to run Netflix and hulu just fine.
If you really need to play a different media file that isn't supported why don't u wait more than 3 weeks for someone to make the app ?
So I tried my Surface at the Office. Had it configured to connect to the office network using wireless and tried remote desktop to my work laptop. My work laptop is running Win7 Enterprise and the experience was quite smooth. I'm currently using an 11.6" i7 ulv subnotebook and pretty much everyone else uses 14" or 15". Not many people uses monitors either and I'm probably one of the 10% that uses a >24" monitor. So my office co-workers aren't that techy. But back to the point, I definitely think that with a Surface, I wouldn't mind getting a bigger laptop for extra power or even a desktop pc instead because I do code and i7 ulv is still not that great especially when plugged into larger monitors. I still would be able to bring a mobile device around to take notes and present unlike my colleagues who typically stick with notebooks. And if I need any information stored on my main computer, I can still RDP into it and grab it. Unfortunately my office network uses a proprietary VPN so that will take some figuring out and it doesn't seem that usb keys work either.
Just some food for thought for myself.
Has anyone had luck with microHDMI to DVI cables so far? Also, what is the easiest way for me to play music through my desktop PC to my speakers while I'm on my surface?
Just some food for thought for myself.
Has anyone had luck with microHDMI to DVI cables so far? Also, what is the easiest way for me to play music through my desktop PC to my speakers while I'm on my surface?
Xplatformer
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Yes, it would be pretty helpful. It would NOT be the most popular app. Not by a long shot (unless the Surface can't play .mp4 files)
Surface run over by car:
http://forums.wpcentral.com/surface-windows-rt/202040.htm
http://forums.wpcentral.com/surface-windows-rt/202040.htm
mFTP (http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/app/dfe1a5c4-2afc-4f3d-a383-2211510a6d35)
Notepad RT (http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/app/592a5cf2-f685-49a2-9242-8aa7c284c333)
Slowly trickling in.
Gorki247
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Didn't have to do any of that. My wireless receiver was correctly identified no problem.
Xplatformer
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Surface RT is getting a lot of slack....but for the life of me, it's the perfect tablet for me (haven't even picked it up yet).
I wish I didn't have to drive 30 miles to try one out.
I wish I didn't have to drive 30 miles to try one out.
plagiarize
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You were asked what you thought the most popular desktop apps were. you replied to that question with the single answer of 'VLC'. so...
Oh, good. Google Search app is now out for RT.
Google Search (http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/app/308dc145-6851-487d-b83b-1223a3b52dc2)
Sorry MS, but Bing still sucks.
Edit: Ugh, performance is bad. What are you trying to do Google, bringing your Android flavour? Also why are you showing me the mobile version of Google Reader. Someone give Google a Surface please.
Google Search (http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/app/308dc145-6851-487d-b83b-1223a3b52dc2)
Sorry MS, but Bing still sucks.
Edit: Ugh, performance is bad. What are you trying to do Google, bringing your Android flavour? Also why are you showing me the mobile version of Google Reader. Someone give Google a Surface please.
I've completely turned around my views of Bing in large part because of the app. The app presentation and live tile runs circles around Google, IMO. I really like the way it presents the search results in a never ending ribbon. I don't go to Google at all anymore and that was a hard habit to break.
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So I'm seriously considering just getting the RT over the Pro, since I just need it for this:
Does it fulfill my needs?
- Typing up documents for school
- Watching Netflix/Hulu/any other HD vid
- Browsing
Does it fulfill my needs?
Sure. Still waiting for mkv support though. If you want to type full documents, definitely consider the type cover instead.
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Hm, really? Why not the touch cover? Was going to pick it just for aesthetics.
It's still easier to make mistakes on this because it's only pressure sensitive. Maybe if you're already used to making heavy strokes on your keyboard, it might be less of an issue.
"Apps" - Plural. I would say VLC is one of the most popular desktop apps that wont run on RT. You disagree?
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I'm gonna go to the MS Store and try it out there. Thanks though.
Xplatformer
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What is up with people buying keyboards? Why not simply use bluetooth devices or plug a keyboard into the USB slot?
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Anyone here using MS Word and having no problems with the touch cover? I saw the lag video, but heard that gets fixed by fully installing Office via update.
Plenty of reasons. Weight, portability, working damn well with the integrated kickstand, and also, you're going to bring that device showing on tv and you can't do the click thing?
The keyboard is so incredibly convenient to use compared to a separate keyboard. Plus you can wash it.
Showed some workmates today - they were very impressed.
The keyboard is the cover. It protects it. You can also fold the cover back behind the device or partially fold it back and rest the kickstand on it for sitting it on your stomach or lap in bed. Compare that to a keyboard you have to carry around separately. If you have to start carrying around extra stuff for it you lose some of the joy in carrying a compact device around with you.
I occasionally get lag for about 10 seconds after I start Word. After that it's fine - I guess it's dumping memory or something.
The keyboard is the cover. It protects it. You can also fold the cover back behind the device or partially fold it back and rest the kickstand on it for sitting it on your stomach or lap in bed. Compare that to a keyboard you have to carry around separately. If you have to start carrying around extra stuff for it you lose some of the joy in carrying a compact device around with you.
I occasionally get lag for about 10 seconds after I start Word. After that it's fine - I guess it's dumping memory or something.
plagiarize
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right. you were asked to name the most popular apps on desktops and you only named one. is it really that confusing to you how we thought you were saying it was THE most popular app on the system?
If you asked me to name the best football players and I responded with a single name, would you think I was randomly picking one of the best players rather than telling you who I thought was THE best?
Hopefully you can understand why we felt you were claiming VLC was the most popular desktop application now.
I have no idea how popular vlc is. I know people that swear by it, and people that wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. We just need a good mkv player. It doesn't need to be VLC.
The lag was the Preview version. Absolutely no issues with the full install.
Works fine for me. I remote into my desktop and do development work all the time with it.
DisplayMate finds that the Surface screen is great and I agree.
http://www.displaymate.com/Surface_RT_ShootOut_1.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/Surface_RT_ShootOut_1.htm
I've considered this but 2GB ram and 32GB space is no real laptop alternative.
Plus as it stands the Windows store is a heap of shit and is in no way going to be able to fully replace either my iPad or Macbook.
I'm going to wait because right now it can't beat my tablet or laptop.
infinityBCRT
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Wish they'd just release a BT/Xbox 360 hybrid controller (much like the wireless headset they recently released) so that you didn't have to rely on that dongle.
Xplatformer
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What if all a person uses their laptop for are the things the individual mentioned?
Typing docs
Hulu/Netflix/Movie watching
Movies
Hell...even connecting USB devices (printers/cameras/external hard drives)
2gb RAM + 20GB available local storage plus cloud solutions...why wouldn't the Surface be enough for "that" laptop user?
(Completely agree that right now the Microsoft store is a work in progress)
This is exactly what I use mine for. Except I type/read documents and spreadsheets for work. I also have a work issued laptop, but I hate lugging that thing around 24/7 and this is a perfect solution for me.