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Nah, that's too much effort. Better to just leave idols casually buried beneath rocks close to camp that cameramen can direct Production's favorites towards.
Survivor 26: Caramoan |OT| Fans (Recruits) vs. Favorites (Crazy People)
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I don't think that's bad at all. It tells you who MIGHT have an idol? So what? It gives control over who has access to social game during their exile stay, but it gives the exile control over their own destiny, and it gives interesting talking points either way (Whether that person has an idol or not is a pretty big gamble from both sides, but there are lots of ways to play it). I like Exile
Heck, you can take away the idol for all I care but I think it works better with both give and take.
Velcro Fly
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I've always wished they'd do a season with the all time losers of the series. Just pick 20 people who have done dumb things to get voted out. Bring back the guy that got voted out with two idols in his pocket. Bring back a guy like Tyson who made a dumb move and got voted out. Bring back the guy that got eliminated by the damn purple rock. I'm really terrible with remembering names and seasons and even missed quite a few seasons while I was in college so I have no idea if there are that many players out there who would fit into this at all. That or just a hall of fame type season are the only real returning player type of seasons I'd ever want to see really. I think giving players who have been spectacular failures a second shot at the game all at the same time would be fun to see personally.
It is. It's actually hugely important to making Idols work right that there be confusion/mystery in the air to start about who has them.I don't think that's bad at all. It tells you who MIGHT have an idol? So what? It gives control over who has access to social game during their exile stay, but it gives the exile control over their own destiny, and it gives interesting talking points either way (Whether that person has an idol or not is a pretty big gamble from both sides, but there are lots of ways to play it). I like Exile
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This idea only works if Francesca gets to play for a 3rd time and still gets voted out first.
matthewwhatever
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I love this idea, but no way does Paschal (purple rock guy) belong on your list. He played a pretty good game, and getting eliminated by random chance isn't his fault.
Him aside, though? I'd love to see, like, Survivor: Second Chances, where it's all people who got eliminated early. Francesca can come back, but only if her tribe promises to vote her out first for a third time. Otherwise, no thanks.
SecretMoblin
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I'm generally sympathetic to the "they had their chance and blew it" argument, but there were some early boots who seemed like great characters with some game-playing potential.
Still: it would mean yet another season of returning players, and we know by now that producers would heavily favor big characters over gamers.
That concept spoiler for next season is really something else, if true. I've long since given up hope for a "Back to Basics" season with new players, two tribes, no sideshows, no hidden immunity idols, no challenge "advantages", and a final two.
Also, I know the recruit thing inspires a lot of passion in Survivor fandom, but I don't think applicants are necessarily preferable. Heidik was a recruit if I recall, as were Penner, Yul, Fishbach, fan fave Shane Powers, and the best person to ever play, Courtney Yates. Cochran was touted as being a massive fan of the game prior to South Pacific, and we all remember the listless, uninspired game he played.
Still: it would mean yet another season of returning players, and we know by now that producers would heavily favor big characters over gamers.
That concept spoiler for next season is really something else, if true. I've long since given up hope for a "Back to Basics" season with new players, two tribes, no sideshows, no hidden immunity idols, no challenge "advantages", and a final two.
Also, I know the recruit thing inspires a lot of passion in Survivor fandom, but I don't think applicants are necessarily preferable. Heidik was a recruit if I recall, as were Penner, Yul, Fishbach, fan fave Shane Powers, and the best person to ever play, Courtney Yates. Cochran was touted as being a massive fan of the game prior to South Pacific, and we all remember the listless, uninspired game he played.
Crazymoogle
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(Thanks for the info on Hatch; the article made it sound like he wasn't getting back his passport any decade soon, so good for him if he got it back.)
I love the Hidden Immunity Idol as a play mechanic. It really does force alliances to shake up their thinking, which is even more important in modern survivor, where savvy players quickly learn never to jeopardize an alliance, even if they are stuck on the bottom of it. The clues system has been a total failure but idols by themselves are interesting to watch.
The problem with old school seasons is two-fold:
1. Too expensive to go back to survival-first. Social intrigue is just much cheaper in the end in terms of players needed, challenges used, and the amount of contingency planning needed to keep the cast and crew alive. I would love to see another Australia season but I think they had too many problems to do it again without a budget rise. (The car challenge is also missed...)
2. Too difficult to cast the ideal set of players (likable, capable, willing, healthy, and completely unaware of the game). Just take a look at shows like Hell's Kitchen to see what happens if your show develops a reputation and a history. At some point you either have the dregs or you bring back past challengers.
If anything I think a game of players that made final tribal and lost would be more interesting than winners. There are a ton of players in Survivor history with unfinished business.
I love the Hidden Immunity Idol as a play mechanic. It really does force alliances to shake up their thinking, which is even more important in modern survivor, where savvy players quickly learn never to jeopardize an alliance, even if they are stuck on the bottom of it. The clues system has been a total failure but idols by themselves are interesting to watch.
The problem with old school seasons is two-fold:
1. Too expensive to go back to survival-first. Social intrigue is just much cheaper in the end in terms of players needed, challenges used, and the amount of contingency planning needed to keep the cast and crew alive. I would love to see another Australia season but I think they had too many problems to do it again without a budget rise. (The car challenge is also missed...)
2. Too difficult to cast the ideal set of players (likable, capable, willing, healthy, and completely unaware of the game). Just take a look at shows like Hell's Kitchen to see what happens if your show develops a reputation and a history. At some point you either have the dregs or you bring back past challengers.
If anything I think a game of players that made final tribal and lost would be more interesting than winners. There are a ton of players in Survivor history with unfinished business.
SecretMoblin
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I think the major argument against the final two - at least the one Probst endorses - is that it's less exciting because it produces lopsided votes and thus it is easier to predict a victor. It's a much more viable strategy to try and sit next to a goat to the end, which ostensibly makes things less exciting and the winners less "deserving". Sandra detractors in particular bring that up.
But I don't think a final three totally alleviates those issues.
But I don't think a final three totally alleviates those issues.
KuwabaraTheMan
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This season just keeps sounding d umber and dumber. Why would they ever do that?
Shane was an applicant, not a recruit.
Otherwise, I agree. Recruits in of themselves aren't a problem. There have been some very memorable and good players who were recruits. I do think that recruiting a bunch of folks for a season called "Fans vs Favorites" is kind of shady, and I wish they recruited less duds, but there's nothing wrong with having some recruits in general.
matthewwhatever
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Considering we just saw someone win 9-0-0...yeah. In fact, the last couple of seasons have all led to lopsided victories: Denise (won 6-1-1), Kim (7-2-0), Boston Rob (8-1-0), Sophie (6-3-0). The last time we had a close finale was Nicaragua, when Fabio won 5-4-0. Clearly, people have adapted to a Final 3, to the point where I can't imagine Final 2 would produce anything more lopsided.
It doesn't, but the issue is that, say Becky wins the F3 IC in Cook Islands. She's actually just straight up picking a winner.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Of course, this can happen with a Final 3, too. Russell wins the final immunity challenge in Heroes vs Villains and then picks a winner. Skupin in Philippines also picks a winner. They might not have realized that's what they were doing, but they were.
VGChampion
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I swear he's trying to kill off this show because he wants to move on. There's no way that's a good idea. If you want that idea at least go back to the
Outcast tribe idea.
It's funny how S25 could have been sort of a "China" season, start a rise in quality, and now according to rumors we're getting this stuff. I don't even mind the cast all that much, sure it's not what it could have been, but these news just mean they're trying to
28 must be
milk the twist for maximum drama. Rupert in the audience while his wife gets beaten in a duel? "AAARGH!"
28 must be
the season when Russell gets to handpick the team(s) as he's said that's a way he'd come back
Except I'm not sure how you think it makes it a non-mystery. It gives that aura of mystery to everyone sent there, and everyone allied with them. Sure, you can argue usually you just have to wonder if EVERYONE has one always, but to me that's not interesting, it just becomes a standard part of the equation for every single scenario.
It creates incentive problems. I found an Idol in an ORG once, told no one about it whatsoever, then blasted someone in a (5)-1 vote to protect myself because people were sure I didn't have it due to my behavior.
You can't do that sort of thing when only a few people might even have access to the idol.
SlowRevolution
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which is weird because everything he's attempted outside of survivor has failed horribly
Fire Jeff and bring in Colby. He's a better Jeff on Top Shot than Jeff's been in years.
Incendiary
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Personally, my votes for Penner. He gives Probst enough shit when he's on a season that it makes me think he'd be great in the host spot.
KuwabaraTheMan
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I'd be concerned that if any former player were to become the host, they'd be too much of a camera hog, and wind up distracting from the players.
Probst inserts himself a bit too much into certain things, but he still mostly stays in the background of the show.
Probst inserts himself a bit too much into certain things, but he still mostly stays in the background of the show.
Razgriz-Specter
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Thats what I have been thinking since the rumors of Jeff wanting to quit started.
Top Shot is probably done for good after this season if they wanted him.
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I'd ok with that.
SlowRevolution
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Colby actually listens to the fans, too. The first few seasons of Top Shot, especially, he did a great job engaging the audience on Twitter and changing up different elements of the show and the editing. That show improved a ton season by season. His complaints about Survivor after Heroes vs. Villains were all spot on, too. His only big weakness would probably be at Tribal Council, but having a host not interfere there so much would be a nice change.
Penner would be great too but I don't think it's as likely.
As long as it's not Boston Rob.
Penner would be great too but I don't think it's as likely.
As long as it's not Boston Rob.
SuperSonic1305
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First winner that I wanted to win since JT.
VGChampion
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Dammit, I'm two minutes into that video and the reunion is so much better. And I'm not even just bandwagonning onto the recent reunion hate, I'm talking in years just so we're all on the same page still. It's just so depressing.
The Wanderer
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What were Colby's complaints about Heroes/Villians?
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Don't remember,
though I do remember a complaint about his' edit.
IIRC he missed the survival aspects and having more freedom. He looked bored and useless the whole season.
Incendiary
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Essentially production roped them off and only allowed them into certain points on the island, negating their freedom and exploration and survival aspects from the early seasons (as we've seen from watching the show itself). So he wasn't enjoying himself.
Some locations let them roam wild. Some have tight restrictions -it depends where they're shooting.
They should just shoot one in an IKEA. Klippan tribe versus the Ektorp tribe (merge name: Karlstad). All challenges take place in the Smaland ball pit.
The Wanderer
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Any reason why they did this? Must have been quite a difference from Australia where they were able to walk miles away without encountering anything like that. Goshen Station is massive (and beautiful).
For a moment I thought you said Colton! I was trying to picture it.
"A'ight y'all let's get this party started bitches! Now, LaQueisha is the only black person remaining, so by default, LaQueisha you are the fifteenth person voted out and you will NOT be a member of the jury, SNAP!!"
hoverboarder
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And I agree that Colby could replace Jeff to where I'd be fine with it. I actually said the same recently. As long as they replace the host with a well loved Survivor player, that would be an effective way of not alienating the part of the fan base that does like Jeff. I'm neutral on him. Wouldn't mind him staying, but Colby is not a bad option for a replacement.
I'd also like to see more names of crazy contestants (like Colton) who could replace Jeff as host. I'd like to see THE SPECIALIST running Survivor.
matthewwhatever
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Phillip would be so terrible. Can you imagine him trying to pronounce everyone's names?
My preferences would be Penner (arguably best talker the show has ever had), Boston Rob (recognizing he's kind of polarizing, but I personally love him) or...I don't know. A woman would be a nice change of pace, and wouldn't be compared to Probst quite as much. What great female talkers has the show had...Denise from last year, maybe? Eliza? Sugar?
Left-field choices: Bill from One World (the target of Colton's racism -- but I vaguely recall him filling in when Probst was off for a challenge. Don't remember whether he was any good.) or Hairy Ralph from Redemption Island (since he'd probably have to ask the tribes for help in reading the votes).
SlowRevolution
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Boston Rob would be a horrible host.
CitizenVectron
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If you want a more distant (and classic from earlier seasons) host then Colby would be good. If you want a more analytical and interventionist host, then Penner would be good. Both have their merits, but neither will ever get the chance.
Coming back to this, I would have a list for 20, 18, and 16 players.
20 players:
MEN
Richard Hatch (Borneo, All-Stars)
Brian Heidik (Thailand)
Chris Daugherty (Vanuatu)
Tom Westman (Palau, Heroes vs. Villains)
Aras Baskauskas (Panama, Blood vs. Water)
Yul Kwon (Cook Islands)
Earl Cole (Fiji)
Todd Herzog (China)
J.T. Thomas (Tocantins, Heroes vs. Villains)
Rob Mariano (Marquesas, All-Stars, Heroes vs. Villains, Redemption Island)
WOMEN
Tina Wesson (The Australian Outback, All-Stars, Blood vs. Water)
Vecepia Towery (Marquesas)
Jenna Morasca (The Amazon, All-Stars)
Sandra Diaz-Twine (Pearl Islands, Heroes vs. Villains)
Danni Boatwright (Guatemala)
Parvati Shallow (Cook Islands, Micronesia ~ Fans vs. Favorites I, Heroes vs. Villlains)
Natalie White (Samoa)
Sophie Clarke (South Pacific)
Kim Spradlin (One World)
Denise Stapley (Philippines)
Cut Amber for obvious reasons, there is no way she would be on a season along with Rob, and I'm not cutting Rob.
Cut Bob because of age and unpopularity, Fabio because of his season being unpopular and his gameplay, Ethan because of his tenuous health situation, and Cochran because he's very recently said he won't come back, and that's tough to ignore.
18 players:
MEN
Richard Hatch (Borneo, All-Stars)
Chris Daugherty (Vanuatu)
Tom Westman (Palau, Heroes vs. Villains)
Aras Baskauskas (Panama, Blood vs. Water)
Yul Kwon (Cook Islands)
Earl Cole (Fiji)
Todd Herzog (China)
J.T. Thomas (Tocantins, Heroes vs. Villains)
Rob Mariano (Marquesas, All-Stars, Heroes vs. Villains, Redemption Island)
WOMEN
Tina Wesson (The Australian Outback, All-Stars, Blood vs. Water)
Vecepia Towery (Marquesas)
Jenna Morasca (The Amazon, All-Stars)
Sandra Diaz-Twine (Pearl Islands, Heroes vs. Villains)
Danni Boatwright (Guatemala)
Parvati Shallow (Cook Islands, Micronesia ~ Fans vs. Favorites I, Heroes vs. Villlains)
Sophie Clarke (South Pacific)
Kim Spradlin (One World)
Denise Stapley (Philippines)
Cut Brian because of his real-life troubles and psychopathy, cut Natalie for obvious reasons.
16 players:
MEN
Richard Hatch (Borneo, All-Stars)
Chris Daugherty (Vanuatu)
Tom Westman (Palau, Heroes vs. Villains)
Yul Kwon (Cook Islands)
Earl Cole (Fiji)
Todd Herzog (China)
J.T. Thomas (Tocantins, Heroes vs. Villains)
Rob Mariano (Marquesas, All-Stars, Heroes vs. Villains, Redemption Island)
WOMEN
Tina Wesson (The Australian Outback, All-Stars, Blood vs. Water)
Vecepia Towery (Marquesas)
Jenna Morasca (The Amazon, All-Stars)
Sandra Diaz-Twine (Pearl Islands, Heroes vs. Villains)
Parvati Shallow (Cook Islands, Micronesia ~ Fans vs. Favorites I, Heroes vs. Villlains)
Sophie Clarke (South Pacific)
Kim Spradlin (One World)
Denise Stapley (Philippines)
Cut Aras and Danni for no particular reason. There's 3 casts for any possible player count.
UberTag
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Not a who. A what. Redemption Island. Possible it was a troll of epic proportions but we'll see in a few months.
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I won't comment on the placement spoilers as GAF is not fond of people doing that even with spoiler tags, but it does appear that this will be
the 3rd consecutive season filmed around the Philippines and that RC and her father have been replaced by Candice Woodcock and her husband.
The Wanderer
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For anyone still thinking they were, Rob C and his wife Nicole are NOT on this season, despite previous reports.
Rob milked that for as long as he could.
The Wanderer
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Yeah, they admitted to having a bit of fun with it. I don't think he ever really was going to be on it because they've known about the baby for many months now, and he said he wouldn't leave her alone while she was pregnant.
S27 cast discussion:
I hope the rumours of RC's axing aren't accurate. She's potentially a great player, and that body...
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