Survivor 26: Caramoan |OT| Fans (Recruits) vs. Favorites (Crazy People)

Status
Not open for further replies.
I think they could make it more interesting by focusing more (again) on the survival aspect. When was the last time we saw anyone catch a pig or a fish or something like that? I'm sure it happens still, even though Ozzy has probably caught 1/2 of all the fish ever eaten on Survivor.

Otherwise it's just turning into Big Brother: Tropical Island.
 
Parch said:
Good or bad? Ratings will tell, but it certainly puts Probst in the spotlight as the Survivor antagonist as he screws over some contestants and benefits others. If Big Brother is any measurement, making the game unfair hasn't really hurt the ratings.
Click to expand...

You make a pretty good argument. Probst's goal is to keep the show airing, which means his top priority likely is ratings -- and he's just experimenting and trying to figure out how to improve or maintain them. I mean, he wants the show to be as good as possible, too, I'm sure. But his incentives are to keep it going.

I guess I just don't think his methods are the best way. But being some kind of Survivor purist (whatever that may mean) probably wouldn't do the trick either. Maybe there's nothing he could do.

On the plus side, I liked that they returned to some good water challenges this past year. Survivor's always better for that. I wish it led to some good fishing stuff, too. Like RileyLewis posted, I really like when they provide for themselves out there.
 
The problem is that returning players have an absurd edge over new ones. Every time they've had one, at least one has made the finals. And Jeff doesn't understand the issue with people not just wanting to see stars- part of the excitement of watching the show is discovering who these people are. You don't get that w/ returnees.
 
If I were to complain about Jeff, it would be that I think he sometimes reveals too much at tribals. The way he chooses topics and chooses who to talk to about those topics sort of gives away information that is supposed to be secret to some of the players. It would suck to have your plan ruined because Jeff indirectly told on you.
 
kirblar said:
The problem is that returning players have an absurd edge over new ones. Every time they've had one, at least one has made the finals. And Jeff doesn't understand the issue with people not just wanting to see stars- part of the excitement of watching the show is discovering who these people are. You don't get that w/ returnees.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I totally agree. Unfortunately, the recent seasons with no returnees haven't been well-received, so they're going to be rare, if we get more of them at all. I'd even settle for what it looked like they were doing up until this year: one season per year with returnees and one per year without.
 
When you bring in recruits instead of actual interested applicants, what do you expect? We can only take so many useless players in a given season. It's why Russell was so entertaining the first time, because the rest of his season was completely braindead.

RECRUITS are the problem, imo.
 
TheYanger said:
When you bring in recruits instead of actual interested applicants, what do you expect? We can only take so many useless players in a given season. It's why Russell was so entertaining the first time, because the rest of his season was completely braindead.

RECRUITS are the problem, imo.
Click to expand...

That's a great point.

Or hey! Open it up to Canadians too! Survivor is the #1 show in Canada but Canadians can't participate or start their own show due to rights issues.

Let us in, baby!
 
TheYanger said:
When you bring in recruits instead of actual interested applicants, what do you expect? We can only take so many useless players in a given season. It's why Russell was so entertaining the first time, because the rest of his season was completely braindead.

RECRUITS are the problem, imo.
Click to expand...

The rest of Samoa was certainly not brain dead, they were just edited out of the show so that we could get more Russell shoved down our throats. Aside from some of the early boots, pretty much everyone who made the merge was an interesting character or a savvy player. The editors just elected to give us the Russell show instead of letting us have more time seeing folks like Dave Ball, John Fincher, Monica, Laura, and the rest of them.
 
TheYanger said:
When you bring in recruits instead of actual interested applicants, what do you expect? We can only take so many useless players in a given season. It's why Russell was so entertaining the first time, because the rest of his season was completely braindead.

RECRUITS are the problem, imo.
Click to expand...
Funny thing was that Galu weren't braindead- but it only took two bad players (John/Shambo) to completely sink their tribe.
 
J-Rod said:
If I were to complain about Jeff, it would be that I think he sometimes reveals too much at tribals. The way he chooses topics and chooses who to talk to about those topics sort of gives away information that is supposed to be secret to some of the players. It would suck to have your plan ruined because Jeff indirectly told on you.
Click to expand...
I think he talks to everyone every more or less but editing biases the stories we are shown.
 
BowieZ said:
I think he talks to everyone every more or less but editing biases the stories we are shown.
Click to expand...

Yeah, Tribal usually lasts for hours, but they cut it down to only about 10 minutes. They're not going to show all the footage of questions that don't go anywhere or have any bearing on the story.
 
Jeff hate? He's been at this for 13 years and does a way better job than any other TV Show Host. When he's done with the show, the show is done.

Also, I actually enjoyed the reunion show much better this time. It sucks for the others, but it does get ridiculous when you have like 20 people on stage and they each talk 12 seconds, it was nice to have some lengthier discussions. But, with all that said I do hope it goes back to normal, it's too sucky not to be included. At least give the losers a montage or let them speak.

But, I was only really interested in hearing what Brandon has to say... guess the Hanz give up.

Gunloc said:
Would you mind spoiler posting it?
Click to expand...

Yes this please.

Harry Potter said:
That cast list for next season is terrible.
Click to expand...

I want the fucking season where they bring back 20 of the Million Dollar winners to compete.
 
Jeff hate? He's been at this for 13 years and does a way better job than any other TV Show Host. When he's done with the show, the show is done.
Click to expand...
It's not his hosting job that people are criticizing, it's his run as showrunner from S21+.

Brandon was banned from the reunion because Russell threatened Phillip. Brandon NEVER should have been cast and should have been pulled pre-game, every single reporter out there covering them was very concerned pre-game and thought he was going to melt down.

And all-winners seems to be likely to be S30.
 
Harry Potter said:
-----SEASON 27 CAST SPOILER-----
http://i.imgur.com/2OBFtrr.jpg
Click to expand...

This. Is not what I wanted. Weird choice...
kirblar said:
It's not his hosting job that people are criticizing, it's his run as showrunner from S21+.

Brandon was banned from the reunion because Russell threatened Phillip. Brandon NEVER should have been cast and should have been pulled pre-game, every single reporter out there covering them was very concerned pre-game and thought he was going to melt down.

And all-winners seems to be likely to be S30.
Click to expand...

Ahhh, good to know! Thanks. Hopefully you're right for S30, that'd be interesting.

Also, wasn't Cochran a gaffer? Has he ever returned here? Or is he too cool for us now?
 
Darknessbear said:
I want the fucking season where they bring back 20 of the Million Dollar winners to compete.
Click to expand...
Out of the 25 Survivor winners so far, which would you NOT invite back to play again and why?

MEN (14)

Richard Hatch (Borneo, All-Stars)
Ethan Zohn (Africa, All-Stars)
Brian Heidik (Thailand)
Chris Daugherty (Vanuatu)
Tom Westman (Palau, Heroes vs. Villains)
Aras Baskauskas (Panama, Blood vs. Water)
Yul Kwon (Cook Islands)
Earl Cole (Fiji)
Todd Herzog (China)
Bob Crowley (Gabon)
J.T. Thomas (Tocantins, Heroes vs. Villains)
Jud "Fabio" Birza (Nicaragua)
Rob Mariano (Marquesas, All-Stars, Heroes vs. Villains, Redemption Island)
John Cochran (South Pacific, Caramoan ~ Fans vs. Favorites II)

WOMEN (11)

Tina Wesson (The Australian Outback, All-Stars, Blood vs. Water)
Vecepia Towery (Marquesas)
Jenna Morasca (The Amazon, All-Stars)
Sandra Diaz-Twine (Pearl Islands, Heroes vs. Villains)
Amber Mariano (The Australian Outback, All-Stars)
Danni Boatwright (Guatemala)
Parvati Shallow (Cook Islands, Micronesia ~ Fans vs. Favorites I, Heroes vs. Villlains)
Natalie White (Samoa)
Sophie Clarke (South Pacific)
Kim Spradlin (One World)
Denise Stapley (Philippines)

At the moment, I would keep the gender balance even (10 each) and exclude Amber (due to her obvious advantage of having Boston Rob in the game), Bob (due to his age - now 62), Fabio (due to being somewhat of an idiot) and... hmmm... the last two cuts are all kinds of hard.

Ethan would have been easy if he was still battling cancer but he's in the clear as of right now. Earl's already turned down invites to play again. Yul would actually be tough to get back again due to him actually having a professional career that a lot of the other winners lack. Richard's not in jail - man, I'm somewhat stumped on the 3rd & 4th guys I would exclude.
 
I think I saw somewhere Cochran wouldn't play again as it's only downhill plus we did just see him. And we'll have three seasons of winners to choose from before 30.
 
Rob and Amber are almost certainly not coming back, and Ethan is highly unlikely due to his health.

That leaves us with exactly 10 women, and then 12 men. I would probably say cut Fabio and Bob (age could be a concern), but Brian has apparently alienated just about everyone involved with the show and really torched his chances of coming back, so he'd probably be out, and that would mean one of them back in (or a future winner, depending on how many more there are to choose from when this would happen).
 
KuwabaraTheMan said:
Rob and Amber are almost certainly not coming back, and Ethan is highly unlikely due to his health.
Click to expand...
Ethan is cancer-free as of right now. Just saying. He could play again so long as he stays in the clear for the next year.
I've also never heard Rob go on record saying he would never play Survivor again. It's not like having two young daughters at home kept him from playing the game for a 4th time in 2011.
Heidik is unlikely given the bridges he's burned... just because CBS wouldn't invite him back doesn't mean I wouldn't. I'd definitely love to see him play again.

VGChampion said:
I think I saw somewhere Cochran wouldn't play again as it's only downhill plus we did just see him. And we'll have three seasons of winners to choose from before 30.
Click to expand...
Cochran's win is pretty fresh. I'd let him mull over his options but I doubt he'd turn down the chance to play the game with 19 other winners if given the opportunity.
Coming back and playing in a Fans vs. Favorites or All-Stars format with other returnees who haven't won? Sure. But 19 other winners? I think he'd be there.
 
UberTag said:
Ethan is cancer-free as of right now. Just saying. He could play again so long as he stays in the clear for the next year.
I've also never heard Rob go on record saying he would never play Survivor again. It's not like having two young daughters at home kept him from playing the game for a 4th time in 2011.
Heidik is unlikely given the bridges he's burned... just because CBS wouldn't invite him back doesn't mean I wouldn't. I'd definitely love to see him play again.
Click to expand...

Rob did say when he appeared on RHAP last year in pretty certain terms that he wouldn't play again, even for an all winners season. His story could change on that in the future, but he has been pretty clear about saying he's done and that he feels like he accomplished everything he set out to.

I'm glad Ethan's doing well, but I think he'll need to stay healthy for a little longer before anyone would feel comfortable putting him on an island for 39 days. But we can hope that he will be able to come back in a couple of years.
 
KuwabaraTheMan said:
Rob did say when he appeared on RHAP last year in pretty certain terms that he wouldn't play again, even for an all winners season. His story could change on that in the future, but he has been pretty clear about saying he's done and that he feels like he accomplished everything he set out to.

I'm glad Ethan's doing well, but I think he'll need to stay healthy for a little longer before anyone would feel comfortable putting him on an island for 39 days. But we can hope that he will be able to come back in a couple of years.
Click to expand...
He and Sandra definitely have nothing left to prove.
 
The problem with all winners is that a LOT of the best players and characters the game has had aren't among them. Not that it wouldn't be a great season, but people like Cirie and Rob C are vastly better than probably a third or more of the actual winners, and then you've got people like James and Coach and Tyson that are considerably more entertaining.
 
^ How is Cirie a great player if she's never made it to the final tribal after 3 attempts? lol



I'm waiting for the next Survivor: China. A great new location with a quirky, energetic new cast who seem like real fans of the game. Is that too much to ask?

Seriously, make S29 Japan or Vietnam or something and just nail the casting. No prettyboys, idiots, sassy bitches. One hot guy, one hot girl to boost ratings but that's it.
 
UberTag said:
Out of the 25 Survivor winners so far, which would you NOT invite back to play again and why?
Click to expand...
I would leave out Tina, Chris, Aras, Bob and Fabio. As you said, Bob is getting older. Fabio was a terrible winner and due to his being an idiot would probably make the end again, which I wouldn't want to see. I didn't like Chris very much either. The other two I'm not interested in seeing play again.

That's in an ideal world, though. As you said, Earl and Yul would be hard to get back, and they are probably the two players I'd most like to see again.

This also leaves two obvious pairs in the game (Amber+Rob and Ethan+Jenna - even though the latter have broken up), but I don't see CBS refusing to cast them for that reason. I wouldn't see that as an advantage, if anything it would paint a bigger target on those players.
 
BowieZ said:
^ How is Cirie a great player if she's never made it to the final tribal after 3 attempts? lol



I'm waiting for the next Survivor: China. A great new location with a quirky, energetic new cast who seem like real fans of the game. Is that too much to ask?

Seriously, make S29 Japan or Vietnam or something and just nail the casting. No prettyboys, idiots, sassy bitches. One hot guy, one hot girl to boost ratings but that's it.
Click to expand...
Because the only reason she didn't win S16 was a bad production call.
 
UberTag said:
Out of the 25 Survivor winners so far, which would you NOT invite back to play again and why?

MEN (14)

Richard Hatch (Borneo, All-Stars)
Ethan Zohn (Africa, All-Stars)
Brian Heidik (Thailand)
Chris Daugherty (Vanuatu)
Tom Westman (Palau, Heroes vs. Villains)
Aras Baskauskas (Panama, Blood vs. Water)
Yul Kwon (Cook Islands)
Earl Cole (Fiji)
Todd Herzog (China)
Bob Crowley (Gabon)
J.T. Thomas (Tocantins, Heroes vs. Villains)
Jud "Fabio" Birza (Nicaragua)
Rob Mariano (Marquesas, All-Stars, Heroes vs. Villains, Redemption Island)
John Cochran (South Pacific, Caramoan ~ Fans vs. Favorites II)

WOMEN (11)

Tina Wesson (The Australian Outback, All-Stars, Blood vs. Water)
Vecepia Towery (Marquesas)
Jenna Morasca (The Amazon, All-Stars)
Sandra Diaz-Twine (Pearl Islands, Heroes vs. Villains)
Amber Mariano (The Australian Outback, All-Stars)
Danni Boatwright (Guatemala)
Parvati Shallow (Cook Islands, Micronesia ~ Fans vs. Favorites I, Heroes vs. Villlains)
Natalie White (Samoa)
Sophie Clarke (South Pacific)
Kim Spradlin (One World)
Denise Stapley (Philippines)

At the moment, I would keep the gender balance even (10 each) and exclude Amber (due to her obvious advantage of having Boston Rob in the game), Bob (due to his age - now 62), Fabio (due to being somewhat of an idiot) and... hmmm... the last two cuts are all kinds of hard.

Ethan would have been easy if he was still battling cancer but he's in the clear as of right now. Earl's already turned down invites to play again. Yul would actually be tough to get back again due to him actually having a professional career that a lot of the other winners lack. Richard's not in jail - man, I'm somewhat stumped on the 3rd & 4th guys I would exclude.
Click to expand...

I'm fine with most of the one time winners competing again. But do we really need to see Rob, Parvati, Sandra, etc. I wouldn't mind seeing Chris, Yul, Todd, Sophie, Kim, Denise playing again. But if I had my way we would not see returning Survivors after Blood vs Water for at least several years. For the sake of it lets say 3 years 6 seasons of new players being allowed to create their own memorable moments, instead of having returnees school them and steal the spot light. The first all-stars season really was epic imo, and it was the 8th season, it was so fun seeing so many players return to the game again. The novelty has since long worn off seeing as how we see returning players every damn season.
 
Macka said:
This also leaves two obvious pairs in the game (Amber+Rob and Ethan+Jenna - even though the latter have broken up), but I don't see CBS refusing to cast them for that reason. I wouldn't see that as an advantage, if anything it would paint a bigger target on those players.
Click to expand...
Just to touch on kirblar's point above, while Rob may not have anything left to prove (most people wouldn't after playing Survivor 4 times and winning - and he is a reality TV whore so I still don't believe that precludes him), Amber most certainly does. Would be interesting to see if she could play the game WITHOUT Rob and be anything more than the pawn she was in Australia?

That being said, while I can see Rob leaving to play the game I'm not sure I can see Amber doing the same with now three young daughters to care for. And I highly doubt we'd get both of them. If that were to happen it would have happened in Season 27 where everyone has the advantage of a close family member on the show to align with.

kirblar said:
Because the only reason she didn't win S16 was a bad production call.
Click to expand...
Yeah, Cirie got screwed. It's no wonder she was targeted straight off in Heroes vs. Villains as they were ALL intimidated as hell by her gameplay ability.
 
BowieZ said:
^ How is Cirie a great player if she's never made it to the final tribal after 3 attempts? lol
Click to expand...
Man I hate this outlook. Just because Cirie (and other players) haven't made the end, if doesn't mean they are bad at the game. Take a LOOK at Cirie. Even if she was somehow able to hide the fact that she's fantastic socially and reasonably strategic, nobody is going to let such a likeable woman (and mother) into the F3. Complete idiots wouldn't let her get there.

That said, Cirie would have won the fuck out of Micronesia had James' medical evacuation not forced the editors to change the format to F2 instead of F3.
 
An all Winner season is extremely unlikely because some of them just don't want to play again, and there's only been 25 different winners. Even if you decrease the season to 16 or 18 players, there's just too many who would decline.
 
As a long time Survivor fan who has watched every season and sometime loathe returning players...

I would LOVE an all-winners season.
 
789shadow said:
An all Winner season is extremely unlikely because some of them just don't want to play again, and there's only been 25 different winners. Even if you decrease the season to 16 or 18 players, there's just too many who would decline.
Click to expand...

Aside from Romber, I'm not really sure about that. Pretty much every other winner I've heard speak about the idea has said they would return for it, and most winners sound like they want to come back anyway. I don't think they would have any trouble getting 20 winners to come back.
 
I'm actually not too worried about
Colton. I think either he's changed his shitty ways, or the other players will get sick of his shit immediately.
 
Parch said:
But rating are falling, and after so many seasons of just letting the game play out on it's own has covered every possible strategy and scenario. Perhaps that is getting boring. So now Probst is adding manipulation to the mix as something new.

We've seen what people think about this with Big Brother, and that's just production. With Probst as the host and directly influencing the game on camera, that brings a whole new level of manipulation to the game.

Good or bad? Ratings will tell, but it certainly puts Probst in the spotlight as the Survivor antagonist as he screws over some contestants and benefits others. If Big Brother is any measurement, making the game unfair hasn't really hurt the ratings.
Click to expand...

This is how I felt during the tribal council where Andrea was voted off (I think). Jeff kept mentioning how this would be a great time to blindside someone, asking people if they felt safe, etc. it was almost as if he was putting thoughts into people's heads which would cause them to change their strategy.

Granted, I just started getting into Survivor this season, so maybe this is common, but it felt as if Jeff was directly influencing the direction of the game somewhat. I didn't like that.

Edit: I just happened to check out Amazon's Instant Video store. The have seasons 21-25 available for free. Which would you guys recommend?
 
Crazymoogle said:
If this article is to be believed Hatch won't be in any future season of Survivor...
Click to expand...

Hatch has said that he believes that the legal issues which prevented him from being on Heroes vs Villains and Redemption Island have been resolved and that he will be able to return to Survivor in the future (obviously this would be barring any further issues, but he's sounded optimistic about this when discussing the matter).
 
Summary Man said:
This is how I felt during the tribal council where Andrea was voted off (I think). Jeff kept mentioning how this would be a great time to blindside someone, asking people if they felt safe, etc. it was almost as if he was putting thoughts into people's heads which would cause them to change their strategy.

Granted, I just started getting into Survivor this season, so maybe this is common, but it felt as if Jeff was directly influencing the direction of the game somewhat. I didn't like that.

Edit: I just happened to check out Amazon's Instant Video store. The have seasons 21-25 available for free. Which would you guys recommend?
Click to expand...
25 is great.
 
Summary Man said:
Jeff kept mentioning how this would be a great time to blindside someone, asking people if they felt safe, etc. it was almost as if he was putting thoughts into people's heads which would cause them to change their strategy.
Click to expand...

Pretty sure Jeff mentions this at every tribal. They film it for hours supposedly. That way, they have relevant footage that they can show based on how people end up voting.
 
Hulu Plus also has 1 and 21-24 for free as well, I really want them to get the older seasons and then I'll have more of a reason to keep my Hulu Plus subscription :p

iTunes has 9-current I do believe
 
RileyLewis said:
That's a great point.

Or hey! Open it up to Canadians too! Survivor is the #1 show in Canada but Canadians can't participate or start their own show due to rights issues.

Let us in, baby!
Click to expand...

Keep the dream alive! I read an interview with Mark Burnett where he said he'd be open to it if Global ponied up some money, so it might happen one day.

Tagg9 said:
Pretty sure Jeff mentions this at every tribal. They film it for hours supposedly. That way, they have relevant footage that they can show based on how people end up voting.
Click to expand...

I read somewhere that the "hours long" thing isn't true any more -- now he estimates most are over in 45 minutes, with the odd one or two going on for hours.

I also read (or maybe heard in that Klosterman interview) that he longer watches the daily footage anymore -- that now he has assistants who watch it, and let him know what to ask before TC starts. I don't know how true that is, but it might explain why he's so much more aggressive now than he used to be -- maybe he does it because he has less idea of what's going on.

Even if he did go back to watching the dailies, though, I don't think that would change much. He's pretty set as a host by now, and I can't imagine he has much incentive to change things up -- favoring the big personalities (and his man-crushes) probably makes putting the show together a lot easier.

I'd be happy if they went back to a purer version, personally. Fewer returning players, fewer shocking twists and challenge advantages, a little more emphasis on survival.
 
why

swwBo.png
 
Ugh. Bring back Exile and with HIDDEN idols that only those who get sent to exile can reasonably be expected to find. That was a good gimmick that had a lot of strategy implications all around.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

  • Poll
UFC 308: Topuria vs. Holloway - Abu Dhabi - October 26
Poll Event  2
77
3K
DGrayson replied
People need to see the Looney Tunes movie: "The Day The Earth Blew Up"
|OT| Opinion 
8
1K
MrTroubleMaker replied
  • Poll
Bath vs. Shower
2 3
105
3K
basement dweller replied
Any "The Practice" fans?
11
675
GeekyDad replied
Oscars 2025 |OT|
2
75
4K
Zathalus replied
Top Bottom