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Survivor: Heroes vs Villains - Thursdays at 8:00pm ET/PT (beginning Feb. 4th)!
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ErasureAcer said:
Don't agree at all. In my opinion the only players this entire season to make successful good/interesting strategic moves have been the Villains - Parvati, Sandra and Russell. On the heroes side, JT and Amanda had potential, but they ultimately made the wrong moves. Rupert was really the only hero to do anything worthwhile. Colby has been absolutely pathetic and Candice flip flopped way too easily as she did in the Cook Islands.
Russell did a good job "getting" to the end, but he somehow can't comprehend the way he's playing isn't going to get him any votes. Sure people always get stabbed in the back, but Russell takes it to the extreme. Even in the reward challenge with his wife, he just can't seem to get his mind out of the game. The game is for a million dollars sure, but he really needs to relax. One of the members in the final tribal last season made the point that he never got the time to get to know her personally, and while it seemed silly to me at the time, it's rare you see Russell having fun with the other players unless he just pulled off some big blindside.
Parvati/Sandra have this in the bag if they make it. Parvati has played the best all around game this season, and while Sandra didn't make as many big plays... She's done a lot of great strategical social moves to try and get herself further even if they didn't always work. She never just gave up like Colby, and it's not as though Russell didn't notice her hatred for him. She's been confident and one of the only ones to not let herself get completely intimidated by Russell, trying to get him out on multiple occasions. Now would be a stupid time to get rid of him since everyone realizes he's a free win.
FitzOfRage
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BigJonsson said:
They seriously must have paid Parvati to say the best part of the reward was having the Pre there to take pictures to capture the moment.
YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY BROADCAST QUALITY HD VIDEO CAMERAS AT ALL TIMES!!!! WTF?!
Manics said:
I don't think there is any way Colby is winning a million dollars. The dude is just awful at this point. The way he was yelling at his brother in the reward challenge? And then with his ass on the line he lasted ten seconds in the immunity challenge! I don't think anyone is going to vote for him, if I was Russell I'd want to take Colby and Jerri with me to the end.
Tim the Wiz
Banned
bill0527 said:
This.
My guess is Russell will be going after Sandra next episode. After her confrontation with him and her hidden immunity idol it seems like she could go next. Either that or he'll go for Parvati if she doesn't win again. Colby won't get too many votes and Jerri hasn't done a whole lot either so he should stick with them.
Guessing Sandra as well.
Usually I don't really mind people coasting to the final, especially if they were in a solid alliance that took them there... but Colby is one of the worst offenders ever, seeing how his alliance was dominated anyway. If he makes it to the final, there is no way he'll be winning, but if he somehow does it would ruin this season for me. And I'm never one to ever say that. :lol
Usually I don't really mind people coasting to the final, especially if they were in a solid alliance that took them there... but Colby is one of the worst offenders ever, seeing how his alliance was dominated anyway. If he makes it to the final, there is no way he'll be winning, but if he somehow does it would ruin this season for me. And I'm never one to ever say that. :lol
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
I agree w/ the consensus. Russell's best chance is to take Jerri and Colby with him.
I also thought the idea of taking Rupert and Colby was strong. The jury would've been stacked with his former alliance, and despite back-stabbing him, they woulda gone for it, I think.
Let's break down the Jury here in that scenario:
Coach - Russell
Courtney - Rupert
J.T. - Rupert
Amanda - Rupert
Candice - ???
Danielle - Russell
Parvarti - Russell
Sandra - Rupert
Jerri - Russell
It would've still been close, but I think he could've pulled it off. He really only would need to steal/sway one vote. And JT and Amanda would both be fence-sitters, along with Candice.
Votes he could lose would be Danielle, maybe Parvarti, but I think Parv, Coach and Jerri woulda stuck with him. That's a solid three votes when you only need 5.
I also thought the idea of taking Rupert and Colby was strong. The jury would've been stacked with his former alliance, and despite back-stabbing him, they woulda gone for it, I think.
Let's break down the Jury here in that scenario:
Coach - Russell
Courtney - Rupert
J.T. - Rupert
Amanda - Rupert
Candice - ???
Danielle - Russell
Parvarti - Russell
Sandra - Rupert
Jerri - Russell
It would've still been close, but I think he could've pulled it off. He really only would need to steal/sway one vote. And JT and Amanda would both be fence-sitters, along with Candice.
Votes he could lose would be Danielle, maybe Parvarti, but I think Parv, Coach and Jerri woulda stuck with him. That's a solid three votes when you only need 5.
Justin Timberlake
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Yeah, this season is really making Russell look bad. The only reason he is here is because Parvati and Sandra want him along for the ride; everyone knows that people on the jury absolutely hate him. If he was the threat he thinks he is, it would have been him over Rupert tonight.
This is Parvati and Sandra's game at this point. Parvati has played the best game; hell, if she wins this, I think she becomes the undisputed best player ever. Sandra has stuck in there, and has a shot to win, but I feel she is more vulnerable than Parvati in the next few, especially since Parvati is a late-game immunity monster (seriously, her balance, concentration, dexterity, and endurance are ridiculous. And thats what most of the final challenges come down to).
Parvati and Sandra are also known for amazing jury speeches. Parvati's jury performance in Micronesia was fucking legendary (a lot like Todd's in fact). If they both make it there, it'll be interesting to see them go head to head. It won't make a difference I think, because Parvati has like the entire jury on lockdown (small things like saying "HOT" to Danielle tonight add up), but it'd be fun to watch.
I think Sandra's only chance to win is if Parvati's gone. Parvati is too strong to go head to head against right now.
This is Parvati and Sandra's game at this point. Parvati has played the best game; hell, if she wins this, I think she becomes the undisputed best player ever. Sandra has stuck in there, and has a shot to win, but I feel she is more vulnerable than Parvati in the next few, especially since Parvati is a late-game immunity monster (seriously, her balance, concentration, dexterity, and endurance are ridiculous. And thats what most of the final challenges come down to).
Parvati and Sandra are also known for amazing jury speeches. Parvati's jury performance in Micronesia was fucking legendary (a lot like Todd's in fact). If they both make it there, it'll be interesting to see them go head to head. It won't make a difference I think, because Parvati has like the entire jury on lockdown (small things like saying "HOT" to Danielle tonight add up), but it'd be fun to watch.
nomster said:
I think Sandra's only chance to win is if Parvati's gone. Parvati is too strong to go head to head against right now.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
Now, alternatively, the best case scenario might be if he can get to the end with Colby and Sandra.
Coach - Russell
Courtney - Sandra/Colby
J.T. - Colby/Russell
Amanda - Colby/Russel
Candice - ???
Danielle - Sandra
Rupert - Colby
Parvarti - Russell
Jerri - Russell
I wouldn't put it past Russell to win here. I think Jerri would get more votes than Sandra. But Sandra can be tough with the jury. That said - you can argue that she's a former winner and doesn't deserve it again.
Coach - Russell
Courtney - Sandra/Colby
J.T. - Colby/Russell
Amanda - Colby/Russel
Candice - ???
Danielle - Sandra
Rupert - Colby
Parvarti - Russell
Jerri - Russell
I wouldn't put it past Russell to win here. I think Jerri would get more votes than Sandra. But Sandra can be tough with the jury. That said - you can argue that she's a former winner and doesn't deserve it again.
Justin Timberlake
Member
jstevenson said:
Russell is dead last right now. Colby would get more votes than Russell. If Russell makes it to the final 3 or 2, he is getting 0 votes. Everyone hates him. Watch the Ponderosa clips. The people you are listing voting him hate him. Last season proved how bad he is a jury speeches too, so he can't sway votes by smooth talking either. Hes fucked.
Russell wants to feel like its his strategy that got him this far, but in reality, its the fact that hes so unlikable. Smart players keep unlikable players around; they aren't threats.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
The Crimson Blur said:
After watching one clip - you're right. He has zero chance. Wow.
I think enough fair minded people will set aside their differences about Russell if he is up against a non-entity like Colby. I think the people playing the game respect it enough not to reward someone that has had absolutely zero effect on the game. Jerri has at least made some moves (although most have backfired for her) and won immunity/challenges to where you can make a justification for it.
Justin Timberlake
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ToxicAdam said:
I think it'd be close. I'd say Colby has the edge though, especially because the fact of the matter is that if he magically makes it to the end, he must have done something right in the next few votes (whether win immunity or make a new alliance) to stay in the game.
Its an impossible scenario though. Both have no chance.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
jstevenson said:
Every single person in the Ponderosa hates Russell. He would not have a chance. Danielle is still pissed. Coach has called him a scumbag on a few occasions. Courtney sure as shit wouldn't vote for him. He MIGHT get Parvati and Jerri's vote but thats about it.
EDIT: already been posted......
Incoming Russell Defense Force:
I can't verify with 100% proof, but I'm pretty sure that he did not know the outcome of his previous season before they started filming HvV. I'm pretty sure they had wrapped shooting HvV before the winner of the previous season was announced.
I believe that he showed up at HvV thinking that he had the previous season in the bag. This was before he knew that he got stung by a bitter jury at the finale.
I think this is why he used the exact same strategy, and even went a little more extreme with it.
Regardless whether that's the case or not, the guy has got to be mentally and physically tired for playing this game back-to-back. Probst has even eluded as much in his blog. Its hard enough to play this game once, but to go home for a few days and be called back to play it again, is very tough. He had to go back out there again before his body had a chance to recover. That's probably a big factor as to why we're seeing a Russell meltdown the last couple of weeks.
I can't verify with 100% proof, but I'm pretty sure that he did not know the outcome of his previous season before they started filming HvV. I'm pretty sure they had wrapped shooting HvV before the winner of the previous season was announced.
I believe that he showed up at HvV thinking that he had the previous season in the bag. This was before he knew that he got stung by a bitter jury at the finale.
I think this is why he used the exact same strategy, and even went a little more extreme with it.
Regardless whether that's the case or not, the guy has got to be mentally and physically tired for playing this game back-to-back. Probst has even eluded as much in his blog. Its hard enough to play this game once, but to go home for a few days and be called back to play it again, is very tough. He had to go back out there again before his body had a chance to recover. That's probably a big factor as to why we're seeing a Russell meltdown the last couple of weeks.
DrForester
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bill0527 said:
He looked pretty pissed at the finale of last season.
Zombie James
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DrForester said:
Russel was an idiot last season. He makes it to the final and then proceeds to tell everyone on the jury how stupid they were to get kicked off because of him. If he pulls the same shit again he won't win.
bill0527 said:
It is 100% true that he didn't know the outcome. None of the HvV cast had seen him before and the finale of Samoa would have aired after the season ran.
I agree with your post, but it seems like he's gone a little more cut throat this season. During Samoa he kept his tribe in line pretty much the whole way through without having to resort to flipping around.
MagicJackBauer
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This guy knows what he's talking about.BJK said:
Mercury Fred
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jey_16 said:
BJK said:
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^ :lol.
As far as voting goes, there's no way Coach/Danielle would vote for Russell. Anyone really think otherwise? :lol Can't wait to hear the speeches at tribal if he's in the end, especially Coach's spin about integrity.
I agree Russell's best change is to take Jerri/Colby, although I'd actually see Jerri getting votes in that scenario as well.
As far as voting goes, there's no way Coach/Danielle would vote for Russell. Anyone really think otherwise? :lol Can't wait to hear the speeches at tribal if he's in the end, especially Coach's spin about integrity.
I agree Russell's best change is to take Jerri/Colby, although I'd actually see Jerri getting votes in that scenario as well.
MagicJackBauer
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Mercury Fred said:
Die
VGChampion
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Parvati ugly? What show are you watching?
But anyways, there's no way Coach votes for Russell. Haven't any of you been watching Ponderosa? They all hate him and if Russell goes against someone who he would normally have a chance against winning, the jury is going to vote out of spite against Russell.
I can't see Coach, Courtney, or Danielle voting for Russell at all and the Heroes don't like him anyway. I honestly don't think there's a chance Russell can win unless they put aside all their feelings towards him and look at how many big moves he's made. But that rarely happens.
But anyways, there's no way Coach votes for Russell. Haven't any of you been watching Ponderosa? They all hate him and if Russell goes against someone who he would normally have a chance against winning, the jury is going to vote out of spite against Russell.
I can't see Coach, Courtney, or Danielle voting for Russell at all and the Heroes don't like him anyway. I honestly don't think there's a chance Russell can win unless they put aside all their feelings towards him and look at how many big moves he's made. But that rarely happens.
Mercury Fred
Banned
I vomited.MagicJackBauer said:Die
B-Rad Lascelle
Banned
It's rumored that the next season of Survivor will be shot inGalang said:
Nicaragua
That feeling you have about each place looking exactly the same as the next is going to continue as well as they plan to shoot two seasons back-to-back in the same location going forward. (I suppose the even seasons will now be the "gimmick" seasons... i.e. All-Stars, Exile Island, Fans vs. Favorites, Heroes vs. Villains, 4 tribes divided by race, etc.)
theusedversion
Member
B-Rad Lascelle said:
I want to see them go back to Africa where they have to put up a barrier to protect the contestants from lions. lol. Survivor + Lions = WIN
Zombie James
Banned
B-Rad Lascelle said:
I'll never get Survivor Alaska, will I?
So I take it this season will be a final three? I hate final three finales...
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
MagicJackBauer said:Die
Physically good looking but just a disgusting personality. That cackle and smile she always gives makes me want to puke.
Zombie James said:I'll never get Survivor Alaska, will I?
Hopefully not.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
Zombie James said:I'll never get Survivor Alaska, will I?
So I take it this season will be a final three? I hate final three finales...
You'll never get anywhere where all of the hot women they cast aren't in bikinis
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
Zombie James said:I'll never get Survivor Alaska, will I?
Not even Alaska, but any place up in the mountains with a cool climate would make for a great change.
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
Russell has a huge uphill battle here, I do think is best chance is to side with Colby right now and hope that either of the two of them win this first immunity challenge.
Then get Jerri to swing her vote for Parvati, then leaving him, Sandra, Jerri and Colby, next he would have to get everyone to vote Colby off. From there he has a tough choice of taking either Jerri or Sandra with him, think he should definitely take Jerri.
Either way though I am pretty sure he has no shot at winning the jury over. :/
Then get Jerri to swing her vote for Parvati, then leaving him, Sandra, Jerri and Colby, next he would have to get everyone to vote Colby off. From there he has a tough choice of taking either Jerri or Sandra with him, think he should definitely take Jerri.
Either way though I am pretty sure he has no shot at winning the jury over. :/
goldenticket
Member
Who does everyone want to win? Im just rooting against russell and parv not really rooting for anyone
B-Rad Lascelle
Banned
I'll be happy with any of the ladies.goldenticket said:
Colby doesn't deserve it and Russell doesn't stand a chance in hell of winning.
The Last Wizard
Member
is it me or are the challenges really stupid now compared to earlier seasons(think austrailia). alot of the individual challenges are less physical based
B-Rad Lascelle
Banned
Speak for yourself, I think the dish balancing challenge is genius.NightHawk17 said:
Colby put in an impressive showing by his standards for this season.
Parv continues to school the competition.
As for Russell learning anything from Nat last season, it's not like he knew she smoked him in the jury vote with her "ineffective gameplay" before returning to Samoa to tape Heroes vs. Villains. That's the main reason he's repeated so many of the same mistakes.
Amanda fell into the same trap with Fans vs. Favorites when she airballed two consecutive jury votes.
Very good point about the back to back seasons. It'll be interesting to see who wins the next challenge, Parvati is gone if she doesn't win. Didn't expect her to have beaten Amanda record as of tonight for surviving the Most days, I think she finished around 7th on her first game?
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