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Tales of Graces |OT| Gracing the PS3 with the Best RPG Combat
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BassForever
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Yes, you have to get them in the future arc
In Telos, there is one of the little robot boys who will offer to make you role play, give him a doll and he'll bestow a Narikiri title on one of your characters you choose. You actually have to get 6 dolls for every character to get all the titles so enjoy grinding/using the eleth mixer
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
And I love Peaches too.
"Peaches look like butts!"
And to add to this, you can do future arc again if you beat the main game again and use the clear save from that.
Totally grinding some artes with the BGM muted and using Tragic Scream, Battle for Survival, Escape from the City, the Level 1 BGM from Silver Surfer and Rooftop Run - Modern. It makes the whole thing more enjoyable.
Thanks for the tips. I have decided to put the game down for now, as much as it pains me to do this without even touching the extra dungeon and completing all side content. I picked up Majin and dmc hd this week so I'm going to play those games until Xenoblade is out. Graces will be my go to game during a video game drought.
DimmuBurgerKing
Member
SET ME FREEEEEE
BassForever
Member
Holy crap the boss at the end of the arcadia forest
She used 3 mystic artes in the same eleth burst D: WTF?!
StunandStab
Member
How do I not suck while playing as Sophie? I got the 100 titles for Asbel trophy a long time ago, so I'm trying to grind Artes for Sophie, but me playing as her always causes my party to die...
edit: I think I'll just continue playing Asbel and kicking ass and I'll turn off any of Sophie's artes that she has already mastered
EDIT 2: OMG FUTURE ARC YOU BASTARD
edit: I think I'll just continue playing Asbel and kicking ass and I'll turn off any of Sophie's artes that she has already mastered
EDIT 2: OMG FUTURE ARC YOU BASTARD
forcing me into a Hubert Cheria Malik party augh. I played as Hubert and it worked out okay after a few tries... but damn that was quite the learning experience
AlphaDragoon
Member
Luke is cooler than everybody in Graces, IMO. Way better character arc, too.
So do the
Narikiri Dolls basically let you have a clone of that person in the party?
Synless
Member
I'm there too and feel the same way. Also, I've been trying to get my mixer leveled up for a few hours now. I think I mentioned it before, but there has to be a faster way to level it. Mine is only at 388. Any help? Also, should I be wasting crystals on dualizing weapons now? Or should I wait?
AlphaDragoon
Member
Speaking of asset reuse, I'm playing through Tales of Vesperia again and I got to a dungeon (The Weasand of Cados, I think it was called) that Team Destiny shamelessly ripped to make the Barona Catacombs. I mean a complete ripoff of the layout to the point where I think they just took the 3D model of the cave from Vesperia and re-textured it. XD
Trying to solve how the dualizing process works (e.g., how Inheritance and Resell Multiplier work) is being an annoyance. A lot of dead end work and then I realized where I tunnel visioned on ignoring Initial Quality adjusting the resell value initially.
Mythril Tunic: 14,660 Gald
Base Resell: 1832 Gald
[0] Barbed Resell: 3848 Gald
[4] Grand Resell: 12,138 Gald (15,173 Gald when Temped)
[5] Grand Resell: 12,947 Gald (16,184 Gald when Tempered)
Extracted Resell: 6743 Gald (regardless of the [Value] Grand used; Type of Shard also doesn't matter, just the final Quality)
But I can't figure out the value from adding the Shard. 6743 Gald at the end is merely +60% of the [0] Barbed Resell value but it's not that simple. Basically:
(PurchasedPrice / 8) = Base Value
Extracted Value = (Base Value) * (CurrentQualityResellMultiplier) * (1 + AllResellInheritancesDualized)
So if you have a +4 Mythril Tunic that went:
+1 = Noble (Resell Mult: 2.5x, Resell Inheritance: +70%)
+2 = Stuffy (Resell Mult: 1.0x, Resell Inheritance: +140%)
+3 = Untamed (Resell Mult: 3.5x, Resell Inheritance: +90%)
+4 = Perilous (Resell Mult: 3.0x, Resell Inheritance: +200%)
Your Extracted Value after removing the Perilous would be the following:
(BaseValue) * (CurrentQualityResellMultiplier) * (1 + AllResellInheritancesDualized)
(14,660 / 8) * (3.0) * (1 + 0.7 + 1.4 + 0.9 + 2.0)
= 1832.5 * 3.0 * (6.0)
= 32,985 Gald
Which I probably should've grabbed a picture of instead of writing it down. And, again, this is the value after you extract the effect. The value when you first dualize the shard onto the armor and make it Perilous, assuming it's a [4] Shard, is 59,373 Gald (74,216 Gald when Tempered) but I can't seem to figure out that Dualized Value. Tempered is merely 125% Dualized whenever I do figure it out, though.
Incidentally, this also means Perilous is actually the second worst 8-letter Quality if you're planning to sell it after tempering it but before extracting the effect; it's the best if you're still tempering more after this to increase value more later. Basically, stopping on Perilous and selling the item is the worst use of reaching the 8-letter Quality tier.
...
I wager this was probably all in a JP Wiki somewhere and I wasted all day today being stupid :x (4 hours before "...oh yeah, it starts as Barbed.")
Mythril Tunic: 14,660 Gald
Base Resell: 1832 Gald
[0] Barbed Resell: 3848 Gald
[4] Grand Resell: 12,138 Gald (15,173 Gald when Temped)
[5] Grand Resell: 12,947 Gald (16,184 Gald when Tempered)
Extracted Resell: 6743 Gald (regardless of the [Value] Grand used; Type of Shard also doesn't matter, just the final Quality)
But I can't figure out the value from adding the Shard. 6743 Gald at the end is merely +60% of the [0] Barbed Resell value but it's not that simple. Basically:
(PurchasedPrice / 8) = Base Value
Extracted Value = (Base Value) * (CurrentQualityResellMultiplier) * (1 + AllResellInheritancesDualized)
So if you have a +4 Mythril Tunic that went:
+1 = Noble (Resell Mult: 2.5x, Resell Inheritance: +70%)
+2 = Stuffy (Resell Mult: 1.0x, Resell Inheritance: +140%)
+3 = Untamed (Resell Mult: 3.5x, Resell Inheritance: +90%)
+4 = Perilous (Resell Mult: 3.0x, Resell Inheritance: +200%)
Your Extracted Value after removing the Perilous would be the following:
(BaseValue) * (CurrentQualityResellMultiplier) * (1 + AllResellInheritancesDualized)
(14,660 / 8) * (3.0) * (1 + 0.7 + 1.4 + 0.9 + 2.0)
= 1832.5 * 3.0 * (6.0)
= 32,985 Gald
Which I probably should've grabbed a picture of instead of writing it down. And, again, this is the value after you extract the effect. The value when you first dualize the shard onto the armor and make it Perilous, assuming it's a [4] Shard, is 59,373 Gald (74,216 Gald when Tempered) but I can't seem to figure out that Dualized Value. Tempered is merely 125% Dualized whenever I do figure it out, though.
Incidentally, this also means Perilous is actually the second worst 8-letter Quality if you're planning to sell it after tempering it but before extracting the effect; it's the best if you're still tempering more after this to increase value more later. Basically, stopping on Perilous and selling the item is the worst use of reaching the 8-letter Quality tier.
...
I wager this was probably all in a JP Wiki somewhere and I wasted all day today being stupid :x (4 hours before "...oh yeah, it starts as Barbed.")
-Pyromaniac-
Member
you will. Fast travel coming as well.
I've been liking the game a lot more from the point you're at. You go to another varied environment soon, I was getting really sick of running back and forth around Lhant.
Finally got my copy of this game today. I haven't opened it yet, but I wanted to chime in here. How's the reception been for this game so far from you guys? I've been reading the last few posts, and have only seen complaints or spoilers I don't wanna read yet.
I've never actually beaten a Tales game, so this is gonna be one of my first. I played Symphonia, but never got a chance to beat it >_<
I've never actually beaten a Tales game, so this is gonna be one of my first. I played Symphonia, but never got a chance to beat it >_<
Amazing gameplay and collecting recipes and skills, not amazing everything else.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
most of the comments are pretty damn positive in this thread. I'd say it's one of the best in the series, arguably the best due to the AAA battle system and game mechanics in general. As for story graphics and all that, it's average to meh to sometimes good. Somewhere on that spectrum.
In previous Tales threads, I had rated several other games in the series above this based on my playthrough on the Wii version.
I'm playing through this on the PS3 now. I'm not sure what changed, but the entire experience is vastly superior to me. This is shaping up to be one of my favourite in the series.
My favourite, assuming this doesn't overtake it, was Symphonia. But, like I said, this is threatening to take it over.
I really don't know why playing on the PS3 is making such a huge difference for me. Or maybe it's just because I'm coming into this straight from FFXIII-2.
I am a story-first gamer though. So the high might drop after I'm away from this game for a while.
I'm playing through this on the PS3 now. I'm not sure what changed, but the entire experience is vastly superior to me. This is shaping up to be one of my favourite in the series.
My favourite, assuming this doesn't overtake it, was Symphonia. But, like I said, this is threatening to take it over.
I really don't know why playing on the PS3 is making such a huge difference for me. Or maybe it's just because I'm coming into this straight from FFXIII-2.
I am a story-first gamer though. So the high might drop after I'm away from this game for a while.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Finished Chapter 5. Overall, I like how it was handled in this version.
Battles are all about following the rainbow. :3
Luke is cool since he
. (But enough of that, since people have said they don't want to be spoiled with regards to story from other Tales games)
And yep to your second question. It's really useful, especially against the harder bosses, imo.
But you still managed to figure it out on your own which is a really good thing!
I'll make it through, prove it to yoooouuuuu... FOLLOW ME!
Battles are all about following the rainbow. :3
Asshole
wants to kill Mieu >
And yep to your second question. It's really useful, especially against the harder bosses, imo.
Tee hee. Yes.
But you still managed to figure it out on your own which is a really good thing!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Just beat ToG (not f) and doing sidequests atm.
I really love this game so much and it is pretty good game. I don't get people hating on specific characters since I thought all characters were great. I guess I am simple guy who like everything expect shitty games. I meant I love ToA and it is one of top 5 tales game for me. (I have to re-evaluate my favorite list soon tho.)
I really love this game so much and it is pretty good game. I don't get people hating on specific characters since I thought all characters were great. I guess I am simple guy who like everything expect shitty games. I meant I love ToA and it is one of top 5 tales game for me. (I have to re-evaluate my favorite list soon tho.)
Just reached the desert. Finally some enemies that last more than 10 seconds.
Level 31 and Eleth Mixer at 814.
The Magic Carta minigame is going to be a PITA, right? :\
It does feel small. If there is one thing that bothers more than anything about the world: the huge amount of invisible walls (it doesn't even make sense in certain road spots).
Is it just me or the amount of enemies to fight is greatly diminished compared to previous Tales games?
The roads are kind of large, but there aren't many foes. The distance between one enemy and the next is too big and that makes the "exploration" way more boring than it should cause there isn't a lot to explore or discover in the first place. This is so odd considering the strength of Graces is in its battles.
Level 31 and Eleth Mixer at 814.
The Magic Carta minigame is going to be a PITA, right? :\
It does feel small. If there is one thing that bothers more than anything about the world: the huge amount of invisible walls (it doesn't even make sense in certain road spots).
Is it just me or the amount of enemies to fight is greatly diminished compared to previous Tales games?
The roads are kind of large, but there aren't many foes. The distance between one enemy and the next is too big and that makes the "exploration" way more boring than it should cause there isn't a lot to explore or discover in the first place. This is so odd considering the strength of Graces is in its battles.
AlphaDragoon
Member
Depends on your knowledge of past Tales games. The game works simply by giving a quote from a character and you have to grab the card for that character before the other person.
End of Chapter 7:
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I kept thinking it must be since, really, it's pretty simple (once I stopped being stupid)*. But, at the same time, I kept seeing Perilous as the best 8-letter option for selling and I couldn't figure it out from just general testing since it's only a 3x multiplier and just cursory glances at it should be obvious it is not the case (in terms of selling value, it's your actual worst option for that tier tied with Vigorous; in terms of growing value by dualizing over and over, it's your best).
The one wiki I remember reading, and some basic Googling, had no formulas for it and were wrong in their descriptions of the terms (and one wiki I found had most the multipliers wrong so I didn't bother checking any further there). Oh well. Still want to figure out the Dualize Value since that's the actual important bit for this. Nobody should really care about the Extracted Value if you're trying to make money from Dualizing.
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Seriously missed 60s on both Lambda-Richard and Emeraude by a few seconds? :| Not that either one of them are actually 60s bosses but it's pretty sad to see "1:04:XX" or something
Tee hee. Yes.
But you still managed to figure it out on your own which is a really good thing!
I kept thinking it must be since, really, it's pretty simple (once I stopped being stupid)*. But, at the same time, I kept seeing Perilous as the best 8-letter option for selling and I couldn't figure it out from just general testing since it's only a 3x multiplier and just cursory glances at it should be obvious it is not the case (in terms of selling value, it's your actual worst option for that tier tied with Vigorous; in terms of growing value by dualizing over and over, it's your best).
The one wiki I remember reading, and some basic Googling, had no formulas for it and were wrong in their descriptions of the terms (and one wiki I found had most the multipliers wrong so I didn't bother checking any further there). Oh well. Still want to figure out the Dualize Value since that's the actual important bit for this. Nobody should really care about the Extracted Value if you're trying to make money from Dualizing.
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Seriously, I can't believe I took so long to double-check across items that the base Resell Multiplier I was using was correct. I had sampled it across every single Mythril item but just never checked otherwise because ... something. It wasn't until I went to sell Items that I noticed their base was 20%. I'm still pretty embarrassed at myself for that >>
I feel the same way about the characters.
I also loved Abyss. It's either 2nd or 3rd for me. Kind of tied with Xillia.
Remember - you can pause the game. :lol
I took pictures with my phone so I could cheese the hell out of the Hard mode.
StunandStab
Member
I took pictures with my phone so I could cheese the hell out of the Hard mode.
Damn, I didn't do that. I got Cheria's costume with pure skill!
Well, I just arrived at
Eleth Research Lab
Telos Astue
Jazzy Network
Member
Starting on f now. Ending was meh as usual. Asbel looks retarded now. Not that he didn't look retarded before.
Pausing it over and over again as you move to the card delays the AI. It's flawless.
Graces f is great to me imo. Awesome battle systems, awesome characters, interesting story, just great all around. Later dungeons are an absolute pain in the ass though. I had to resort to a FAQ so I can get the items from those dungeons.
My knowledge of other Tales of games besides Graces f only really extends to Symphonia and Abyss, and I never even finished those. This minigame is crap to anyone who didn't play a bunch of Tales of game previous. Its a blind guess for me.
Study the quotes on the cards, I guess? I didn't really think playing more Tales games helped short of remembering name <-> picture ... which doesn't help at all for the game.
Honestly, without pausing, knowing more Tales games hurt since I disconnected on the voices not matching who I thought said it.
Callibretto
Member
card mini game is a pain the ass. I have to first take a photo of my tv to see the card layout, then pause the game once I hear the quote. then look at gamefaqs for which character is saying the quote, and since I don't play much previous Tales, I have no idea which character portrait belong to which names, so I have to google images the name before I know which is the correct card to pick.
robotzombie
Member
is there any negative to choosing retry if you die in a battle? As opposed to loading your last save?
Nope, aside from the obvious you can prepare more if you need to if you reload a last save.
robotzombie
Member
This is making it so difficult for me to fight boss battles on hard
StunandStab
Member
cpp_is_king
Member
I'm really bad at doing combo's. My highest is 24 hits. I don't have trouble surviving in battles, but I can't seem to string together a lot of hits. I currently have 6-9 CC on my currently controlled character (Richard). Is it just me sucking or are others also having problems getting a lot of consecutive hits on enemies? Are there any good tips? (Besides, stop sucking at the game.)
Impeccable
Member
24 hits for 6-9 is pretty solid...
I've beat the game and am on the final dungeon on my NG+ and most fights you don't get big combos, usually only things with high HP.
Then I tend to pace myself, open up on the enemy when the AI jumps in, I stop to regain CC so I can continue the combo when they slow down.
I think my max is only like 124 or something, average 55-60 on big things before they die.
I've beat the game and am on the final dungeon on my NG+ and most fights you don't get big combos, usually only things with high HP.
Then I tend to pace myself, open up on the enemy when the AI jumps in, I stop to regain CC so I can continue the combo when they slow down.
I think my max is only like 124 or something, average 55-60 on big things before they die.
cpp_is_king
Member
If anyone wants to know an easy way of getting into Floor 10 of Zhonecage, go to Gralesyde and buy a Rare Shotstaff (rank 8 stamp item) and use a High-grade Crystal on it. This makes a Dreamer's Flange.
Dualize it with any shard that produces Perilous quality for a Dreamer's Flange +1. Temper this weapon and that alone is enough to get you into Floor 10.
Dualize it with any shard that produces Perilous quality for a Dreamer's Flange +1. Temper this weapon and that alone is enough to get you into Floor 10.
It is mind boggling that this game doesn't have an easy way to have the AI back off when there is a specific game mechanic with the enemy's eleth burst that demands it.
That's good to know. Thanks.
Again, I feel dumb after reading this
Exactly (with the exception of 2 or 3 cards so far).
Yeah, pretty disappointed by this game strategy options.
I see, thanks for the info. I thought I was doing something wrong, but I guess not since battles are mostly smooth sailing. Only had trouble with the boss in the Seaside Cavern. Had to use 1 Life Bottle. I'm currently playing on Normal difficulty and will stick with that until my next "get everything" playthrough.