MikeHattsu
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boy that's gonna be fun
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boy that's gonna be fun
To update since I was ranting while drunk before. Got a job at a very nice elementary school. They actually asked me to work for them twice, because I turned it down the first time. Turns out that an Agent was low-balling what they actually pay, and after he was out of the way they "sweetened the pot".
Now I earn 400rmb/hour (60$US) teaching 1st-2nd grade, and they just offered to pay for me to go to Thailand to take a TEFL course for next term.
My point is: Don't get discouraged! There are people that get paid to take advantage of us (foreign teachers), don't give in to it, no matter how hard up you are! It only makes it worse for all of us in the long run.
Got the worst schedule this year. 22 hours of class, which isn't too bad, but they gave me Health to teach for some reason (I'm not even a PE coach, I'm an English/Humanities teacher). And six of my classes now only meet for 50 minutes each week. At an IB school. So I have to somehow cram inquiry learning into less than an hour of class time a week. They also took one of my twice-a-week Humanities classes and put both periods on one day: one period from 9-9:50 am, then again from 2-2:50 pm, so my kids won't have any time between lessons to make projects or do research. It's like whoever did the schedule was just like, "fuck we need someone to watch these kids at these times, let's just put the foreigner's classes there. Nailed it."
I remember you saying you were in Taiwan. Are you still there? What city?
Kaohsiung. Great place, great kids I'm teaching, but man the administration just isn't playing ball this year. I don't know how the other four IB schools in the city are doing, but here on my side it's pretty tough to get local teachers on board with what the overseas teachers are doing, and vice-versa. How about you?
I'm going through the exact same thing in Taichung. Been at a school for 3 years teaching social studies. The program is 10 years old and this is the first year starting IB. Starting 7-9 in MYP classes and then following them up into DP, while the older grades continue the old system. Because we still need to have certain MOE guidelines and classes there classes are around 75/25 IB/old style. The began remodeling the floors the school was on on campus, asked us for all the suggestions, and then when the remodel was done nothing we asked for was in it. And they STILL had Engrish signs.
The biggest positive change has been an all-English attendance and grading system. We're using Managebac for everything now and it will make it so much easier for us to do grades. Before everything was in the Chinese system that is 20 years old and incredibly archaic UI-wise, with the kid's Chinese names, which are never used in school.
One of my schools is going to be hosting a class of kids from Singapore for a day... oh man the wake up call that is about to hit these people haha.
Should be fun though, going to start prepping the kids so they don't just sit there or at worse talk about them like they can't understand them... Though when I just overheard one of the teachers asking what language will they speak... and the JTE saying "I don't know what language they speak there" I cringed a bit...
Power points on singapore for all!
So I've been accepted for next August through a recruiter and I am currently trying to decide to go through EPIK or go for a private school. I would really prefer to work in Seoul and would go through the private school to make this happen. However, I would prefer going to a public school, but what are the odds of being placed in Seoul if I get my documents in now?
Hi guys!
I've been thinking for a while about teaching English (or at least in English) in China or Korea in the future, and while I'd previously looked into all the requirements, I've ended up in a slightly unusual situation. A few months ago I responded to an ad and got hired as an English teacher at what is essentially a Canadian franchise of a Korean Hagweon. I teach students K-12 everything from phonics and reading to literary interpretation, and will soon be doing some group novel studies classes. So far it's been fantastic, and once I graduate I could definitely see myself doing more of it.
Unfortunately, all this hands on experience is going to my head; I've started to wonder whether, with what will likely end up being around two years of experience by the time I finish my degree and my teaching qualifications, a TEFL/CELTA certificate is something I absolutely need to shell out for, and if not, whether it will be a big enough benefit to be worthwhile anyways.
In case it helps, in addition to my degree and experience I will also be able to list an impressive sounding Provincial writing prize and, if all goes well over the next month or two, a short piece of published academic-ish history.
Additionally, while I haven't decided on China or Korea yet, my boss, the owner of the franchise, and the receptionist are all native Korean speakers, and generally give me glowing reviews. Provided they still feel the same way after a few more years of dealing with me, how much leverage would that be likely to give me if I pick Korea?
Does anybody have any experience/advice negotiating salary? Moving from Beijing down to Guangdong, and whilst I know the average salary is lower outside the Jing, I'm reluctant to drop down to the 8000 ballpark. But I don't wanna shoot myself in the foot if I try to ask for more from the outset. What's the etiquette here?
May I ask what kind of job it is? Because 8000 seems very low. It's getting near the area of what our CT's are getting paid here in Shanghai...
I'm still fishing through a few, this 8000 one is teaching in a GZ university. But I've seen a few others around that area. Had an interview for Zhong Shan Uni's ESL teacher program a while back that was also about 8000. I guess because they include accommodation, but still. I'm on 11,000 (after accommodation) in BJ, so it's a bit of a psychological drop
Is there a reason why you are thinking of moving to GZ? I know someone who left GZ to go to BJ and they like BJ much better in terms of things to do and people. Dropping 36,000/year in pay sounds bad.
Those certificates are worthless. When I look over a candidates qualifications that is the last thing I am interested in. I would rather see actual work experience.
What do you mean by leverage? Pay?
If you are looking for a bigger starting salary then it might get you 100 extra a month, but most likely you are only looking at the basic for your first salary until you can prove you can handle Korea.
I would have no idea if you are worth the extra investment, until you have done a year and adapted to life in Korea.
If you just meant leverage to get a job, then yes. If it is between you and someone with no experience or only a certificate then I would go with you.
What you're saying is you'd rather have a shitty teacher that happens to have experience from some random language school over someone who knows their shit and is excited and prepared to embark on their first journey with the strong foundation of knowledge and experience gained from a CELTA?
Your making a lot of of assumptions there, I would rather hire a quality teacher with experience who I know has staying power then an unproven quantity. I see dozens of CVs a year. I only try and hire teachers who have experience for more than a year at a single school.
Those certificates might give people confidence that they can teach and that is good.
However, from my own personal experiences in Korea, those certificates as a bargaining cheap are worthless. You are not gonna get more money out of it.
Thus, I feel for the poster who asked, it is pointless him looking to get any certificate when he has two years experience, which is valued a lot higher.
I'm interested in pursuing this, maybe not necessarily Asia but definitely teaching english abroad. I'm planning on taking a 120-hour TEFL course. However, I have NOT yet started a career in teaching, and would rather do it in the foreign country I go to... Is this realistic? From what I've read in Asia, you'll need a bachelor's degree in teaching. But other countries, such as Russia, you won't.
Is it best to study in my hometown for 4 years, and then start teaching abroad? Or would it be possible to study abroad while teaching.
Getting real fed up with the teacher for the first years at one of my schools. Lady is pretty freaking bad at her job/teaching English.
Not only does she randomly come up 20 minutes before a class and ALWAYS ask "do you have some plan or something?" but then when I tell her I have a review or activity shes like "oh maybe its too hard or I want to do some game"... like lady get out of here with this shit. Her understanding of English is pretty awful, shes full blown just teaching them katakana compared to the other two teachers who if given the students for a few more years could probably make their kids freaking fluent.
Today shes like "oh could you not just use anime characters in the examples?" Ok, firstly, the characters used are clearly not the fucking point, and only used as a base example that they would easily understand instantly ala Doremon instead of generic clip art guy "Tom". But she is like "use historic characters or something" LOL ok lady. I'll do that. I mean you should clearly be the one to do that since... you know I'm not from Japan, nor have I ever been to their history class to know what people they know at this age, but sure I'll be the one to do it, since I'm clearly the only one who does anything for these classes.
Just frustrated how this person kept their job. Literally have to watch her stand in front of the class reading the book in silence while shes trying to understand what the page says since she did not look at it even once before hand... Among everything else.
Pretty sure I've learned more Japanese in her class than all the studying ive done.
gotta meet those quotas man or the parents yell at you
Plenty of people start teaching in Asia without prior experience. That being said, if you can get some experience before coming over, it will certainly help.
My girlfriend was teaching English while getting her BA in Tokyo. It's possible, although I wouldn't recommend it.
Well I don't mean job experience, but rather schools needing you to have a bachelor's degree before being able to consider you for the job.
Why do you not recommend studying in the foreign country? Time constraints? Language barrier?
gotta meet those quotas man or the parents yell at you
LolololololPlenty of people start teaching in Asia without prior experience. That being said, if you can get some experience before coming over, it will certainly help.
My girlfriend was teaching English while getting her BA in Tokyo. It's possible, although I wouldn't recommend it.
Are you me? Sounds near identical to someone I know.
That being said, most of the other teachers I've worked with are highly professional and quite knowledgable. But just a couple of weeks ago I had a class where the students had to do a short presentation about their summer vacation. The whole point of the activity was to work on their pronunciation and speech production. However, the teacher encouraged the students to phonetically sound out their English speech ahead of time by writing it in katakana. So I got to listen to 30 students read マイサマーべケーション
イット ワッズ ナット ぐード
Would say your fine for something like JET, sounds like you are working with similar, or heck a bit more than my application to it.
Just try to make your lack of experiences and what not sound more interesting than it really is in your application and your golden. That's what I did. No real work experience outside part time, so-so grades, not really super friendly with the professors and so forth.
But can write a good essay when I need too, fill out paperwork correctly and thoroughly and most important do it on time. You really can't think about it too much in terms of being qualified, and just go for it.
Anybody have a few games for elementary esl learners?
I have to make a list and I am running out of ideas.
That works..though I guess I need to be specific. They aren't early language learners and need something more difficult. I am doing a specific topic teaching lesson on Korea. I got my vocab and sentence patterns chosen, just trying to get games and see how a small section of the students deal with them.
Hey guys, I have a phone interview with Interac next week!
I'm gonna start applying to a few of these, but Interac noticed I began my application and want to speak to me next week. Anyone have any tips on how to succeed in the phone interview?
It's about as standard as it gets. The people interviewing you are just old ALTs.