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[MoonsaultSlayer]

Yoshi wasn't a hidden character and Kuma/Panda is usually selectable from the get go nowadays. Jack is a mainstay as well. And unlocks make a difference?

Like I said, you can tell the difference between those who play and those who want to comment.



You mean Devil wasn't anime? Because he was super anime. And Nina has always been fetish level with her outfits. If anything there is a better balance now because there are literally more serious characters than joke ones.

You guys keep moving that goalpost on what you find acceptable when it's a fighting game. It's so silly but hey, if that really stops you from buying it, I guess you won't play many fighters.

There are different anime designs. Devils, war machines and cyborg ninjas were really cool when I was younger and as such, they have been the norm of the series. With the established aesthetics, Dr. B's daughter being whateverthefuck she is goes against that norm.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

You mean Devil wasn't anime? Because he was super anime. And Nina has always been fetish level with her outfits. If anything there is a better balance now because there are literally more serious characters than joke ones.

You guys keep moving that goalpost on what you find acceptable when it's a fighting game. It's so silly but hey, if that really stops you from buying it, I guess you won't play many fighters.

I never thought of Devil as anime. He was badass. Nina is just an attractive adult woman. I have no problem with that. In fact those are the characters I play in fighting games.

I am a hardcore fighting game player man. Tekken was my primary game for years. Sorry this one is super over the top and the strangest in a line of characters like Lars and Alisa and Claudio.

 

[Stone Ocean]

There are different anime designs. Devils, war machines and cyborg ninjas were really cool when I was younger and as such, they have been the norm of the series. With the established aesthetics, Dr. B's daughter being whateverthefuck she is goes against that norm.

Guess what, the "norm" changed. It's not the 90's anymore. I don't even really like her design but some people might so who am I to judge?

 

[TheSpoiler]

There are different anime designs. Devils, war machines and cyborg ninjas were really cool when I was younger and as such, they have been the norm of the series. With the established aesthetics, Dr. B's daughter being whateverthefuck she is goes against that norm.

Oh that makes sense. At first having anime designs was a bad thing, but now it's cool because there are different ones.

Like I said, keep moving that goalpost.

I never thought of Devil as anime. He was badass. Nina is just an attractive adult woman. I have no problem with that. In fact those are the characters I play in fighting games.

I am a hardcore fighting game player man. Tekken was my primary game for years. Sorry this one is super over the top and the strangest in a line of characters like Lars and Alisa and Claudio.

I'm not disagreeing on it being over the top. I'm saying that anyone who quits a fighting game over a character's include is silly.

 

[BeatnikGunsoo]

her moveset is like an eddy and lilli hybrid

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

I'm not disagreeing on it being over the top. I'm saying that anyone who quits a fighting game over a character's include is silly.

Aesthetics matter though. I love competing but I also want to be into the look of the game and the characters.

I guess Tekken isn't for me anymore. I accept that but I don't think it's silly to be disappointed.

 

[TomcatTheLion]

Based on some of the reactions in this thread it will probably be very fun playing her online.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

Oh that makes sense. At first having anime designs was a bad thing, but now it's cool because there are different ones.

Like I said, keep moving that goalpost.

Like someone above said, I never considered those things anime. But who's moving the goal post when our context is pretty clear?

 

[Laconic]

King of the Iron Furry.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Aesthetics matter though. I love competing but I also want to be into the look of the game and the characters.

I guess Tekken isn't for me anymore. I accept that but I don't think it's silly to be disappointed.

You'd have a point if the entire game's aesthetics changed

It's not like all Tekken female characters are suddenly loli idols. The usual characters are still the same and saying the game looks too anime because there's like 4 animey characters is silly. You guys are acting like they just renamed the game to Aquapazza or something.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Aesthetics matter though. I love competing but I also want to be into the look of the game and the characters.

I guess Tekken isn't for me anymore. I accept that but I don't think it's silly to be disappointed.

Okay, well, bye I guess.

Like someone above said, I never considered those things anime. But who's moving the goal post when our context is pretty clear?

Changing the meaning of anime is moving the goalpost.

Not that this conversation matters. If you really want to quit Tekken over this, go ahead. I don't think much value will be lost.

 

[Sayah]

I don't know what's more infuriating, the character or people ok wih the character simply because they know they're good at the game so "no big deal". What I mean is, of course you're not going to abandon a game you've spent hundreds of hours perfecting and competing with like minded peers. But is there really no part of you that can look at it from another POV and realize that ever since Lili's introduction, there has been a shift in design choice for Tekken and its characters? Some of us disapprove of such a thing and it takes away why some of us got into Tekken.

Yes, the design sucks and her move list consists of wonky Lili animations.

But this one character is certainly not going to ruin my excitement for Tekken 7. In fact, I may even play her just for casual fun.

If all Tekken 7 characters were like her, then I would have a problem. But you have a lot of diversity. And as I said, Tekken's always had different 2P costumes and some characters with guest artist costumes. If the same outfit is bothering you, then you'll always have that option.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

You'd have a point if the entire game's aesthetics changed

It's not like all Tekken female characters are suddenly loli idols. The usual characters are still the same and saying the game looks too anime because there's like 4 animey characters is silly. You guys are acting like they just renamed the game to Aquapazza or something.

Actually the game's aesthetics not changing is part of the problem. They never change. So we have characters who literally look identical since 2004 and then most of the new content is hella anime. So the stuff I like is extremely stale and the new stuff isn't my thing. Why shouldn't I be let down?

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

You'd have a point if the entire game's aesthetics changed

It's not like all Tekken female characters are suddenly loli idols. The usual characters are still the same and saying the game looks too anime because there's like 4 animey characters is silly. You guys are acting like they just renamed the game to Aquapazza or something.

All legacy characters go unchanged yet the new generation coming in all share this new aesthetic. It's not only jarring, but also hints at the future of the series, especially if SCV is anything to go by (which this seems very similar to already).
edit: Osu seems like my alt account haha

 

[Laconic]

Okay, well, bye I guess.



Changing the meaning of anime is moving the goalpost.

Not that this conversation matters. If you really want to quit Tekken over this, go ahead. I don't think much value will be lost.

For him, probably not.

Nor for anyone else who'd be so inclined.

Or are you ever so not subtly insinuating that he lacks worth?

 

[Sayah]

Aesthetics matter though. I love competing but I also want to be into the look of the game and the characters.

I guess Tekken isn't for me anymore. I accept that but I don't think it's silly to be disappointed.

Introducing Chloe doesn't change the aesthetics of the entire game.

And considering you play Netherrealm games, I'm guessing the man-faced women models must be bothering you too? How do those aesthetics hold up?

 

[AlphaDragoon]

Does seem like they ripped off Marie Rose a bit. XD

The only thing that really bugs me about her is the voice, it's terrible. Everything else is just modern Japanese archetype so it's whatever. Fix the voice and she wouldn't really bother me.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Actually the game's aesthetics not changing is part of the problem. They never change. So we have characters who literally look identical since 2004 and then most of the new content is hella anime. So the stuff I like is extremely stale and the new stuff isn't my thing. Why shouldn't I be let down?

All legacy characters go unchanged yet the new generation coming in all share this new aesthetic. It's not only jarring, but also hints at the future of the series, especially if SCV is anything to go by (which this seems very similar to already).

Street Fighter characters have had the same costumes for 25 years, doesn't make them stale, suddenly Tekken is because Jin isn't getting new hoodies? New characters look like new characters, it's not like Tekken characters need to have some pattern of clothing. People wear weird shit, so what?

 

[SDBurton]

Introducing Chloe doesn't change the aesthetics of the entire game.

And considering you play Netherrealm games, I'm guessing the man-faced women models must be bothering you too? How do those aesthetics hold up?

Yooooooooooo

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

Introducing Chloe doesn't change the aesthetics of the entire game.

And considering you play Netherrealm games, I'm guessing the man-faced women models must be bothering you too? How do those aesthetics hold up?

No she doesn't but it's the most over the top and more of them going in that direction.

MKX has fantastic graphics and I love D'Vorah and Cassie Cage, thank you for asking.

 

[Laconic]

Street Fighter characters have had the same costumes for 25 years, doesn't make them stale, suddenly Tekken is because Jin isn't getting new hoodies? New characters look like new characters, it's not like Tekken characters need to have some pattern of clothing. People wear weird shit, so what?

Chun Li got better duds in Alpha.

R.I.P. Alpha Chun design. :/

 

[Sayah]

Street Fighter characters have had the same costumes for 25 years, doesn't make them stale. New characters look like new characters, it's not like Tekken characters need to have some pattern of clothing. People wear weird shit, so what?

While I would prefer a Tekken 4 style innovation with character design, it is again something of like tertiary importance to me. Gameplay/balance/depth always comes first.

The devs said they wanted to maintain an iconic look for the characters and they couldn't do that with changing designs every time. It's like asking Nintendo to get Mario out of his overalls and give him a brand new design. It's an iconic look that they want to maintain. But as I said, there's always the different 2P costumes in the canonical Tekken games.

 

[LiK]

the cat arms are so friggin' dumb. thankfully, we get alt costumes.

 

[Laconic]

the cat arms are so friggin' dumb. thankfully, we get alt costumes.

Bunny arms alt for cat arms girl.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

Street Fighter characters have had the same costumes for 25 years, doesn't make them stale, suddenly Tekken is because Jin isn't getting new hoodies? New characters look like new characters, it's not like Tekken characters need to have some pattern of clothing. People wear weird shit, so what?

I actually do wish they'd update Street Fighter a little more. Old man Ryu with a beard would be awesome. But even so, at least new Street Fighter games have a new art style. You can't mistake SF4 for anything else. You can't say the same thing about Tekken. I could show you a promotional render of most characters and unless you're a hardcore fan of the series you wouldn't know which game it was from in the 2004-2014 era.

 

[Sayah]

No she doesn't but it's the most over the top and more of them going in that direction.

MKX has fantastic graphics and I love D'Vorah and Cassie Cage, thank you for asking.

Yes, very beautiful indeed. /s

 

[Stone Ocean]

I actually do wish they'd update Street Fighter a little more. Old man Ryu with a beard would be awesome. But even so, at least new Street Fighter games have a new art style. You can't mistake SF4 for anything else. You can't say the same thing about Tekken. I could show you a promotional render of most characters and unless you're a hardcore fan of the series you wouldn't know which game it was from in the 2004-2014 era.

Why is consistency suddenly bad? Netherrealm's art style has been the exact same for 3 games now. Soul Calibur's art style hasn't changed ever since SC2 came out, and so on.

Do you want the game to be cell shaded or something?

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

Okay, well, bye I guess.



Changing the meaning of anime is moving the goalpost.

Not that this conversation matters. If you really want to quit Tekken over this, go ahead. I don't think much value will be lost.

Okay, if a character from whatever idolmasters is appeared in something a bit darker (but still with some light-hearted zanyness I knkw I know), that's the context of our point. Lumping anime as one thing isn't the right choice of words.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

The devs said they wanted to maintain an iconic look for the characters and they couldn't do that with changing designs every time. It's like asking Nintendo to get Mario out of his overalls and give him a brand new design. It's an iconic look that they want to maintain.

They say this but it's nonsensical. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone on this forum who doesn't instantly recognize Scorpion and Sub-Zero in any game they're in. Yet they have different costumes in each game.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

Why is consistency suddenly bad? Netherrealm's art style has been the exact same for 3 games now. Soul Calibur's art style hasn't changed ever since SC2 came out, and so on.

No it hasn't. Look at Scorpion from MK9, Injustice and MKX. It's totally Scorpion but not identical.

 

[Nuke Soda]

Not a fan, but it is always nice seeing new characters in fighting games.

 

[krizzx]

Wow,more blonde females... Seems Japan can never get enough of them.

 

[valeo]

Oh god.

Fold this game.

 

[Sayah]

They say this but it's nonsensical. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone on this forum who doesn't instantly recognize Scorpion and Sub-Zero in any game they're in. Yet they have different costumes in each game.

They have 2P costumes for all the characters with completely different designs and some characters have alternate guest artist costumes.

Just to give an example from Tekken 6.

Lili classic costume:

Lili New costume:

Lili Guest Artist Costume:

Just because the gameplay is showing all characters in their old costumes doesn't mean they won't have new ones.

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

Okay, if a character from whatever idolmasters is appeared in something a bit darker (but still with some light-hearted zanyness I knkw I know), that's the context of our point. Lumping anime as one thing isn't the right choice of words.

I wouldn't complain because:
A. Its one character out of many.
and
B. Not every single character is going to meet my tastes.

Tekken isn't anime now. Its one character.

 

[SDBurton]

They say this but it's nonsensical. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone on this forum who doesn't instantly recognize Scorpion and Sub-Zero in any game they're in. Yet they have different costumes in each game.

Which consist of yellow and blue respectively. Those are their iconic colors. Doesn't matter what costume they have as long as they rock their primary colors of course someone is going to recognize them. :lol

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

That "new" Lili costume was her 1P outfit in her debut game. So it returning is just an example of how stale they get.

 

[Coxy]

Oh yeah it's too anime now, the spiky haired guys sprouting wings and demonic powers because of a brand by a demon, reviving him from death and letting him shoot lasers from his eyes to fight Alien samurai, robots, bears, pandas, tiny dinosaurs that fart at you, angels etc was all hardcore grimdark serious and they ruined its serious realistic image with this.

 

[Stone Ocean]

No it hasn't. Look at Scorpion from MK9, Injustice and MKX. It's totally Scorpion but not identical.

It's the exact same art style. They changed the designs but the games are visually consistent. Compare Sindel, Killer Frost and D'Vorah, they are very visually similar as far as their faces go.

Tekken 5 doesn't suddenly have a different art style from 4 because Jin is wearing his flamey pants again.

 

[Sayah]

That "new" Lili costume was her 1P outfit in her debut game. So it returning is just an example of how stale they get.

And what of the wedding dress?

Do you really want to do this?

Find me previous Tekken games where Anna and Nina wore this.

 

[Creaking]

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

And what of the wedding dress?

Do you really want to do this?

Find me previous Tekken games where Anna and Nina wore this.

Yeah man, I played Tekken since the beginning. I know some characters have gotten new alternate costumes. I'm just saying, it's funny your own example was a "new" costume for Lili that was her original 1P.

 

[Sayah]

Yeah man, I played Tekken since the beginning. I know some characters have gotten new alternate costumes. I'm just saying, it's funny your own example was a "new" costume for Lili that was her original 1P.

I never played DR and so didn't know.

But literally every character (or almost everyone) has got new costumes in some way, shape, or form. And these aren't just color alterations or minor design upgrades but completely different designs.

If you want new designs, you have that option.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

I never played DR and so didn't know.

But literally every character (or almost everyone) has got new costumes in some way, shape, or form. And these aren't just color alterations or minor design upgrades but completely different designs.

If you want new designs, you have that option.

So those alt designs in that one game = proof of design evolution?

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

I never played DR and so didn't know.

But literally every character (or almost everyone) has got new costumes in some way, shape, or form. And these aren't just color alterations or minor design upgrades but completely different designs.

If you want new designs, you have that option.

Yeah but it'd be nice to have their entire look change. I mean Paul is one of my favorites. In Tekken 3 when he was older and grew the beard it was awesome. Then in Tekken 5 when they updated his personality and turned him into a get rich quick scheming doofus I loved it. Nothing about him is changing since then. It's even the little things, like a lot of characters still have decade old intro and outro animations.

 

[Sayah]

So those alt designs in that one game = proof of design evolution?

Dawg, Tekken 4 was the last game where characters were significantly changed in appearance (mature Xiaoyu, military Hwoarang, parted hair Paul, hoodie Jin, etc). But it wasn't the last game where characters got new updated default costume options.

Tekken 5 Anna

(Modern update to a classic costume)

New costumes

Tekken 6 Anna

New costume

Modern update to a classic costume

If you're complaining about costume designs being unchanged for a decade, then you're wrong. You've always had an option for alternates.

 

[DR2K]

In a game where you can completely alter the look of a character I'm not sure what there is to complain about standard costumes.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

Yeah, maybe a handful or less characters got updated alts from T5 to 6. That's not saying much. I was once a fan of Tekken's art. I've said this before, their artbooks have gotten thinner and more pointless with the lack of evolution. Relying on guest anime artists to update a character's look isn't really my thing either.

 

[Sayah]

In a game where you can completely alter the look of a character I'm not sure what there is to complain about standard costumes.

I could understand that complaint for TTT2 because it had limited customization options and less detail on the customs. At the same time, I understood that those sacrifices had to be made due to a large roster/4 characters on screen.

But with Tekken 6, even the customization options were broad and high quality and you could literally do a lot of creative things and get your character to look great.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

In a game where you can completely alter the look of a character I'm not sure what there is to complain about standard costumes.

Those low res, brightly colored, generic armor pieces and sushi backpacks make my new gen system and tv so worth the purchase /s. =P