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Tekken |OT3|

GrayFoxPL

Member
MarkMan is with some shaving company now.

How the mighty have fallen.

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Creaking

He touched the black heart of a mod
I was wondering why no one was saying anything. Thought it was old news that I had missed or something.

I'd love to see some more classic outfits. Hope Miguel gets his Tag 2 costume and Tekken 6 alt. Would like to see Yoshimitsu's Tekken 6 stuff too, without all of the jaggies.
 

sasuke_91

Member
@Cosmic Forge: Yoshi greatest troll in T7 confirmed.


Tournament starts in ~7 hours. Haven't played too much these last few weeks, but I think it'll be okay. I'll post the link for the stream when I know more.
 
The Death Stranding trailer had me thinking...

Was Dragunov modeled after Mads Mickelsen? Is it a Raven/Wesley Snipes type situation?
 

Onemic

Member
Its gonna take me a while to get BDC and wave dashing down. Its already improved a lot over the past few days, so seeing the immediate progress is encouraging. Same with EWHF. I'll probably work on learning the wakeup game today.

One question I have towards game knowledge though. How do you guys figure out all the characters moves in the game and how to beat them? Doesnt Tekken have something like 100 moves for each character? It's not even like the character roster is small too, yet commentators seem to know the exact notation for every characters move...which just seems insane to me coming from SF where the moves and properties of each character is very limited in comparison.
 

Numb

Member
Its gonna take me a while to get BDC and wave dashing down. Its already improved a lot over the past few days, so seeing the immediate progress is encouraging. Same with EWHF. I'll probably work on learning the wakeup game today.

One question I have towards game knowledge though. How do you guys figure out all the characters moves in the game and how to beat them? Doesnt Tekken have something like 100 moves for each character? It's not even like the character roster is small too, yet commentators seem to know the exact notation for every characters move...which just seems insane to me coming from SF where the moves and properties of each character is very limited in comparison.

BDC,movement and wave dashing are the advanced stuff you keep on using and improving on all the time

I use Mokujin so i had to atleast know a bunch of stuff. The easiest way it worked for me is that i learned the mechanics of the game and all the basic stuff that could apply to everyone.
Once you learn that and how the game flows in general then it becomes easy to pick up the characters(minus the really advanced ones)
The limb per button system helps identifying stuff from just looking most of the time
You'd be surprised to see how much you can pick up and understand from videos and tournaments just having learned the basic stuff and flow
 

Rajang

Member
Thanks! None of our matches in group play will be streamed by the way. There will be one match at 18:00 (~4 hours 15 min from now), one at 19:15 and one at 20:30. At every time one 3v3 match will be streamed.

Here's the link for the stream:
http://www.twitch.tv/tekkenclash

Good luck!

The Death Stranding trailer had me thinking...

Was Dragunov modeled after Mads Mickelsen? Is it a Raven/Wesley Snipes type situation?

Hmm not sure. Dragunov came out a year before Mads Mickelsen got kind of popular. I dont think they look much a like either.

Its gonna take me a while to get BDC and wave dashing down. Its already improved a lot over the past few days, so seeing the immediate progress is encouraging. Same with EWHF. I'll probably work on learning the wakeup game today.

One question I have towards game knowledge though. How do you guys figure out all the characters moves in the game and how to beat them? Doesnt Tekken have something like 100 moves for each character? It's not even like the character roster is small too, yet commentators seem to know the exact notation for every characters move...which just seems insane to me coming from SF where the moves and properties of each character is very limited in comparison.

You dont need to worry about the 100 moves that each character has. A lot of them are not even viable for competitive play. Most players will be focusing on key moves/bnb's.

Also when I learn a new character I always limit myself first. I dont like to be overwhelmed. I learn like 10 moves max. I seriously just type in google: "top 10 moves jin ttt2". I focus on learning safe moves first. Their best 10 frame punisher, a launcher, a good low poke and mid poke etc. I learn combos last.
 

Onemic

Member
BDC,movement and wave dashing are the advanced stuff you keep on using and improving on all the time

I use Mokujin so i had to atleast know a bunch of stuff. The easiest way it worked for me is that i learned the mechanics of the game and all the basic stuff that could apply to everyone.
Once you learn that and how the game flows in general then it becomes easy to pick up the characters(minus the really advanced ones)
The limb per button system helps identifying stuff from just looking most of the time
You'd be surprised to see how much you can pick up and understand from videos and tournaments just having learned the basic stuff and flow

What are the basic things that apply to everyone? From the ATP guide he only mentioned the universal run moves and throws.(Im not sure if the juggles he mentioned were specific to the character, or if most characters have the same move notation)
 

Numb

Member
What are the basic things that apply to everyone? From the ATP guide he only mentioned the universal run moves and throws.(Im not sure if the juggles he mentioned were specific to the character, or if most characters have the same move notation)

Movement is the most important as usual
Breaking grabs. Although they simplified it alittle in Tekken 7 where the basic ones don't require inputting the correct hand to break
On the ground status. I remember struggling with this early. You can be reset for combo if you get up wrong.There many ways to to get up .
Quick getup,roll in ,get up attack mid/low etc. You can even roll in the BG/FG/frw/back
Low parry is good to know aswell. Input DF when a low move is about hit you Usually in strings. Became better in Tekken 7 since you get a much longer combo that before

Big characters usually get combos that only work on them but it isn't a big deal
 

GrayFoxPL

Member
What are the basic things that apply to everyone? From the ATP guide he only mentioned the universal run moves and throws.(Im not sure if the juggles he mentioned were specific to the character, or if most characters have the same move notation)

Numb probably means stuff tied to frame data, punishers, crush moves, pokes and frame advantage on block. Things tied to playstyle. In that sense it is universal because every character has that, but it doesn't mean you two characters should be played the same way.

Edit:
Ops, sorry Numb. I thought about something different.
 

Numb

Member
Numb probably means stuff tied to frame data, punishers, crush moves, pokes and frame advantage on block. Things tied to playstyle. In that sense it is universal because every character has that, but it doesn't mean you two characters should be played the same way.

Edit:
Ops, sorry Numb.

No problem
The stuff you mentioned are also important
I was setting my mind on things that are unique to Tekken
Ops, sorry Numb. I thought about something different.

Im sure i'm looking over other stuff unique to Tekken
 

sasuke_91

Member
Okay guys this tourney is a mess. NinthPixel has my deepest respect for managing to host an Onine tournament every week. This shit is unmanagable.
We lost our first 3v3 off-stream and were supposed to play against Tuobbos' team. He told me he dropped out and asked Fraeon to replace him. Fraeon is Offline right now...
I guess we won this match by default now? Oo
 

GrayFoxPL

Member
Okay guys this tourney is a mess. NinthPixel has my deepest respect for managing to host an Onine tournament every week. This shit is unmanagable.
We lost our first 3v3 off-stream and were supposed to play against Tuobbos' team. He told me he dropped out and asked Fraeon to replace him. Fraeon is Offline right now...
I guess we won this match by default now? Oo

You won sitting in the lobby? Only Doomshine managed to do this. ;)
 

AAK

Member
Dang @ the Yoshimitsu wizardry.

And have fun in the tournament today Sasuke!

The Death Stranding trailer had me thinking...

Was Dragunov modeled after Mads Mickelsen? Is it a Raven/Wesley Snipes type situation?

He always reminded me more of Marilyn Manson when I first saw his reveal in the DR trailer.

Its gonna take me a while to get BDC and wave dashing down. Its already improved a lot over the past few days, so seeing the immediate progress is encouraging. Same with EWHF. I'll probably work on learning the wakeup game today.

One question I have towards game knowledge though. How do you guys figure out all the characters moves in the game and how to beat them? Doesnt Tekken have something like 100 moves for each character? It's not even like the character roster is small too, yet commentators seem to know the exact notation for every characters move...which just seems insane to me coming from SF where the moves and properties of each character is very limited in comparison.

It all comes with time. Also, it might seem like the commentators know exactly what every move is but the matches that are being displayed only exhibit the top 15-20 moves of each character. For all the other moves you come across there is a type of logic you can apply to all the moves 90% of the time to isolate what weakness is. I made a document briefly discussing this a couple years ago. Here's the link to the google doc which you can download here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7964A-TJw71OG1QNHNYTkxSbWJnZlI1ek1TN0NxVkNrRkRV/view?usp=drivesdk

I wrote it in quite a hurry back then so if anything doesn't make sense feel free to ask.
 

Onemic

Member
Good luck!



Hmm not sure. Dragunov came out a year before Mads Mickelsen got kind of popular. I dont think they look much a like either.



You dont need to worry about the 100 moves that each character has. A lot of them are not even viable for competitive play. Most players will be focusing on key moves/bnb's.

Also when I learn a new character I always limit myself first. I dont like to be overwhelmed. I learn like 10 moves max. I seriously just type in google: "top 10 moves jin ttt2". I focus on learning safe moves first. Their best 10 frame punisher, a launcher, a good low poke and mid poke etc. I learn combos last.

Definitely gonna do this. Thanks.

Dang @ the Yoshimitsu wizardry.

And have fun in the tournament today Sasuke!



He always reminded me more of Marilyn Manson when I first saw his reveal in the DR trailer.



It all comes with time. Also, it might seem like the commentators know exactly what every move is but the matches that are being displayed only exhibit the top 15-20 moves of each character. For all the other moves you come across there is a type of logic you can apply to all the moves 90% of the time to isolate what weakness is. I made a document briefly discussing this a couple years ago. Here's the link to the google doc which you can download here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7964A-TJw71OG1QNHNYTkxSbWJnZlI1ek1TN0NxVkNrRkRV/view?usp=drivesdk

I wrote it in quite a hurry back then so if anything doesn't make sense feel free to ask.

This is a great guide. Thanks.
 
One question I have towards game knowledge though. How do you guys figure out all the characters moves in the game and how to beat them? Doesnt Tekken have something like 100 moves for each character? It's not even like the character roster is small too, yet commentators seem to know the exact notation for every characters move...which just seems insane to me coming from SF where the moves and properties of each character is very limited in comparison.

Those commentators get stuff wrong too, especially if it's about characters they don't play.

It's like in every fighting game, after you get blown up by something you get into the lab and see how it works. Slowly build up your knowledge base.
 

GrayFoxPL

Member
Just don't be afraid to get bodied 1000 times, because it's the only true way to learn.

Everyone's a bitch at the start.

You don't go to this:

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Without going through this stage first:

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Onemic

Member
Just don't be afraid to get bodied 1000 times, because it's the only true way to learn.

Everyone's a bitch at the start.

You don't go to this:

EW6HRtF.gif


Without going through this stage first:

2N4kYvp.gif

Yes...the dreaded, but inevitable losing phase. I remember how much I hated it when I first started taking SF seriously. Constant 10+ losing streaks and a nice sub 20% win rate ;_;

Im actually surprised I didnt outright quit FG's with all the punishment and trolling I was taking. Guess I gotta refill my masochism gauge again.
 

GrayFoxPL

Member
Didn't the hero/MC die in this fighting his enemy

Depending on the version you saw heheh. It was the time where HK movies had 2 endings.: Real one and Political Correct "Good guy always wins." version.

Yes...the dreaded, but inevitable losing phase. I remember how much I hated it when I first started taking SF seriously. Constant 10+ losing streaks and a nice sub 20% win rate ;_;

Im actually surprised I didnt outright quit FG's with all the punishment and trolling I was taking. Guess I gotta refill my masochism gauge again.

It's like going to prison really.

Wait...
 

Numb

Member
Depending on the version you saw heheh. It was the time where HK movies had 2 endings.: Real one and Political Correct "Good guy always wins." version.

lol so there is a version where the main bad guy did't throw him off the building falling onto his pregnant girls' car
 

sasuke_91

Member
Two 70MB sized gifs, might wanna shrink these for the mobile users

And here I was wondering why I reached the data cap so fast o.o

You won sitting in the lobby? Only Doomshine managed to do this. ;)

Well honestly, it was the only match I won :p


The tournament was chaotic as hell. I was the one hosting our lobby and had to contact our opponents everytime. We played our first matches against Arsenalty's team. Items and customs in general were not allowed, yet nobody seemed to have read the rules. And some item moves deal a whole lot of damage.
Anyway, we lost 6-1 and I tried to contact the second team. Tuobbos answered and told me he dropped out (the story I told earlier). So we won our second match without playing.
The third team was a bunch of high level players. A Seiryu double Ling player beat us 6-0 and we were done. After that we played some casual games though and I also got to play JustSirDanN, a Steve/Marduk player I wanted to play against for quite some time.
The stream is still running and they're far from done.

Edit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qRd7Iz_hJCApgsg_iPze9_rgK0AeBqibDuSvKfUOgfA/htmlview#
Here's the brackets and stuff. I don't know why I didn't post this earlier.
 

GrayFoxPL

Member
Shame the stream was 80% waiting in the lobby, because from what I saw from the matches it was really good. Tons of characters played on high level. Really cool.

Don't worry Sasuke, later events will go better, I'm sure.
 
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