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(Telegraph) World power swings back to America

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Deku

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eastmen said:
The states are fine. We produce so much corn that we now use it for food and put it in food products that don't need it .


Someone on this forum once noted how they're surprised everything is made of corn in North America. It's true.


Chiggs said:
That's courtesy of me not providing the necessary clarity. I thought the book was rather topical, even though it's not by the same author. Sorry for the confusion.

No problem. thanks for clarifying. :)
 
Thanks to mass immigration, the United States will be the dominant world power for years to come.

The only thing I can imagine rivaling it is if the European Union unites to one country.
 
hsukardi said:
It would've been impossible to predict Apple's rise in the tech sector because an idea changed the business.

Basic factors and advantages matter, but innovation drives a lot of progress.

You mean Apple's early 2000s re-rise? Well, it depends when specifically the prediction was made and how large of a rise was predicted. The thing about Apple is with the case of their Ipods, Iphones, and Ipads, is that there was no heavy, long-drawn out R&D involved, since portable digital music players, cell phones with touch screens, and tablets had already existed and tested before such products were released. Apple has has the ability to essentially "hide" much of their product lines' R&D, since it has a relatively short time from concept to the assembly line, as it's simply innovating off of existing technologies.
 

Bento

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Mr. E. Yis said:
Why is this supposed to be a good thing for our future?? Only makes the coming food and water problems worse.
Well you could have ended up in an European situation otherwise with too few working men and women in relation to the amount of retired people, not a nice situation to be in.
 

remnant

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Deku said:
The source is an opinion piece. And as the saying goes everyone has one of those.

Impossible to predict anything. 20 years ago Japan was a safe bet. People forget now but in the late 80s Japan had a 4 trillion GDP to the US' 7 trillion.

10 years ago, it looked like US post-cold war internet fueled bubble of DOW to 20,000 was not going to stop.

Right now it's all about the decline and fall of the west and China/India.

We'll see :)
To be fair to the authors, a lot of "japan/china/india etc etc is taking.' often comes from ignorance in economics and policy. Japan fall was plausible, though surprising and their "lost decade" was incredibly easy to see. Even now China is growing a few big bubbles, but no one seems to see them.

People focus to much on bad news that promotes their point of view I think.
 

Tristam

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Deku said:
Pan AM in the future, and Japan Inc spamming Geishas everywhere.

Even Blade Runner got it wrong =/

Well, Blade Runner got a lot of things wrong...unless we're going to see enormous advances in technology in the next 8 years. But I guess 2019 seemed so far off to people in the early 1980s.
 

_Xenon_

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The problem with Japan is they are not a functional country. Their people are smart, their will are strong and their community is unified but too bad they have to rely heavily on the US for their national defense, which means they have no bargain chip on any kind of trade table. Same thing goes to Korea. A strong national defense doesn't mean you have to bust into other people's door but it does mean you have a vast advantage on trades. That's why the US dollar is the only currency used on oil trading and that's why the so called "US free market(tm)" is all over the world which only benefits the US (the top 1% of the US) in the end.

remnant said:
To be fair to the authors, a lot of "japan/china/india etc etc is taking.' often comes from ignorance in economics and policy. Japan fall was plausible, though surprising and their "lost decade" was incredibly easy to see. Even now China is growing a few big bubbles, but no one seems to see them.

People focus to much on bad news that promotes their point of view I think.
It's funny because whenever I read articles on WSJ or something I see they say the housing bubble in China is gonna bust and China is gonna collapse. Now the housing price is actually falling but I can't see shit on these sites. I wonder why.
 

Tristam

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_Xenon_ said:
The problem with Japan is they are not a functional country. Their people are smart, their will are strong and their community is unified but too bad they have to rely heavily on the US for their national defense, which means they have no bargain chip on any kind of trade table. Same thing goes to Korea. A strong national defense doesn't mean you have to bust into other people's door but it does mean you have a vast advantage on trades. That's why the US dollar is the only currency used on oil trading and that's why the so called "US free market(tm)" is all over the world which only benefits the US (the top 1% of the US) in the end.

We continue to run massive trade deficits with Korea and Japan both. I thought when you said that Japan is dysfunctional that you were going to point to their politics, which would have been a much stronger point.
 

Deku

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Tristam said:
We continue to run massive trade deficits with Korea and Japan both. I thought when you said that Japan is dysfunctional that you were going to point to their politics, which would have been a much stronger point.

Japan is a democracy, had elections, free press and everything but during the boom years it effectively was a one party state, It had an opposition the whole time, though feeble by western standards, was largely left alone to do its job and oppose, and not bullied into irrelevance as was found in Taiwan, Korea (pre 1990s) or Singapore (still is the case). Due to patronage of the ruling party, they were able to stay in power, save for a brief period in the mid 90s, until the formation of the DPJ government recently. A lot of infrastructure was built this way. Bridges to everywhere, that kind of thing.

It's politics has only become less stable in the last decade, after the first 10 years of the 'lost decade'.
 

_Xenon_

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Tristam said:
We continue to run massive trade deficits with Korea and Japan both. I thought when you said that Japan is dysfunctional that you were going to point to their politics, which would have been a much stronger point.
Running trade deficits doesn't mean it's hurting business especially those big banks business. The street invest heavily in the Asia market so boosting their business by killing American business is actually a good bargain. Sure Joe average American can't find jobs either because they are outsourced or their cars can't compete against Japanese cars but sorry they are 99%.

And do you know why your government keeps jabing at China? We take your jobs, and we don't open market to your banks. One of the issues your GOP dudes kept ranting about during President Hu's visit early this year is China not being open enough on their domestic market to foreign investors. Sorry that's not going to happen, we have nuclears.

As for the Japanese government, that's not an issue. Their government is just a puppet show. The whole Japanese economy is controlled by like 6 financial groups for decades. Their economy module is stable, regardless who becomes their new president.
 

djtiesto

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Chiggs said:
Yeah, he even admits that in the opening, but tension between the US, Japan and Turkey isn't exactly far-fetched given the right circumstances.

The book is definitely worth a read, but I know some of the content will make people flip out.



That's courtesy of me not providing the necessary clarity. I thought the book was rather topical, even though it's not by the same author. Sorry for the confusion.

Yeah, I read the book though I can't say I agree with most of it. It's very entertaining, I dug the "Poland being a world power" part (CD Projekt Red is just the beginning!). The only thing I can think of that has potential of being true is the Mexican demographic in the southwest US being so high, and the border becoming much more porous, that Mexico (now in a near-superpower state) will have successfully "invaded" America without even needing to go to war.

Wouldn't mind seeing Japan rise again, like in the book (but without the orbital death star system!), if only for some more cool videogames to come that way ;)
 

LQX

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djtiesto said:
Yeah, I read the book though I can't say I agree with most of it. It's very entertaining, I dug the "Poland being a world power" part (CD Projekt Red is just the beginning!). The only thing I can think of that has potential of being true is the Mexican demographic in the southwest US being so high, and the border becoming much more porous, that Mexico (now in a near-superpower state) will have successfully "invaded" America without even needing to go to war.

Wouldn't mind seeing Japan rise again, like in the book (but without the orbital death star system!), if only for some more cool videogames to come that way ;)
Rise military wise? If so for what purpose?
 

140.85

Cognitive Dissonance, Distilled
~Kinggi~ said:
lmfao, having seen Gasland i weep for humanity. Bunch of fucktards.

Gasland is only one (very skewed and biased) view on the subject.

Just because it presented as a serious documentary doesn't mean it's accurate.
 
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