BFI shouldn't really add any real latency, it is interpolation that will do it which on both the ZD and the DX are required for 1080 motion. (combination of BFI and interpolation as hinted on the HDTV test reviews)Theonik I actually want to thank you lol, after our discussion I went to test the lag with BFI (1080 motion) on, and I'm actually amazed that I can't detect any lag increase, not to say it's no there, but I must have flicked back and forth 20 times with various games at 4K, so probably around 40ms in total, couldn't see any flickering either, very impressed. I only ever tested it at 1080p and it didn't feel very good, should have tried it at 4K earlier!
BFI shouldn't really add any real latency, it is interpolation that will do it which on both the ZD and the DX are required for 1080 motion. (combination of BFI and interpolation as hinted on the HDTV test reviews)
BFI when done correctly should add only a few ms of input lag. The lag comes from the time that the backlight stays black in order to hide the blur from pixel transitions.
What's BFI?
Yeah I have the 902 and it out specs the ZD in every way, bar the ZD has 130 more zones, 512 vs 640, I've said it for ages that the DX is the best LCD you can get for your money.
I'm in the market for something in the 40" range. Don't really want to go higher if I can. But it has to at least have some of the latest goodies. HDR, high refresh rate, low input lag, etc. If none exists in that size higher is fine. What's the best recommendations out there?
Can anyone help me by uploading the SW File(Version 04.31.10) update for LG 55B6?
The one on Lg page keeps giving an error while unzipping all the time :/
Current
TV: Vizio e601i-a3
AV: Denon AVR-1713
*My Denon fits in the box by literally 2 cm (I built the entertainment center myself)
So I will monitor OLED like Redline suggested, as for receiver Im not really sure what I am supposed to be looking for to purchase
BOOM
obviously cellphone pics dont do it justice, but damn.
BLACK IS BLACK
Black Frame Insertion.
If you're strobing the entire screen at once, you need to wait for the entire image to be displayed - so that's 1 frame of lag.BFI when done correctly should add only a few ms of input lag. The lag comes from the time that the backlight stays black in order to hide the blur from pixel transitions.
Probably running at a higher rate than 60Hz; i.e. useless for actual content.Not quite sure how they've managed 1080 lines with no visible flickering though, my Sony W9 has some really noticeable flickering with BFI.
It's true what they say.
Once you go OLED, you don't go back.
OLED has the "it" factor if there ever was one, just like high end plasma, and the super-fine pitch tube Sony's. Looking at the Z9 and A1E, the oled just has that factor for example. I can't go back to lcd after OLED for my main TV.
Seeing that Monsters screenshot reminds me that I have SO many Blu-rays that I want to go back and watch on my B6.
I've watched Moana hundreds of times in the past month, and keep begging my daughter to want to watch something else. Haha.
Monsters University sure is pretty, even if I don't love the movie.
La La Land will be our first UHD Bluray watch tonight. We own Arrival too, but after testing out a few scenes, I've already concluded that the dark and dreariness of the film does not lend itself well to 4K/HDR.
The upscaling in the Xbox One S is impressive. Love it.
Currently watching Monsters University with my daughter and my jaw legit dropped.
Edit: Those colors though.
Nice pic. What's your tv settings? Vivid or isf?
La La Land was a blind buy for me and I wound up loving it. Looked great too with great colors. OLED can pull off Arrival very well if you watch it in a pitch dark room like I did, but if your display has a vertical band like mine does that movie will drive you nuts. The band has gotten much better (less visible) on mine since then so I need to watch it again.
I've only messed with standard.
Haven't invested the time or effort into ISF settings.
Panasonic is abandoning FALD this year and is moving all their high-end sets to OLED. Which is kind of a shame. The DX902 is also discontinued now so they will only vanish. Sony's in a really good position this year with the only real high-end LCDs on the market and what looks to be a decent OLED. But who knows how that will work out.In Canada it's selling for around $2500 USD.
I think Panny has gone full OLED. Looks like the premium 65" FALD market is going to dry up again. Shame.
Panasonic is abandoning FALD this year and is moving all their high-end sets to OLED. Which is kind of a shame. The DX902 is also discontinued now so they will only vanish. Sony's in a really good position this year with the only real high-end LCDs on the market and what looks to be a decent OLED. But who knows how that will work out.
I too saw the Sony for the first time yesterday, and although it is indeed a lovely thing, the stand is a deal-breaker for me. What were they thinking? However, for me, the only difference between the new LG range and the A1 is in motion. They look very close on everything else.
The big hold-up besides panel cost where LG is making progress is that LG bought the RGBW patent from Kodak and aren't licensing it out. There needs to be a major development by other manufacturers to bring these panels to other people and OLED is poorly suited to HDR anyway with LG's white subpixel notably helping with brightness but at the expense of colour accuracy.People just hear OLED and think it is inherently better. Don't get me wrong, the technology will ultimately prevail, but imagine an LED television with HDMI 2.1, FALD with more zones, over 2500 nits brightness and DCI 100% or more. When you see it fully calibrated, high nit brightness makes HDR look amazing. But then again, maybe no more half measures with LED and full steam ahead with OLED is the only thing that will bring rapid growth and investment. Get more panel makers, improve brightness and color accuracy etc.
1) You'd be surprised by how many people who buy TVs, especially these kinds of expensive centrepiece TVs don't buy home theatre setups. It's one thing to have a media room, and another when a lot of these will live in people's living rooms where you might not want a full setup and the less components the better. You also overestimate how much these cost. The X93C speakers are lovely btw. The A1E speaker setup has real benefits from a soundbar or even a full speaker setup though.The trouble with Sony is that they try to innovate with new speaker technology every few generations, which isn't cheap, and tbh isn't what people who buy those kinds of televisions want! Why on earth would you want to spend another 500-1000 on a useless vibrating speaker when you have Dolby Atmos or even an standard 5.1 setup, obviously haven't learnt from the crazy huge speakers they bolted on to the X900 and 93C.
Also how the hell do you wall mount it?
The trouble with Sony is that they try to innovate with new speaker technology every few generations, which isn't cheap, and tbh isn't what people who buy those kinds of televisions want! Why on earth would you want to spend another 500-1000 on a useless vibrating speaker when you have Dolby Atmos or even an standard 5.1 setup, obviously haven't learnt from the crazy huge speakers they bolted on to the X900 and 93C.
Also how the hell do you wall mount it?
The big hold-up besides panel cost where LG is making progress is that LG bought the RGBW patent from Kodak and aren't licensing it out. There needs to be a major development by other manufacturers to bring these panels to other people and OLED is poorly suited to HDR anyway with LG's white subpixel notably helping with brightness but at the expense of colour accuracy.
1) You'd be surprised by how many people who buy TVs, especially these kinds of expensive centrepiece TVs don't buy home theatre setups. It's one thing to have a media room, and another when a lot of these will live in people's living rooms where you might not want a full setup and the less components the better. You also overestimate how much these cost. The X93C speakers are lovely btw. The A1E speaker setup has real benefits from a soundbar or even a full speaker setup though.
2) The stand collapses back onto the display and there is a cover on the back of it that hides standard VESA mounting holes so you can use a standard bracket. It will stick 1-2 inches from the wall but that's standard. Hell the B6 did as well with its bottom bit hiding the electronics.
I'm not putting speakers on my ceiling tbh. Atmos can go get stuffed.
Having a good sound setup is a chore that i'm never going to tackle so high end TVs having decent sound is a pig plus for me.
Sony should indeed offer a cut down version of the A1 without the fancy speakers and a stand that can actually be used without aiming the TV at the ceiling.
The stand of the TV looks nice but it feels like the design was more important than the functionality of it.
It's true what they say.
Once you go OLED, you don't go back.
Yeah Z9D is possibly the most overrated tv ever. Not to say it's not a great set but it would only be worth the praise if it was the same price as the DX902, not so much considering what they're selling it for.The ZD9 being better in most ways is an myth! And a bit irritating, especially as the DX is so much cheaper, more expensive doesn't always mean it has to be better.
DX has better motion by far without resorting to any interpolation, which in turn looks nicer for gaming and with less lag. Which is actually important that they test like that from a gaming perspective.
Even then using interpolation on the DX only adds 12ms to around 47ms vs 100ms on the ZD!
DX covers 98% DCI vs 95-96 ZD
DX has lower input lag for 1080p 444 chroma 35 vs 42, and the DX has input lag in the late 20's for 4K too.
DX has the highest full screen brightness of any TV 800+nits vs 650 ish, also the DX gets up to 1300 nits which is just behind the ZD's 1600 or so.
DX has 4 HDMI HDCP 2.2 ports vs just 2 on the ZD
ZD has 130 more zones and has a bit less blooming basically.
How is it better in most ways?
The big hold-up besides panel cost where LG is making progress is that LG bought the RGBW patent from Kodak and aren't licensing it out. There needs to be a major development by other manufacturers to bring these panels to other people and OLED is poorly suited to HDR anyway with LG's white subpixel notably helping with brightness but at the expense of colour accuracy.
Yeah Z9D is possibly the most overrated tv ever. Not to say it's not a great set but it would only be worth the praise if it was the same price as the DX902, not so much considering what they're selling it for.