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[manngc]

First of all pushing someone off a cliff is not that same thing as letting someone die of natural causes. You're example is irrellevent.

I am curious about the money situation though.

Mann

 

[Outdoor Miner]

There have been accounts of nurses hearing Mike Shavio coming into the room asking, "Is the bitch dead yet?". Yeah, that's a real loving husband alright.

OMG just fuck off with those 3rd person-hesaid-shesaid accounts, ok?

 

[mrmyth]

You obviously don't know shit about the case. You're probably just heard about just now. Either way shut the fuck up. You don't know me.

Research the case. You'll find a man who endured the fucking hell of the misinformed for 15 years because he wanted to do what his wife asked him to do. If he had divorced her, she'd be on that tube AGAINST HER WISHES. Her parents have expressed the sentiment that they would've kept her body alive at any cost - including amputation of gangreneous limbs and organ transplants when 'necessary'. She's not a daughter to them. She's a possession.

Secondly, even if I'd heard about the case fifteen minutes ago, I'd still be better informed on it than you. You seem to be wallowing in your ignorance.

The man was married to her for six years. He took care of her for five before meeting his current girlfriend. Five years is more than enough grieving period for normal folk. He's moved on, but he still has loyalty to his wife. He's fought for what she wanted against some huge odds, and he's allowed her to die peacefully. If only we all could have such love.

I probably shouldn't even argue with you. I should know never to argue with an idiot. Its like mud wrestling with a pig. You both get filthy, and the pig likes it.

 

[Azih]

I don't think that is the case. The money has been siting in a trust fund since 92-93, Personally I believe it was about the money. If he took the money that others offered, it would blow his cover and everyone would then see it was about the money. Then even more people would harrass him and try to kill him.

Bullshit, This case was never high profile until now. Michael Schavio could have taken the money, run and everybody would have forgotten about him in three weeks tops. Hell he was offered 10 mill years ago.

Plus any expenses in the trust fund have to be approved by a JUDGE. And there's not much money left.


Why are you so utterly closed to the idea tha Michael Scahvio isn't the bad guy?

 

[Lucky Forward]

A bit of background on her bulimia:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-sidebar0331,1,1954732.story?coll=bal-home-headlines

Her shyness may have had something to do with her weight. Just 5-foot-3, she weighed 200 pounds in high school. "She cried a lot when she went to get clothes," said her mother, Mary.

By this time, the 200-pound Terri was no more. Dieting, she had lost more than 50 pounds by the time she started college. She dyed her hair blonde, wore a bikini, liked to tan and drive her Trans Am past construction sites.

"Terri has always been beautiful from the inside out," Meyer said. "And then when she lost all the weight, she really became quite beautiful on the outside as well. What was inside she allowed to shine out at that point."

Her friends and family say she was unhappy with Michael. He was controlling, they say, and tried to keep her away from them; he was abusive, they say, and told her that if she ever got fat again, he would leave her.

By this time, she weighed less than 120 pounds, and her ribs were visible.

"I eat, Mom. I eat," she told her concerned mother.

Her family doubts that she had a real eating disorder; her doctors are not sure whether anorexia or something like it was the root of the potassium imbalance they say probably caused her heart to stop on Feb. 25, 1990, when she collapsed in the hallway outside of her bedroom.

Sadly, it's easy to see how someone who was once 5'3" and 200 lbs. could develop the distorted self-image that led her to bulimia.

 

[Heezzi]

First of all pushing someone off a cliff is not that same thing as letting someone die of natural causes. You're example is irrellevent.

I am curious about the money situation though.

Mann

I never knew starvation/dehydration was dying of natural causes.

 

[Do The Mario]

You don't know me.

You sound like a crack whore from springer.

 

[mrmyth]

I never knew starvation/dehydration was dying of natural causes.

She felt about as much pain as my monitor feels displaying your idiotic drivel.



Maybe that's a bad example.

 

[Azih]

Starvation IS natural cause if YOU CAN'T FREAKING EAT.

Plus she's not dying of starvation she's dying of dehyrdration. You know why? BECAUSE SHE CAN'T DRINK. The feeding tube was the unnatural thing here and it was hooked up to a brain dead person.

There would be no reason to rush pulling her off the tube

Rush? It's been 15 freaking years. Michael moved on and had been trying to give his wife a peaceful death for nearly a DECADE now.

 

[Heezzi]

OMG just fuck off with those 3rd person-hesaid-shesaid accounts, ok?

How about the one from Michael stating that she didn't want to be kept alive? That's certainly hesaid-shesaid right?


No Living Will. No Deal.

 

[Solid]

Finally.

:lol

 

[xsarien]

How about the one from Michael stating that she didn't want to be kept alive? That's certainly hesaid-shesaid right?


No Living Will. No Deal.

It's "He said," plus common fucking sense. Unless you'd like to call his bluff and put it in writing that you would like to be kept alive in such a state for an indefinite amount of time. If he didn't care about her, he would've taken up the family on one of their myriad offers to divorce her and hand control over to them.

Michael Schiavo gets nothing out of her death, except the knowledge that she got what she wanted.

 

[DarienA]

I don't think that is the case. The money has been siting in a trust fund since 92-93, Personally I believe it was about the money. If he took the money that others offered, it would blow his cover and everyone would then see it was about the money. Then even more people would harrass him and try to kill him. So to have the general public have sympathy for him and get the money, he would just take what left.

"1992
A jury in Pinellas County, Florida, awards $1 million in a malpractice judgment; $700,000 of that is placed into a trust fund to pay for Terri Schiavo's care."

Most of th emoney has been in a trust fund to pay for the care... are you saying he stayed married with her to get the $300,000? When he'd been offered millions more?

One thing you have to look at, his being trying to get it removed since 98. He says that she didn't want to be kept alive if something happened to her. The only proof of that that is him saying that. If I pushed you off a bridge, and goto trial for it, and when they ask why did I do it, I say "the victim asked me to".

"He and his attorney said Terri made it clear years ago that she would not want to live in such a condition -- even though she never made a living will. They said she once made the comment to her best friend after seeing a movie in which a character was in such a state."

Do we know if this friend ever testified?

I had a aunt that was terminally ill and the only reason why she wasn't revived is because she signed a order for it. You don't know what the patient wanted. The parents doctors had stated that she could improve with therapy. What that even tried? No.

During the last case with doctor's testifying there were 3 doctors. 1 selected by the husband, 1 selected by the court, 1 selected by the family.

2 doctors(husband and court) testified(2002) she would not recover, 1 said she could.... while we could theorize that the family doctor's might sway... why would the court appointed doctor lie?

If she is a veggie and can't feel pain, why would it matter if she is kept alive longer to try therapy? There would be no reason to rush pulling her off the tube.

Rush? Terry collapsed in 1990, Michael didn't file to have the tube removed til 1998... how the hell is that rushing?

 

[Heezzi]

Starvation IS natural cause if YOU CAN'T FREAKING EAT.

Plus she's not dying of starvation she's dying of dehyrdration. You know why? BECAUSE SHE CAN'T DRINK. The feeding tube was the unnatural thing here and it was hooked up to a brain dead person.


Rush? It's been 15 freaking years. Michael moved on and had been trying to give his wife a peaceful death for a DECADE now.

If she couldn't eat or drink, they would have allowed her to be given regular food and water when the tube was removed.

Hell, people would get tackled trying to bring her food and water. If giving her food and water wouldn't have done any good, then they wouldn't have had an problem in leting her be given it.

 

[ge-man]

If she couldn't eat or drink, they would have allowed her to be given regular food and water when the tube was removed.

Hell, people would get tackled trying to bring her food and water. If giving her food and water wouldn't have done any good, then they wouldn't have had an problem in leting her be given it.

How stupid can you be? The hospice has had enough disturbance with those fools standing outside day and night. It's supposed to be a peaceful place for recover or death, not a fucking circus.

 

[mrmyth]

How about the one from Michael stating that she didn't want to be kept alive? That's certainly hesaid-shesaid right?


No Living Will. No Deal.

So you honestly think only Michael Schiavo's word convinced multiple judges?



Why did Terri’s husband get to make the decision about whether she should live or die?

Michael Schiavo did not make the decision to discontinue life-prolonging measures for Terri.

As Terri's husband, Michael has been her guardian and her surrogate decision-maker. By 1998, though -- eight years after the trauma that produced Terri's situation -- Michael and Terri's parents disagreed over the proper course for her.

Rather than make the decision himself, Michael followed a procedure permitted by Florida courts by which a surrogate such as Michael can petition a court, asking the court to act as the ward's surrogate and determine what the ward would decide to do. Michael did this, and based on statements Terri made to him and others, he took the position that Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures. The Schindlers took the position that Terri would continue life-prolonging measures. Under this procedure, the trial court becomes the surrogate decision-maker, and that is what happened in this case.

The trial court in this case held a trial on the dispute. Both sides were given opportunities to present their views and the evidence supporting those views. Afterwards, the trial court determined that, even applying the "clear and convincing evidence" standard -- the highest burden of proof used in civil cases -- the evidence showed that Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures.



Why didn’t the court appoint a guardian other than Terri’s husband to speak for her?

The trial judge could have utilized a guardian ad litem as a neutral party to speak for Terri, but in the end the trial judge did not do so. The Second District affirmed this decision and explained its rationale in this way:

Under these circumstances, the two parties, as adversaries, present their evidence to the trial court. The trial court determines whether the evidence is sufficient to allow it to make the decision for the ward to discontinue life support. In this context, the trial court essentially serves as the ward's guardian. Although we do not rule out the occasional need for a guardian in this type of proceeding, a guardian ad litem would tend to duplicate the function of the judge, would add little of value to this process, and might cause the process to be influenced by hearsay or matters outside the record. Accordingly, we affirm the trial court's discretionary decision in this case to proceed without a guardian ad litem.



Why didn’t Terri’s parents get a chance to prove that Terri wouldn’t want her feeding tube to be removed?

They did. As explained above, the trial judge held a trial on this issue and determined that the evidence clearly and convincingly showed that Terri would not want to continue life-prolonging measures in her current state.


http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

 

[Heezzi]

Rush? Terry collapsed in 1990, Michael didn't file to have the tube removed til 1998... how the hell is that rushing?

In any point in time, was she given therapy? Nope.


If she was a complete veggie, then the therapy wouldn't have done any good and the parents wouldn't have a case.

 

[Justin Bailey]

Wikipedia has a shit-ton of info (as usual) on all of this. I found out that he was actually offered 1 million dollars from a media tycoon to relenquish guardianship, his attorney says some offers went all the way up to 10 million. Whatever your stance is on all of this, it's obvious that this guy thought what he was doing was right. Personally I feel that is was the right thing to do. Technically, he had all the rights to do it under the law. RIP Terri.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo

 

[bob_arctor]

If she is a veggie and can't feel pain, why would it matter if she is kept alive longer to try therapy? There would be no reason to rush pulling her off the tube.

BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE WANTED. Good God, what is with people? We do not control Michael Schiavo's fucking mind. He says his wife wouldn't want to live that way. He is the legal guardian. A gajillion fucking judges, motherfuckers that busted their ass studying LAW to get to their positions, who know this case like the back of their hand, found in his favor. THE END.

This is not about what you think is right. Who the fuck cares what anyone thinks is right?

 

[Do The Mario]

If she couldn't eat or drink, they would have allowed her to be given regular food and water when the tube was removed.

Hell, people would get tackled trying to bring her food and water. If giving her food and water wouldn't have done any good, then they wouldn't have had an problem in leting her be given it.

:lol


You have to be

1. A joke poster

or

2. 13 years old.

how could she eat?

 

[darscot]

If she couldn't eat or drink, they would have allowed her to be given regular food and water when the tube was removed.

Hell, people would get tackled trying to bring her food and water. If giving her food and water wouldn't have done any good, then they wouldn't have had an problem in leting her be given it.

Because she would have choked to death. That would complicate the legal battle. Someone would could say it was intentional to put her out of her misery.

 

[mrmyth]

In any point in time, was she given therapy? Nope.


If she was a complete veggie, then the therapy wouldn't have done any good and the parents wouldn't have a case.

I'm starting to get that the reason this isn't getting through to you is that, like Terry Schiavo, your cerebral cortex is gone.

NO AMOUNT OF THERAPY IS GOING TO GROW YOUR BRAIN BACK.

 

[whytemyke]

i'm glad South Park was able to slip in right before the deadline...

 

[DarienA]

In any point in time, was she given therapy? Nope.


If she was a complete veggie, then the therapy wouldn't have done any good and the parents wouldn't have a case.

It is my pleasure to own the shit out of you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo

In 1994, after three years of trying traditional and experimental therapies, Schiavo accepted the diagnosis of an irreversible persistent vegetative state. In consultation with Terri's physician, Schiavo halted most therapy for his wife. In May 1998, seven years after Terri's collapse, Michael Schiavo filed a petition to discontinue life support for Terri Schiavo.


You lose.

And in regards to his getting the money from the malpractice?

Raising the issue of a possible conflict of interest is the fact that Mr. Schiavo stands to inherit the remainder of Mrs. Schiavo's malpractice settlement upon her death. Mr. Schiavo has publicly responded to this charge by claiming that of the original $1,050,000 awarded in the malpractice suit, less than $50,000 is left, the rest having been spent under a judge's supervision on medical care for Mrs. Schiavo and the ongoing legal battle. He had also had a contract drafted stating that should the Schindlers refrain from any further legal action, he will donate whatever his inheritance may be to charity. The Schindlers refused the offer.


You lose again.

 

[Azih]

In any point in time, was she given therapy? Nope.

Yes she was. For three Years after Terri fell in this state Michael did everything he could to provide her with therapy. He even flew her to California for an experimental procedure by specialists.

God you are so uninfomed. I'm thinking all the idiots standing outside the hospice are just as ignorant as you.

Edit: thank you Darien. Too bad Heezi here is completely convinced that he's right and nothing's going to get through his skull. Note how he's ignoring more and more points against him.

 

[Do The Mario]

NO AMOUNT OF THERAPY IS GOING TO GROW YOUR BRAIN BACK.

Yes but Jesus and possibly the Fonz could do it!

 

[MIMIC]

Sad to see her go (since she was brain dead anyway), but I couldn't help myself from saying, "FINALLY!"

 

[Heezzi]

NO AMOUNT OF THERAPY IS GOING TO GROW YOUR BRAIN BACK.

Stem Cells.

 

[darscot]

Stem Cells.

Time to head back under your bridge.

 

[DarienA]

Stem Cells.

Ok your posts in this thread are now obviously your attempt to be funny... stem cells cannot regrow memories among other things.

 

[bob_arctor]

Stem Cells.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA Try pushing that past the maniacs that are soooo concerned about her. You know, the jackasses carrying all those signs.

 

[Do The Mario]

Stem Cells.

So you are a Pro life nut supporting stem cells which are highly experimental and couldn’t possibly restore a part of someone’s brain without having detrimental effects on there personality functions etc..

Growing a new liver is one thing but growing a new brain is another (I think you need one).

 

[Heezzi]

Yes she was. For three Years after Terri fell in this state Michael did everything he could to provide her with therapy. He even flew her to California for an experimental procedure by specialists.

God you are so uninfomed. I'm thinking all the idiots standing outside the hospice are just as ignorant as you.

Edit: thank you Darien. Too bad Heezi here is completely convinced that he's right and nothing's going to get through his skull. Note how he's ignoring more and more points against him.

Much progress as been made in medicine since 93. It wouldn't have hurted to try. It's not up to man to decide the fate of others. If she couldn't have swallowed with out the tube, it would been better to let her choke to death.

 

[xsarien]

Stem Cells.

1) We're not at the point where we can just inject a whole bunch of stem cells into a nearly destroyed brain and have it magically grow back.

1a) Even if we were, the brain in her head would be a completely blank slate. She'd be an entirely new person in Terri Schiavo's body.

2) Thanks to the Bush administration - the same one that's hellbent on "saving" Terri, stem cell research is heavily underfunded. New Terri wouldn't have many years ahead of her, and the parents would most certainly be dead.

3) Before spouting off, do more research than reading newsbites from the AP and watching (God help you) TV news.

 

[bob_arctor]

Much progress as been made in medicine since 93. It wouldn't have hurted to try. It's not up to man to decide the fate of others. If she couldn't have swallowed with out the tube, it would been better to let her choke to death.

That's it, you fucked it all up. Before, your posts where idiotic but at least sincere (kinda), now I know you're just fucking around.

edit: "Hurted?" Nice. Good touch, that one.

 

[Heezzi]

So you are a Pro life nut supporting stem cells which are highly experimental and couldn’t possibly restore a part of someone’s brain without having detrimental effects on there personality functions etc..

Growing a new liver is one thing but growing a new brain is another (I think you need one).

The 5% of my brain I use is perfectly fine. If people can survice shotgun blasts to the head and recovering, anything can happen.

 

[Heezzi]

That's it, you fucked it all up. Before, your posts where idiotic but at least sincere (kinda), now I know you're just fucking around.

edit: "Hurted?" Nice. Good touch, that one.

Spell it then. I have a headache and can't type correctly.

 

[cubicle47b]

This is starting to get boring and stupid (okay, it's been stupid). Where's Jinx?

 

[mrmyth]

The 5% of my brain I use is perfectly fine. If people can survice shotgun blasts to the head and recovering, anything can happen.

Thread over. Don't forget to tip your waitress.

 

[DarienA]

The 5% of my brain I use is perfectly fine. If people can survice shotgun blasts to the head and recovering, anything can happen.

Your posts in this thread today prove one thing:

You're grossly over-estimating the amount of usage your brain is getting.

 

[sprsk]

you only use 5% of your brain?

it all makes sense now!

 

[levious]

The 5% of my brain I use is perfectly fine.

well that explains it, most people use 10 to 20 percent.

- but that whole unlocking the true potential of the mind is a myth anyway, but still funny that you decided to claim only 5 percent usage.

edit: I hate being last in line for an easy joke

 

[ge-man]

Much progress as been made in medicine since 93. It wouldn't have hurted to try. It's not up to man to decide the fate of others. If she couldn't have swallowed with out the tube, it would been better to let her choke to death.

First of all, this case isn't merely an example of a man determing her "fate". He went to court to prove that she did infact wish for the plug to be pulled if she ended up in a vegetative state.

Second of all, letting her choke to death is better than pulling her feeding tube? I'm beginning to think that you are trying to provoke us with stupid ideas.

 

[sprsk]

well that explains it, most people use 10 to 20 percent.

- but that whole unlocking the true potential of the mind is a myth anyway, but still funny that you decided to claim only 5 percent usage.

edit: I hate being last in line for an easy joke

we use all of our brain silly billy
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm

 

[NLB2]

After reading some of the pointless arguments in this thread (what does it matter, the bitch is dead?) I was very glad to take a glance at your avatar, DarienA. And its right, this thread does need more cowbell.

 

[Do The Mario]

The 5% of my brain I use is perfectly fine. If people can survice shotgun blasts to the head and recovering, anything can happen.

Someone surviving a shotgun blast to the head is not the same as growing a new brain (hopefully the thinking 5% of your Brain understands this). I take it you have no science qualifications (and if you attend a University you are an embarrassment to it).

P.S Speak English Fucker.

 

[Heezzi]

you only use 5% of your brain?

it all makes sense now!

Hmm.. I learned somehting today.

http://www.brainconnection.com/topics/printindex.php3?main=fa/brain-myth

 

[Hitokage]

Much progress as been made in medicine since 93. It wouldn't have hurted to try. It's not up to man to decide the fate of others. If she couldn't have swallowed with out the tube, it would been better to let her choke to death.

So actively killing her is better than letting her go on her own? Who is deciding fate here?

You know, I can't really blame you for being so utterly misinformed... the media has been dissembling this story as much as it can. That, or you don't care anyway and are just trolling, in which case, fuck you.

 

[levious]

we use all of our brain silly billy
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm

And how much of your brain did you use to read my second sentence?

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

:lol


You have to be

1. A joke poster

or

2. 13 years old.

how could she eat?

Hey, don't be hating on the 13 year old ninjaz that post on messageboards. I was once one, and let me tell you, I had about 900% more common sense than this retard. I still barely believe he actually fulfilled the white trash Jerry Springer archetype by typing "you don't know me."