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[cloudwalking]

I'd wager 90% of women give themselves self-depreciating remarks. That is their nature. Hence the need for significant others to always remind them how good they look, how nice they smell. Things like that. I really can't offer compassion to a person who does this. Just like suicide victims, they take the 'easy way' out. To achieve things in life, things that are worth obtaining, you need hard work and dedication, not the quick index finger down the windpipe. So no, we are right in our opinion of this whole situation. She, in essense, killed herself. I don't consider it being heartless, just a non partial view to this. Boils down to the fact she was in that predicament because of her actions, not anyone else's. That is the argument I think people such as myself are making.

As a person who has had to deal with having an eating disorder, I can tell you right away you're really not seeing the whole picture.

The goal of any eating disorder that develops is not to kill yourself. It's to just LOSE WEIGHT, in order to conform to this rediculous stereotype that the media portrays for women. It becomes an obsession... every time you open a magazine, turn on the television, go to the movies, you see society's definition of perfect. How can you blame girls today for this kind of a mindset? I have 13-year old girls come up to me at work and tell me "I'm fat, I should skip lunch today." That just saddens me.

For girls, it's not okay to carry a few extra pounds. When I started trying to starve myself, I now realize I wasn't even heavy by most regular people's standards! But at that time I was depressed, confused, upset... It was a rough time in my life, and one thing I found comfort in was skipping meals, sometimes for days, and watching myself get skinnier and skinner. "If I can't be happy, at least I can be the skinniest girl." Is what I would tell myself.

Lucky for me, this didn't go on for very long until my attentive parents noticed, and made me realize what I was doing was stupid and wrong. I realized that no matter how much I went on with this, it would never be enough.

But some people, like Terri, never get the support they need. They never get to feel that acceptance, and that love... even though it might be there, they just can't see it... their perception of themself is far too violently skewed. And it destroys them in the end.

Eating disorders are not a suicide wish. They are not a cry for attention. They are not a stupid choice a person makes on a whim. It's a severly distorted mental image of yourself that builds and builds and builds... it's almost like it's evil. And some people can never get away from it. When you've had to experience it, you know.

 

[FlameOfCallandor]

I don't know if anyone has already said this, but despite whether Schiavo could feel her body dieing or not, the fact remains that she is a human being...does the fact that she died slowly over rougly 14 days not seem cruel and unusal? Stop thinking about the money or the husband for a second, and just think about Schiavo herself. This was mentioned much earlier, but no one would let their dog die slowly over 14 days, and surely a human being would deserve better treatment, regardless of mental condition.

I find it very strange that just a few weeks ago 'right to life' arguements were all you heard about on tv...now it's all about right to death.

If those points had already been made, sorry~

FoC
~

 

[bob_arctor]

I don't know if anyone has already said this, but despite whether Schiavo could feel her body dieing or not, the fact remains that she is a human being...does the fact that she died slowly over rougly 14 days not seem cruel and unusal? Stop thinking about the money or the husband for a second, and just think about Schiavo herself. This was mentioned much earlier, but no one would let their dog die slowly over 14 days, and surely a human being would deserve better treatment, regardless of mental condition.

I find it very strange that just a few weeks ago 'right to life' arguements were all you heard about on tv...now it's all about right to death.

If those points had already been made, sorry~

FoC
~

What part of "She did not want to be kept alive this way" do you not understand? All the rest of the argument is worthless, hopeless, and endless.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

Well, that's the issue, isn't it? She did't really have much of a 'choice'. Neither in life, nor in death, it seems.

However, I would argue that she was a vegetable. However, the fact that an MRI was never performed is just . . . baffling. Such results could have eliminated much of the controversy over a possible 'recovery' (which, simply, was for all intents and purposes, impossible.) Almost to the level of malpractice on the part of her doctors, and guardian misconduct on the part of her husband.

I believe there will be an autospy, her husband is issuing one.

I hate to sound like I'm heartless. I'm just tired of this whole charade with it. My mom had to go thru the same thing with her father. Not a feeding tube, but he was hooked up to a machine that provided him life. No, I've never had an eating disorder, so no, I can't place myself in her shoes.

Cloudwalking: What is the difference between her condition and anorexia? I'd imagine you'd know since you have been in a similar situation like Terri has been.

 

[DarienA]

Well, that's the issue, isn't it? She did't really have much of a 'choice'. Neither in life, nor in death, it seems.

However, I would argue that she was a vegetable. However, the fact that an MRI was never performed is just . . . baffling. Such results could have eliminated much of the controversy over a possible 'recovery' (which, simply, was for all intents and purposes, impossible.) Almost to the level of malpractice on the part of her doctors, and guardian misconduct on the part of her husband.

"Schiavo was not evaluated with the more detailed techniques of a PET scan and an MRI. A PET scan could have been done in her condition. An MRI was not immediately possible because of thalamic implants that Schiavo had received in 1992; they were intended for therapy but did not improve Schiavo's condition. They could have been surgically removed, making an MRI possible. Michael Schiavo chose not to have them removed, against the recommendation of the doctor who implanted them. "

I just want this whole thing to get out of the news... <thinks about MiJac becoming the headlines again>.... I think.


Here's the thing some people missed... she told her best friend years ago she didn not want to live like this... the best friend went testified this same piece of news.... yes you could argue the best friend was lying but let's take it at face value.

She was diagnosed PVS... she told her friend she wouldn't want to live like this... the husband the legal guardian also knew this and want to respect her wishes.

That should have been the end of it.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

This was mentioned much earlier, but no one would let their dog die slowly over 14 days, and surely a human being would deserve better treatment, regardless of mental condition.

If the dog was in the same liquid for brain situation, it wouldn't matter.

 

[cloudwalking]

Cloudwalking: What is the difference between her condition and anorexia? I'd imagine you'd know since you have been in a similar situation like Terri has been.

Here's some Wikipedia goodness since I'm terrible at definitions:

Bulimia nervosa, more commonly known as bulimia, is a psychological condition in which the subject engages in recurrent binge eating followed by intentionally doing one or more of the following in order to compensate for the intake of the food and prevent weight gain:

* vomiting
* inappropriate use of laxatives, enemas, diuretics or other medication
* excessive exercising
* fasting

Anorexia nervosa (commonly shortened to anorexia) is an eating disorder characterised by voluntary starvation and exercise stress. Anorexia nervosa is a complex disease, involving psychological, sociological and physiological components.

So, basically, a bulemic person will still eat, but they will go and throw up their food right afterward. Bulemic people are known to be quite sneaky about their purging... I've heard girls at my high school had gone so far as to purge in bowls in their rooms after dinner and then dump them late at night...

Anorexia is different because the person chooses not to eat entirely, and that usually goes hand in hand with excessive exercise. It's basically starvation... but they don't realize they're starving themselves. Anorexics almost develop a fear of food. If it gets really serious, it can get to the point where the person just CAN'T eat at all.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

Some new choice quotes:
Delay:

Quote:
"This loss happened because our legal system did not protect the people who need protection most, and that will change."

Quote:
"The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior, but not today. Today we grieve, we pray, and we hope to God this fate never befalls another."

he just had to make these same decisions and he's saying this crap? It's astounding what politicians will say to get (and keep) a vote.

I especially like the "we hope to God this fate never befalls another" part. Does he think that miraculously, because Terri died, there will not be anymore braindead people? They will all be cured, forever and ever, Amen.

 

[Diablos]

Rest in Peace...

 

[DJ Sl4m]

No doubt it should have never gone on this long, or been in the public spotlight.

Besides all it takes is a few minutes to read over Terrys blog to see she was gone a long time ago.

http://durrrrr.blogspot.com/

Sorry about that, RIP finally.

 

[bob_arctor]

he just had to make these same decisions and he's saying this crap? It's astounding what politicians will say to get (and keep) a vote.

I especially like the "we hope to God this fate never befalls another" part. Does he think that miraculously, because Terri died, there will not be anymore braindead people? They will all be cured, forever and ever, Amen.

Some more:

Rick "My last name means something I just don't know what" Santorum:

"The actions on the part of the Florida court and the U.S. Supreme Court are unconscionable. In California, Scott Peterson, a convicted murderer, was sentenced to death, yet his constitutional rights were upheld to ensure that he received due process and fair consideration in court. Terri Schiavo was given a death sentence, and passed away without the right to due process."

"[This is] routinely done by the courts — deciding they are now a super-legislature," Santorum said. "I'm not sure if the press realizes how serious this conflict is between the branches of government and how gravely concerned members of Congress are with [the] kinds of judicial tyranny we've seen. ...

Richard Lessner, jerkwad director of the American Conservative Union:

"I think it has once again cast a light on the need to address the role of courts and judges in our society. The people's representatives ought to have some say in this and the idea that we're sort of beholden to the role of judges is ridiculous"

Yet, not one of them addresses the plain fact that the majority of the population sided with the courts decision. Nice.

 

[ge-man]

he just had to make these same decisions and he's saying this crap? It's astounding what politicians will say to get (and keep) a vote.

I especially like the "we hope to God this fate never befalls another" part. Does he think that miraculously, because Terri died, there will not be anymore braindead people? They will all be cured, forever and ever, Amen.

What do you expect? DeLay is the slimmest scumbag in congress. He'll say any kind of bullshit to acomplish his aim, regardless of whether or not it's hypocritcal or a flat out lie.

 

[karasu]

There was a nurse that said they treated her for pain so I don't know why everyone is so sure that she didn't feel anything, or why you're making light of her situation. It was a horrible way to go, pain or no pain. Not all doctors agreed that she was beyond improvement, so try having some fecking compassion why don't you. Give the cynicism a rest. Mentallyd amaged or not she was a real fuckin person. Even if someone commits suicide(she didn't), it's fucked up that it's the choice they made.

RIP lady

 

[FlameOfCallandor]

There was a nurse that said they treated her for pain so I don't know why everyone is so sure that she didn't feel anything, or why you're making light of her situation. It was a horrible way to go, pain or no pain. Not all doctors agreed that she was beyond improvement, so try having some fecking compassion why don't you.

Thank you~

Does anyone think that the Supreme court really let us down on this one? Or that they should have reviewed the case? I'm not sure how I feel about all the politics involved...

 

[mrmyth]

Okay, lemme put it in geek terms -



Her motherboard had no CPU. She wouldn't know if her fucking hard drive was failing. It was all the motherboard could do to keep the clock running. Her DVD drive wouldn't accept any discs.


Better?



Look, all that fucking died was a shell. It wasn't a person anymore than a toilet paper roll is. HER BRAIN WAS GONE. The body was on pain meds as a precaution. Beyond the morphine, its a known fact that dehydration causes euphoria. IF Terry Schiavo had had a functioning brain, she'd have felt better than any one of us.

But she didn't.

 

[Heezzi]

Here's the thing some people missed... she told her best friend years ago she didn not want to live like this... the best friend went testified this same piece of news.... yes you could argue the best friend was lying but let's take it at face value.

She was diagnosed PVS... she told her friend she wouldn't want to live like this... the husband the legal guardian also knew this and want to respect her wishes.

That should have been the end of it.

Since when do people in a persistant veggative state talk?

 

[Drinky Crow]

The courts upheld the fucking CONSTITUTION.

That's it. End of discussion.

 

[xabre]

Ok, they can put the feeding tube back in now.

 

[karasu]

Okay, lemme put it in geek terms -



Her motherboard had no CPU. She wouldn't know if her fucking hard drive was failing. It was all the motherboard could do to keep the clock running. Her DVD drive wouldn't accept any discs.


Better?



Look, all that fucking died was a shell. It wasn't a person anymore than a toilet paper roll is. HER BRAIN WAS GONE. The body was on pain meds as a precaution. Beyond the morphine, its a known fact that dehydration causes euphoria. IF Terry Schiavo had had a functioning brain, she'd have felt better than any one of us.

But she didn't.

for crying out loud

 

[DarienA]

Since when do people in a persistant veggative state talk?

Answer A:
She told her friends that after watching a movie, this all took place before her condition, dumbass.

Answer B:
I don't know... how long have you been doing it?

 

[Boomer]

The courts upheld the fucking CONSTITUTION.

That's it. End of discussion.

Even if I agree with you, your "always right" attitude is REALLY annoying.

 

[Drinky Crow]

But I am always right. I'm really, really smart. I even have a special sticker my teacher gave me that says so.

See? "DRINKY CROW: SMARTEST BOY IN SCHOOL"

Respect!

 

[Kuroyume]

Answer A:

Answer B:
I don't know... how long have you been doing it?

:lol :lol :lol

 

[GaimeGuy]

Answer A:
She told her friends that after watching a movie, this all took place before her condition, dumbass.

Answer B:
I don't know... how long have you been doing it?

:lol

 

[Duck of Death]

Answer A:
She told her friends that after watching a movie, this all took place before her condition, dumbass.

Answer B:
I don't know... how long have you been doing it?

:lol

 

[MassiveAttack]

 

[borghe]

The courts upheld the fucking CONSTITUTION.

That's it. End of discussion.

wow.. I agree with drinky for once..

yeah, pretty much sums it up.. love or hate what happened, congress had no fucking business trying to overturn a judge's ruling.. I hope those fucks end up out on their asses come election time... whichever WI senator is specifically going to be voted against by me (Paul Ryan I think).

 

[brooklyngooner]

There was a nurse that said they treated her for pain so I don't know why everyone is so sure that she didn't feel anything, or why you're making light of her situation. It was a horrible way to go, pain or no pain. Not all doctors agreed that she was beyond improvement, so try having some fecking compassion why don't you. Give the cynicism a rest. Mentallyd amaged or not she was a real fuckin person. Even if someone commits suicide(she didn't), it's fucked up that it's the choice they made.

RIP lady

Did you read up on all of the medical facts on this case? The only doctors who disagreed with the findings was one doctor paid by the Schindlers or the Frists of the world who never examined her and were grandstanding for political gain. And feel free to read more about the denial of food and water as a means of passing (as even many conscious people will do) and what all medical reports said her brain had become.

Oh and before you play that compassion card, realize that most of us think she should have been allowed to die BECAUSE we feel compassion for the person who died fifteen years ago.

Oh and one more thing -- NONE of this is any of our business. It's between her and her husband.

 

[Nameless]

I am truly sympathetic when it comes to this whole saga, but seriously this by far is the most overblown story in years....And by years I mean ever.

 

[Heezzi]

Answer A:
She told her friends that after watching a movie, this all took place before her condition, dumbass.

Answer B:
I don't know... how long have you been doing it?

Hey this is what you said:

She was diagnosed PVS... she told her friend she wouldn't want to live like this... the husband the legal guardian also knew this and want to respect her wishes.


You should write proper sentences then.

 

[border]

Holy shit I thought you had given up on this thread. You really should.

 

[Bildocube]

This is sad regardless of the outcome, if she lived it would've been sad seeing as she is pretty much braindead and forced to suffer more, never being able to do jack shit for the rest of her life and living a selfless altruistic life for her parents. And since she passed away it's still sad for various reasons. Regardless, this sucks.

But I do think one good thing out of this. This is probably awful to say but...

IN YOUR FACE DOUCHEBAG RANDALL TERRY!!!! :lol

Aside from this douchebag, I feel sad for everyone involved

 

[McLesterolBeast]

His name is heezzi. He is a motard.
With shitlocks instead of hair, and even less going on upstairs.

 

[Malakhov]

This whole fucking fiasco would of never happened if human euthanasia was legalized.

Horrible.

That's where the debate lies, not in wether Terri will die or live because we all know death was the only way to have her rest in peace, it's just the way it happened.

Being her husband I think I would of hired someone to kill her by a lethal injection or something.

 

[DaMan121]

Urgh, I cringe every time they post that pic of Terri 'smilling' with her mother there... People dont realise that she 'smiles' at balloons,glasses of water,the ceiling,the dark... Her movements were completely involuntary.

 

[Heezzi]

Holy shit I thought you had given up on this thread. You really should.

nah, I need to destroy any credibility I have left. Time to go into the negatives.

 

[tt_deeb]

His name is heezzi. He is a motard.
With shitlocks instead of hair, and even less going on upstairs.

:lol

 

[Vormund]

:lol

 

[teiresias]

If people still didn't think these religious nutsoids were crazy:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/31/Schiavo.scene.ap/index.html

A few feet away, a small group burst into hymns, singing the traditional song, "How Great Thou Art," as Richard Jacobson, of Corning, New York, accompanied them on a tarnished trumpet.

Jacobson, who has been playing religious and patriotic music outside the hospice for the past three days, said he didn't really believe that Terri was dead.

"I'm not believing the report of man," the bearded man said. "God will raise her from the dead, and all the world will see it."

OMG, TERRI SCHIAVO IS JESUS!!!!! :lol :lol If she does rise from the dead I hope she eats this Jacobson person's brain first.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

it'd be awesome if the Pope, Terri Schiavo, and Mitch Hedberg faked their deaths and will form a Rock and Roll super group.

 

[Duck of Death]

it'd be awesome if the Pope, Terri Schiavo, and Mitch Hedberg faked their deaths and will form a Rock and Roll super group.

 

[karasu]

Did you read up on all of the medical facts on this case? The only doctors who disagreed with the findings was one doctor paid by the Schindlers or the Frists of the world who never examined her and were grandstanding for political gain. And feel free to read more about the denial of food and water as a means of passing (as even many conscious people will do) and what all medical reports said her brain had become.

Oh and before you play that compassion card, realize that most of us think she should have been allowed to die BECAUSE we feel compassion for the person who died fifteen years ago.

Oh and one more thing -- NONE of this is any of our business. It's between her and her husband.

dude if she wanted to die I too believe that it's her right, but if even a shred of what the family says about her husband is true I can't blame them at all for going to the courts. And really, she didn't die 15 years ago, PVS is not death. So to me, the harsh remarks 'serves her right' and such are unnecessary.

 

[Saurus]

What part of "She did not want to be kept alive this way" do you not understand? All the rest of the argument is worthless, hopeless, and endless.

Hearsay. I heard Phantom Dust was cancelled...must be true. :lol