Can add Finland to that list. Claiming terrorism, and especially at this level of frequency, is something we just have to live with is just pure nonsense.
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Terrorist attack in London [up: 6 people killed, ~50 injured, 3 attackers dead]
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Can add Finland to that list. Claiming terrorism, and especially at this level of frequency, is something we just have to live with is just pure nonsense.
Miles Quaritch
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Would anyone here honestly feel more safer in Brazil?
Despite what you might be feeling right now, the UK is still a very safe place to live. We've suffered relatively few terrorist attacks in the last 15+ years and less than 200 people have been killed in those attacks, let's keep things in perspective.
The hysterics are out of control.
Despite what you might be feeling right now, the UK is still a very safe place to live. We've suffered relatively few terrorist attacks in the last 15+ years and less than 200 people have been killed in those attacks, let's keep things in perspective.
The hysterics are out of control.
Seems these guys place their religious cause above their own family and they are not afraid to die for it. There's something very disturbing about that. The fact that they do not seem to value their own life, freedom or family makes negotiation impossible. What do you say to such a person to discourage them from carrying out their terrorist act?
velociraptor
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I saw that interview. How could someone so involved with helping out with homeless shelters be involved in an attack like this? Much like that neighbour, even I felt a state of disbelief.
Truthfully I'm hoping the people behind this ARE NOT regular people, but those that fit the stereotypical profile of being a failure at life.
If they fired 50 shots i wouldn't be surprised if it was a ricochet
These countries have few Muslims, who are directly targeted for radicalization by Islamic terror groups, what do you suggest to do? Get rid of Muslims?
If you have a magic recipe against radical groups lots of people would like to know it.
Also those countries had their terrorists as well: North Korea for SKorea, the crazy cultists for Japan, Nazis for Poland, Pinochet for Chile... There will always be diseased minds or people that don't fit in, and sometimes there are evil causes popping up to draw those people in. I believe our governments are doing their utmost to fight this evil, but there's no magic formula.
Theonik
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/04/three-women-shot-dead-outside-restaurant-finland
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The trouble is that none of these attackers are active members of any specific organisations but simply act on ideology or more likely being insane.
It's a question of your definition.
geordiemp
Member
The news also said the ground floor flat, first one raided, saw arrest of 4 women all wearing full Burkas, so it appears was a strong faith house hold....
DasPenguin
Member
I looked up like two countries just to show an example what a turd that list was. And only took one example from Japan, although the list had more of them. But it falls in line with the rest of your posts.
Then don't say "these countries don't have terrorist attacks". That would be wrong. You could probably add my country to the list, but we have also experienced school shootings, for example, and other mass shootings outside of restaurants. I can think of 4-5 mass killings in ten years in Finland. Nobody screamed Allah so again, those don't count I guess. Chile, Brazil... other poster already commented about those.
You make a statement that is an absolute like "who is bombing whom?", then somebody answers to you and you have no comeback and then you go on to the next one, completely of ignoring the post.
I don't think you know how this "discussion" thing works.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Yes I still think the UK is one of the safest countries in the world. Take the US for comparison - hundreds are killed every single week from firearms. Doesn't seem like a very safe place to live. Reportedly 26,000 incidents relating to gun crime in 2017 alone.
habithipster
Member
But this is such a great opportunity to create even more division!
TTOOLL
Member
Sorry, I thought you were smart enough to understand my rhetoric question given the context. I guess I was wrong. Let me be clear. Islamic terrorists, extremist muslins, are bombing and running over people. Satisfied?
Keep thinking terrorism is the norm in the world. I don't care. It just isn't.
That was never called a terrorist attack by anyone here in Finland, nor he was he ever charged with anything related to terrorism.
So, you're forgetting the 2002 Myyrmanni Bombing, or the school shootings we had 07 and 08? Sure, we finns don't have 'muslim'-based terrorism, but domestic we do have. Thankfully really rarely.
BossDarkseid
Member
I think maybe that is their point?
Yeah, that one is legit and I honestly completely forgot about it. That Imatra case has nothing to do with terrorism though.
Their point was that everytime someone with mental health issues, or a drunk person kills someone we should call it terrorism?
I totally agree that western Europe should learn from Russia and it's anti-terror efforts.
DasPenguin
Member
And who was bombing whom again? What could possibly be the origin for such hatred and what made it possible for someone like ISIS to gain power?
Terrorism isn't the norm right now either, if we are talking about the yearly death toll. On the rise, yes. Now American mass shootings on the other hand...
cromofo
Member
Regarding Croatia, Bosnian wahhabism is a thing, and they're just an hour or two drive from our 2nd largest city.
This "utopia" you speak of might change soon.
Damnit, we've had enough of tragedy already during the 90s. An attack here would mean a TOTAL collapse of our country, seeing as we're so dependent on tourism.
DasPenguin
Member
Yeah, lets also adopt the classy way of killing journalists and anyone who disagrees with Putin. Oh I'm sorry. Those are all random accidents. Could've happened to anyone.
Dictatorship takes care of terrorism, if you don't count the people the dictator causes harm to.
cyberheater
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So people are acting hysterically to people being murdered on our streets by terrorrists are they?
How many people should die before the levels of hysteria are justified in your opinion?
Theonik
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People would if they were Muslims. ¯\_(ツ
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Baki
Member
We still have right wing terrorism in the UK. Did you forget about the murder of the MP and the white kid that tried to put a bomb on the tube.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Again, less than 200 people have been killed by terrorists in the UK since 2001.
Every life lost to terrorism is sad, but the way some people are acting in this thread, you'd think we're under daily attack and you will be killed by a terrorist dare you leave your home.
It's a hysterical reaction, let's try to keep things in perspective.
People would if the person had a political agenda.People would if they were Muslims. ¯_(ツ
The statistical chances of someone dying to a terrorist attack in the western world are ridiculously small. The reason why people get up in arms is a combination of how rare they are and how violent they normally are. There is no level of hysteria that is appropriate for them. Hell, you're more likely to day any given day to getting hit by a car than a terrorist attack but you aren't all hysterical that cars are allowed to be driven.
NoblesseOblige
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That's off. I swear a whole lot of people keep saying it's Islam and not political agenda that causes terrorism.
Considering people in this thread are arguing for the dismantling of many of our civil liberties and a huge change in the way we live our lives, yes, a certain amount of hysteria over 200 deaths in 12 years is unjustified.
For scale, approximately a thousand people die every year from car accidents and hundreds of thousands have died in the last decade from air pollution. Next to nothing is done and people that suggest reasonable changes that would improve our lives are told to keep their mouths shut and get out of the way.
Apologies for not subjecting myself to this dictatorship of grief but I have had enough of the sanctimony and calls to strip ourselves of freedoms we are unlikely to ever get back.
Those two don't negate each other.
Theonik
Member
So where is the political agenda here? What are the terrorists demanding? Any aims? Are they members of an organisation? What is it? Did they make a statement?
Silent Chief
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I'm shocked that nobody has updated the death count in the title.
cyberheater
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I don't agree with this line of thinking. You are saying people are overeacting and are fearing unnecessarily yet the security services have put our threat level at severe which means "means an attack is highly likely" and it was at CRITICAL which means "an attack is expected imminently".
Perhaps they are acting hysterically too?
holygeesus
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It is a cycle though. My point was there are pretty much no countries that have never had terrorist incidents of varying frequency at different times throughout their history. Currently, we have had what? 3 attacks in the past few weeks, which skews the average, but it is still a comparatively terrorist incident free country.
The chances of you being personally involved in a terrorist attack are so minuscule as to be beyond human comprehension. Fear of this is hysterical by any reasonable definition. If you feel that you or your loved ones are at personal risk then you're probably the sort of person that buys lottery tickets.
I guess we don't know yet? But are you seriously proposing that those three men aren't connected to a terrorist organisation? That they just happened to band together and just happened to attack the exact same way?
cromofo
Member
I feel bad for saying this but I'm becoming kind of indifferent now. I still feel bad but not as much since it's been happening time and time again and it will continue to happen. I guess it lost that shock factor and it translated into "not again".
Such a complex issue won't be solved for a very long time. You can't kill or arrest an ideology.
I see they've been doing a good job stopping some plans/attacks in the past months. Let's hope they continue to do so.
In the meanwhile, stop being buddy buddy with the scum from Saudi Arabia. Start shutting down imams and mosques promoting extremist views and hate speech.
Start working closer with the muslim community in order to catch these bastards before they do something. I expect the muslim community to engage in the same manner and cooperate.
Such a complex issue won't be solved for a very long time. You can't kill or arrest an ideology.
I see they've been doing a good job stopping some plans/attacks in the past months. Let's hope they continue to do so.
In the meanwhile, stop being buddy buddy with the scum from Saudi Arabia. Start shutting down imams and mosques promoting extremist views and hate speech.
Start working closer with the muslim community in order to catch these bastards before they do something. I expect the muslim community to engage in the same manner and cooperate.
The threat level has been severe since the system was implemented in 2005.
Barring a brief time period between 1998 and 2001 there has always been a substantial risk of a terrorist attack in the Uk in the last 50 years. Irish terrorism is still tracked by security services to this day.
Theonik
Member
That has been the case for most of those incidents. Independent cells inspired by previous attacks. That also makes it a lot harder to combat.
I'm not saying this isn't a terrorist attack btw. There is a fair deal of hypocrisy of what kind of madman gets labelled as a terrorist and does not based largely on the politics of the day.
chromatic9
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From the BBC
Elizabeth O'Neill, mother of Daniel O'Neill, who was stabbed in last night's attack, has been speaking to the BBC.
She said her son, 23, who is recovering in hospital, has a seven inch scar from the knife attack.
"He had just stepped outside the bar for a second and a man ran up to him and said 'this is for my family, this is for Islam' and put a knife in him," Ms O'Neill said.
Elizabeth O'Neill, mother of Daniel O'Neill, who was stabbed in last night's attack, has been speaking to the BBC.
She said her son, 23, who is recovering in hospital, has a seven inch scar from the knife attack.
"He had just stepped outside the bar for a second and a man ran up to him and said 'this is for my family, this is for Islam' and put a knife in him," Ms O'Neill said.
They have been and they do. Most leads in these kind of cases come directly from the Muslim community. Which is why notion of the Muslim community "not doing enough" is sickening to me and to ‪ostracise them will do nothing but harm in stopping these things before they happen.
habithipster
Member
They're not shouting for a muslim ban though.
If they were inspired by other terrorists than the probably share the same political goals.
Camp Freddie
Member
If there was a threat level for getting killed by a drunk driver, it would always be critical, and political parties would be making daily statements about respect for the dead, city centres would be on permanent lockdown and no one would ever leave the house around pub closing time out of fear. Terrorism needs to be fought, but the reactions to it are usually disproportionate, giving the terrorists exactly the response they want.
cromofo
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Agreed
cyberheater
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It doesn't matter about averages or how safe we once were. Right now we are currently sustaining a barrage of terrorist attacks. There was a recent report that five planned terror attacks have been prevented since the Westminster attack on 22 March a sharp and disturbing increase on the average in recent years of one foiled plot every three months.
Things are getting worse not better. I expect more terrorist attacks going forward.