speculawyer
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Tesla Twitter said:
They are not real.
But man . . . if Tesla were to put out pictures like that and put the car on sale, I'd put down a deposit so fast it would make MY head spin.
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Tesla announces new, smaller electric vehicle named Model 3
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They are not real.
But man . . . if Tesla were to put out pictures like that and put the car on sale, I'd put down a deposit so fast it would make MY head spin.
It's a render. The car will be revealed in a year or so.
"FYI, the Model 3 images used by @AutoExpress were mock-ups based on their own speculation."
https://twitter.com/TeslaMotors/status/489200528908226561
It's just a mini-S, man. They can do better!
speculawyer
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I think what should be done with this is to use a heater to keep the battery warm whenever the car is plugged in. Electricity is cheap and keeping the battery warm is worth it.Just wish battery life wasn't an issue in colder climates
But when the car sits around unplugged . . . there is not much you can do. But if you get an EV, you should have a 'home base' where it is plugged in overnight. (otherwise, you should not be buying an EV.)
speculawyer
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A mini-S would be perfect for me.
OK . . . I'd love the option of a convertible too. Include a roll bar like the VW Cabrios.
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I plug in my car's engine block heater every night the temp drops below 20F. If I had a garage I think it might work just parking it outdoors at work every day, but with the car being outside all the time the technology just isn't there yet.
But my car still has another 5-10 years in it easy. If I move or get a better paying job I might be able to afford a place with a garage and an electric car
It would. Although that infographic a bit outdated. Quebec has since shut down its nuclear reactor and is now powered entirely by hydro. And Ontario has entirely eliminated coal from its power supply (although the info-graphic lumps it in together with gas anyway).
There's actually a cool site for Ontario that shows how the power being used right now is being generated. http://media.cns-snc.ca/ontarioelectricity/ontarioelectricity.html
speculawyer
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I plug in my car's engine block heater every night the temp drops below 20F. If I had a garage I think it might work just parking it outdoors at work every day, but with the car being outside all the time the technology just isn't there yet.
But my car still has another 5-10 years in it easy. If I move or get a better paying job I might be able to afford a place with a garage and an electric car
Well . . . it is not surprising that the Chevy Volt is the #1 plug-in in Canada. Batteries definitely don't do well in really cold temps. You can heat them if you are plugged in. But not much you can do if the car is not plugged in and just sitting in cold weather. That is a tough situation.
DirtyManos
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Will definitely aim to buy this. I can only hope I'll be able to at that point
speculawyer
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Canada, like Norway, is blessed with oil and lots of hydropower. I hope you use the two as wisely as Norway does. They sell the oil to foreigners and have a high local gas tax while providing a huge incentive for EVs.
As the drug dealers say: "Don't get high on your own supply."
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Saw a beautiful red Tesla S tonight. Maybe the next gen version, further technologically revised will be what I end up with down the road.
They say crossover, more like a hot hatchback?
They say crossover, more like a hot hatchback?
This is why I haven't gone with an EV yet. Living in New England is bothersome with the winter season. We either have tons of snow and frigid temps, or we have relatively mild winters. I have no space for a garage at the moment, either.
pinsomniac
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If I'm not mistaken, it's possible that this will hit <$30K after tax credits (depending on your state).
I'll take one countdown timer as well.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Would this be the cheapest model offered by Tesla on release?
What are the prices on existing models like?
What are the prices on existing models like?
speculawyer
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Yes, it would be by far the cheapest.
The current cheapest is around $69K before tax credit. That is a 60 kwh Model S.
speculawyer
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Pfft. Mild NE winters could easily be handled if it has a 200 mile EPA range. But you absolutely need a home base to plug in over night.
Small, cheap cars compete mostly on price and have slim margins. Empty space in the cabin doesn't cost anything
Build a computer and you'll realize how hard it is to make a very cheap one not because of the CPU and GPU, but because of all the basics like RAM and PSU. Same with small cars.
I have an outdoor patio near my driveway now that as an outside outlet - so I could easily run the cord. A garage would just give that extra sense of security.
Perfect Cha0s
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If it looks anything like that, Elon has my axe.Pics:
speculawyer
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Seriously. I'd be fine if it were a two door.
speculawyer
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Well 120V is ok but you really want a 240V charger if at all possible. It is not very expensive.
Kenshin001
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That looks nice. Saw a Tesla at Tokyo Motor Show and it looked gigantic so I was hoping they'd release a smaller model. Would love to see them take the Japanese manufacturers head on.
Some of us like engine noise.
I still think Fuel Cell cars will overtake EVs. EV has good headstart but in a decade I can see Japanese car makers dominating the markets with Fuel Cell cars.
Feeling about the same right now. Exciting stuff.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Hot damn I want.
Well, as far as I am aware it'll still be a while until I can cross Canada using one and I currently travel a lot. Mind you I'll probably be stuck on Vancouver Island for grad school, so we'll see, of course by that point might as well wait for the Model 3.
Anyone interested in the 84 mpg elio for $7000?
http://www.gizmag.com/elio-car-moves-forward-ces/30374/
http://www.gizmag.com/elio-car-moves-forward-ces/30374/
The Maverick
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ЯAW;121236109 said:
Fuel cell? You mean the biggest crock of shit cell car?
They're unworkable due to the requirement of setting up entirely new fueling infrastructure. EVs are now, they work fine and you can recharge from home. And Tesla are proving that you can recharge them on the go as well.
Funky Papa
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Fuel Cell is DOA. It only exists because of lobbying by the oil industry looking to extend their influence.
Like fuck all it's going to happen. Specially once the newer batteries come.
Like fuck all it's going to happen. Specially once the newer batteries come.
perfectchaos007
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My car cost me $22K and I get 30mpg. So I crunched the numbers and assuming gas costs $3.30/gal ( thats the avg. in Texas right now ), that means it costs me 11 cents per mile. I would need to drive 428,000 miles before making up the $47K difference in sticker cost between my gas car and the Tesla. How large is that green tax credit refund?
It's alright buddy. We can both sub to AI driven car fleet services in the future. Won't have to worry about overhead costs of vehicle maintenance.
Honda and Toyota seems to think otherwise, they are really pushing for Fuel Cell cars. Not saying they are better option but if Japanese manufacturers are going choose FC over EV then there is going to be big fight where EVs might not turn as winners.
Tesla is awesome company but we need other big manufacturers take electric cars seriously as Tesla is taking them.
Funky Papa
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ЯAW;121243234 said:
Just like Daimler, Japanese manufacturers are not pushing for Fuell Cell as much as keeping the tech there just in case they find some breakthrough in efficiency and because of grants. Fuel Cell development would implode without subsidies. It's DOA. There's zero commercial interest in it.
So, when Toyota announces they are moving away from pure electric vehicles and go after hybirds right now and in near future Fuel-Cells, they are just blowing smoke?
These types of announcements do have effect on shareholders so I doubt it's all smoke and mirrors so they can chase subsidies. Especially when Toyota even stopped their r&d with Tesla just this year.
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...away-from-evs-in-favor-of-hydrogen-fuel-cells
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/04/autos-electric-hydrogen-idUSL1N0B11YO20130204
SteveMeister
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I will be putting down my deposit THE VERY DAY they start collecting them .
pinsomniac
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Kind of. Both the Model S & Model III (then BlueStar) were acknowledged at the launch of the Roadster. IIRC, Tesla aimed to cut the price by 40-50% in each generation. That proved to be unrealistic, but they came close: ~$110K Roadster, ~$70K Model S, ~$35-45K Model III.
Funky Papa
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ЯAW;121244668 said:
They just don't have the tech to compete with Tesla. Nobody has. Their electrics cars have bombed because they were just plain uncompetitive, so they are trying not to put all their eggs in the same basket while they develop better electric cars and keep getting grants.
Commercial interest in fuel cell is zero, at least when it comes to cars. There are other kinds of applications in which it could be useful, but FCVs will remain a rarity.
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