RedBaron17
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Bummer. Does that mean I'm fucked if i live in NYC? Not everyone in New York has a garage =(
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Tesla announces new, smaller electric vehicle named Model 3
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Bummer. Does that mean I'm fucked if i live in NYC? Not everyone in New York has a garage =(
Your home base could be a public charging station, for all intents and purposes, not necessarily your actual home.
I really love the Tesla cars. There's a Tesla store in a mall nearby and I make it a point to stop in every time I am there just to look.
My wife's father works for Nissan so we currently are into their employee lease program. She wants to try out the Leaf eventually which I may agree to since we usually only have a car for 7-10 months before ordering another. The short range on these really worries me though. I hope Nissan can look into utilizing the Tesla patents and up their range to around 200 miles on a charge. The Leaf is currently promising 84 miles per charge
My wife's father works for Nissan so we currently are into their employee lease program. She wants to try out the Leaf eventually which I may agree to since we usually only have a car for 7-10 months before ordering another. The short range on these really worries me though. I hope Nissan can look into utilizing the Tesla patents and up their range to around 200 miles on a charge. The Leaf is currently promising 84 miles per charge
RedBaron17
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Ah, I see now. Thanks. I did a quick google search and turns out there's quite a few around the city.
The short range on these really worries me though. I hope Nissan can look into utilizing the Tesla patents and up their range to around 200 miles on a charge. The Leaf is currently promising 84 miles per charge
How many miles do you drive daily on average?
Model 3 looks better than I expected; not a fan of that rear but not a dealbreaker.
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Don't worry, that's not an official picture. It's a speculative render. Tesla hasn't unveiled the Model 3 yet.
Gareth Bale
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edit: nevermind I misread
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That guy you quoted was making a joke. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement.
The Model S is also a luxury car, so comparing its costs to a 22k dollar car is comparing apples and oranges.
perfectchaos007
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Any non luxury electric cars available at my 22K price range? If so, I'll definitely consider one for my next car.
edit: factoring in saved cost of fuel over time, I could pay up to $10K more for electric than standard gas because I'll make up the money saved from gas over the life of the vehicle. Any more than that though, probably not.
Another thing to consider is maintenance associated with an ICE, rising gas prices and tax credit. I imagine with those additional factors the long term cost savings could be significant.
By the time I need a car (probably not for nearly a decade) I wonder what the electric vehicle landscape will look like.
Depends on where you live. There is a US Government maximum tax credit of $7,500; it decreases depending on the battery, and the program phases out per manufacturer after 200,000 of the manufacturer's credits have been claimed. Your local state government might have additional credits and rebates. For example, California has the $7,500 and an additional $2,500.
<-- Electric car owner as of a few weeks ago (Fiat 500e). Love the little thing.
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Somewhat jelly. How does it drive? I really love the 500, but I'm not sure about the added mass from the batteries.
My commute is 65-70 miles round trip. My wife could get by using it in town. The leaf would be great for short errands, but you'd have to have another car for any type of road trip. Once the range gets to 200, road trips become a possibility.
Drives great, but I think it could use some sway bars and I've spun the tires a couple of times. I previously was driving a Prelude, so the weight of the 500e is pretty equivalent to what I'm used to. My commute per week is short enough that I only need to plug it in to charge when I park it for the weekend.
No more gas, quiet ride, cheap electricity in the Northwest, rental car credits from Fiat if I need to go farther than the 500e's range, etc. This electric car fits what I need perfectly.
speculawyer
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I'm seeing a LOT of those lately. The Fremont Fiat is selling tons of them. It is a nice little car. They seem to be selling pretty well despite the BS whining of the CEO Sergio. LOL.
Our Leaf will be about ready to put to pasture just in time to grab a Model III.
Grats man, me too! We purchased a Leaf in June and absolutely love it. It would be nice to put together a EV gaf thread if there's enough of us out there.
Grats man, me too! We purchased a Leaf in June and absolutely love it. It would be nice to put together a EV gaf thread if there's enough of us out there.
No, just that your comments are usually utter horse shit and aggressive for the sake of pissing people off.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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Here in Philly if you are a homeowner and have a plugin car you register with the city, install the power station at the curb, and you get a dedicated parking space in front of your house. I am going to buy one of these bitches. I already have off street parking behind my house, but I am going to just rent that out and park in front of my house.
Wheeljack539
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The Model X begins production later this year IIRC.
I don't think I'll ever be converted to electric cars. At least not those you have to plug in; seems a bit futile in the end really.
Hybrids are interesting, but only as an example of what is possible and not as a mass-market solution.
Once we have hydrogen readily available at a pump, we aren't going anywhere (pun not intended). Until then, petrol will do nicely.
Hybrids are interesting, but only as an example of what is possible and not as a mass-market solution.
Once we have hydrogen readily available at a pump, we aren't going anywhere (pun not intended). Until then, petrol will do nicely.
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If this is <35k and has a 200 mile range it is going to sell gangbusters. I wonder if they will be able to meet demand at that price.
How the fuck did Tesla come out and make such awesome cars so quickly? And why haven't the big manufactures put out something equivalent to this yet?
Once my car dies I would love to get a Tesla to replace it.
How the fuck did Tesla come out and make such awesome cars so quickly? And why haven't the big manufactures put out something equivalent to this yet?
Once my car dies I would love to get a Tesla to replace it.
They just started selling here in Oregon at the end of last month. I even had to sign a statement that I was from this state and could only register it with the state's DMV, which sounds ridiculous as they've been spotted in other states outside the allowed CA and OR.
I've been wondering why there hasn't been one!
My spouse has been interested in the Tesla for some time, but I don't think he can justify the purchase cost of it. He's hyped for the Tesla 3 though, although he's thinking by the time the Tesla 3 is released, the Roaster may have a even longer range.
Just curious why you think charging cars are futile?
Ahhh okay that's good news, especially paired up with the announcement of the Model III
speculawyer
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Some Comments:
-If you live in NYC, you don't really need a car.
-If you have a Tesla Model S, you probably don't want to leave it parked on the street anyway.
-And if you can afford a Tesla Model S, you can afford a parking spot.
But, yeah, for now, pure EVs are not really practical unless you have a home base where you can charge up. But PHEVs like the Volt would work just fine.
speculawyer
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I created the "$5/gallon thread of electric cars" a few years back. You could probably have some laughs if you dig it up and look at it. I made it just when the Leaf & Volt were being introduced and it includes a lot of cars/companies that are now bankrupt (Aptera, Fisker, Coda, etc.)
Things have REALLY changed. Pretty much all the major manufacturers now have plug-ins on the market or coming soon. And we have our first major hit with the Tesla Model S.
It's a bit optimistic to think this will be 35k or less IMO. If they are competing with the 3 series, they are likely going to be competing with the higher range of the 3 series (328i or 335i) given the performance numbers and lack of options in a typical Tesla. My guess is it will be in the 40k-45k starting range with performance similar to a M3 (which is in the 60k range).
People who look at a Tesla as a pure $$$ spent on gas over time question are completely missing the point.
The fact that you save money on gas is basically the least awesome part of the Tesla. I don't have one, but my coworker does, and good lord is everything about this comic 100% accurate:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla_model_s
It's like when the first iPhone came out and some couldn't understand just how far ahead of the competition it really was because they focused exclusively on battery life or something.
The fact that you save money on gas is basically the least awesome part of the Tesla. I don't have one, but my coworker does, and good lord is everything about this comic 100% accurate:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla_model_s
It's like when the first iPhone came out and some couldn't understand just how far ahead of the competition it really was because they focused exclusively on battery life or something.
speculawyer
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Quickly? They've been around for more than 10 years now. Most of that time toiling in obscurity.
Other manufacturers just did not believe there would be a market for a high-end expensive EV. They were wrong. Tesla really did have the genius business plan . . . start from the top of the market and work your way down. They started with the $100+K Roadster. Now down to an $80K luxury sedan. Model X is sort of a modified Model S that makes it into a CUV. But starting at the top, they can hide the high cost of the batteries in the high price of luxury car.
Please explain.
What?
The debate between EVs and FCVs (fuel cell vehicles) has been going on for years. I'm firmly on the pro-EV side. I just don't see FCVs catching on since fuel cell stacks are expensive, hydrogen is not cheap, there is no fueling infrastructure, hydrogen is difficult to store and transport, the well-to-wheels efficiency is not good, dealing with high pressures is dangerous, etc. etc. Perhaps there will be a technology breakthrough to make them catch on but I don't see it happening. I think Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai are really going down the wrong path on this.
speculawyer
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Yeah, I can't recommend that The Oatmeal comic enough. It is hilarious. And it helped obtain a $1 Million donation and Supercharger for the Tesla Museum.
I'M IN OUTER SPACE MOTHER-FUCKER!
speculawyer
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1) Yes, you are crazy. Why would you want to lose 2 hours of your life every day sitting in car?
2) You will need a really fuel efficient car or else you'll also be wasting a lot of money on gasoline in addition to your time.
3) Most of the current EVs are only ~80 mile range EVs so they could not handle that commute unless you are super diligent about always being sure to charge, always charging up at work, etc.
4) A PHEV like the Volt would work. You could get 1/2 your miles on electric if you charge up at both ends.
5) A 200+ mile range EV like Model S would work.
Mattlikewhoa
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Going by the price difference in Canada/US, that's like $50K in Canada huh....
Septimus Prime
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Assuming my Accord can last til then (and I don't have kids yet, which would necessitate getting some huge monstrosity), I'm so ready to get this.
Snkfanatic
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Bringing your full on jerk as usual, I see.
Making a joke is being a jerk now?
AstroNut325
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I've never seen that Oatmeal comic! Thank you! That was superbly fantastic!
Edit:
I'm probably going to be entering the car market in 2017 or 2018. This Model 3 will likely be my next car.
speculawyer
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Well the best thing to do is repurpose them for grid storage. Old batteries continue to work, they just have reduced storage capacity . . . and thus your range shrinks. But in fixed applications, you don't really need energy density so use them for grid storage, off-grid solar PV homes, etc.
But if they are really toast, the goal is to recycle them. There currently isn't much infrastructure for this yet but they'll build it once the batteries start becoming old.
And for most automotive Li-Ion batteries, they are relatively non-toxic so you could just put them in a land fill. But the Tesla batteries are a bit toxic so they shouldn't end up there. But Tesla has committed to taking back their batteries.
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