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[Figboy79]

lol, that's some crazy shit. Also, I just don't see Cooper as Goblin at all.

They need to do two things for any Tom Holland sequels:

1) Bring back JK Simmons. I know he's Commissioner Gordon, but he's still the best damn JJ Jameson we've gotten on the big screen. I also love him on the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

2) Bring back Wilem Dafoe as Norman Osborn. He was just too damn fun. You don't have to address it as being in continuity with the Sam Raimi movies. You're just casting a great actor in a role he absolutely killed in in the Raimi movies.


I'm only partially kidding, but I'm finding it so hard to think of actors I'd want to play JJJ or Stormin' Norman. Bryan Cranston could be a fun JJJ or Norman. Either one, actually.

EDIT: Top of the page, oh lord.

 

[Alo0oy]

Looks like Marvel locked up all the good screenwriters?

Warner, Fox and Sony are basically doing fan fiction screenplays.

Logan and Deadpool are better than anything Marvel has ever done.

 

[LionPride]

Logan and Deadpool are better than anything Marvel has ever done.

......

No

 

[Alo0oy]

The original Thor was actually fairly well received overall when it came out. It's a better movie than Spider-Man 3. And I think Iron Man 3 is great, so, no. But IM3 is simply a divisive movie. Calling it "shit" just isn't true.

And no, Avengers 2 isn't "shit." It was disappointing, It had a number of issues. It wasn't a disaster like Spider-Man 3 or ASM2 that have multiple scenes so bad it becomes funny to watch because of it.

I can't believe there are Spider-Man 3 defenders at this point. I was in denial too when it came out, being such a huge Spider-Man fan,

They were shit as much as SM3 was shit (except IM2 and Thor 2 were actual shit), and I agree Thor 1 was better than SM3, but what did Avengers 2 and IM3 do that was actually better than SM3? Ultron was completely botched in Avengers 2, and IM3 was completely forgetable, I don't remember anything from that movie except for Pepper Potts turning into a superhero at the end, and they undid that part 5 minutes later.

I'll never sit here and say Marvel makes crappy movies, because they made IM1, Ant-Man, Guardians, and the CA trilogy. But they're not as consistent as their fans would like everyone to believe.

SM3 was unfairly dumped on, mainly because it mishandled fan-favorite Venom, which I understand somewhat. But it still handled Villains better than Marvel (which is actually hard to believe, but it's true).

 

[Alo0oy]

......

No

Which Marvel movies were better? Civil War and Ant-Man I'd put up there, but they're still not as good as DP and Logan.

 

[Salty Rice]

Kinda sad this never happened.

It sounded so bad that i needed to see it with my own eyes.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

I'll never understand the love for Ant-Man. I think it's at the bottom of the heap, barely above Thor 2 and Iron Man 2. I watched it again over the weekend since the sequel started filming to see if it maybe grew on me. But nope!

Logan is more ambitious than a lot of Marvel's output. Deadpool deconstructs superhero movies a little, so they both get points for breaking the mold. But Marvel made Winter Soldier. Thats gotta be up there.

 

[LionPride]

Which Marvel movies were better? Civil War and Ant-Man I'd put up there, but they're still not as good as DP and Logan.

Well I don't like Logan despite acknowledging it as a well made movie so

CW
Guardians 1/2
WS
Cap 1
IM3

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Then again, those Marvel writers created a massive plot hole with their "8 years later" and then "Eight years, not a word from the feds..." that Sony is aware of but would be too costly to fix.

You're right that's completely the same thing as Chris Cooper's frozen head.

 

[Garlador]

I'll never understand the love for Ant-Man. I think it's at the bottom of the heap, barely above Thor 2 and Iron Man 2. I watched it again over the weekend since the sequel started filming to see if it maybe grew on me. But nope!

Logan is more ambitious than a lot of Marvel's output. Deadpool deconstructs superhero movies a little, so they both get points for breaking the mold. But Marvel made Winter Soldier. Thats gotta be up there.

Civil War is top-tier for me. I'd put Guardians over Deadpool, and I love Deadpool.

And Logan is good but... I just don't love it as much as some do. I enjoy it in isolation but not as part of the X-men universe, if that makes sense (and the film supports that view in a way).

But I think all three Captain America movies are rock-solid, Iron Man 1 is fantastic, both Guardians movies are great, Ant-Man is far better than it has any right to be, etc.

 

[McBradders]

The Amazing movies make me so fucking mad... had this been made I don't know if my heart would could have taken it.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Ultron was completely botched in Avengers 2, and IM3 was completely forgetable, I don't remember anything from that movie except for Pepper Potts turning into a superhero at the end, and they undid that part 5 minutes later..

Dunno what to tell you. IM3 is one of the most memorable movies in the MCU. I mean, people argue over it all the time. Some people say it's terrible, some say it's the worst.

And no matter your opinion, how do you not remember the attack on his house, the Trevor reveal, etc.

 

[broncobuster]

ASM3 probably would've been nuts, but I was interested in Sinister Six for Drew Goddard writing and directing the thing.

I honestly wouldn't be against reviving it, either in the MCU or Venom/Silver&Black...verse thing.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

The Amazing movies make me so fucking mad... had this been made I don't know if my heart would could have taken it.

The Amazing movies died so Homecoming trilogy could live. Perfectly reasonable sacrifice. Had they made a good or even reasonable Middle of the road Spidey series we wouldn't have Spidey in Infinity War.

 

[SpideySenses]

The Amazing movies died so Homecoming trilogy could live. Perfectly reasonable sacrifice. Had they made a good or even reasonable Middle of the road Spidey series we wouldn't have Spidey in Infinity War.

If ASM1 is below middle of the road at 66% metacritic and Homecoming sits at 73%, does that mean that Homecoming is only scraping to be middle of the road itself?

 

[Uzumaki Goku]

I think Marvel got involved because bad Spider-Man movies could've seriously hurt the brand.

 

[ZeoVGM]

If ASM1 is below middle of the road at 66% metacritic and Homecoming sits at 73%, does that mean that Homecoming is only scraping to be middle of the road itself?

If you're using Metacritic.

Homecoming is 92% on RottenTomatoes while ASM1 is 72%.

 

[Carl]

Doesn't sound like it could have been much worse than Iron Spiderman tbh

 

[Cuburt]

I think maybe we were thinking too far ahead when we started building in those things. But it was a fun exercise.

They knew but they did it anyways.

Sony Pictures in a nutshell, basically.

 

[Alo0oy]

I'll never understand the love for Ant-Man. I think it's at the bottom of the heap, barely above Thor 2 and Iron Man 2. I watched it again over the weekend since the sequel started filming to see if it maybe grew on me. But nope!

Logan is more ambitious than a lot of Marvel's output. Deadpool deconstructs superhero movies a little, so they both get points for breaking the mold. But Marvel made Winter Soldier. Thats gotta be up there.

Ant-Man was great, it had a great mix of humor, origin story, and characters. I also give it a lot of credit for making me give a fuck about Ant-Man, one of the most boring characters in the comics.

Well I don't like Logan despite acknowledging it as a well made movie so

CW
Guardians 1/2
WS
Cap 1
IM3

The first three can be argued to be better than Logan, I don't agree, but I can see it. Not Cap 1 and IM3.

Not Deadpool though, I put Deadpool up there with SM2, X2, and TDK.

Dunno what to tell you. IM3 is one of the most memorable movies in the MCU. I mean, people argue over it all the time. Some people say it's terrible, some say it's the worst.

And no matter your opinion, how do you not remember the attack on his house, the Trevor reveal, etc.

I marathoned the MCU earlier this year (having watched each movie before only once) and I already forgot everything about IM3 , I still remember IM1 beat for beat though, which tells you how strong that movie was despite the third act.

It had the typical lackluster villain from Marvel, but it didn't have an interesting arc like the other good MCU movies.

 

[Figboy79]

Why can't we just be happy that Fox and Marvel have both created some pretty damn awesome superhero movies? Like, why does every fucking thing have to be an either or versus?

I loved Logan. I loved Deadpool. I loved Wonder Woman. I loved the Cap Trilogy. I loved Spider-Man Homecoming and the Raimi Spidey movies (3 was a poor SM2 sequel, but it was a fun Raimi movie with badly shoehorned in Venom). The Guardians movies are both really well done and fun movies. Iron Man 3 is such a Shane Black movie, and sadly underappreciated (I loved it, actually). Iron Man one is a classic, period. The Avengers movies are also fun, flawed, but still a treat to see all of these characters together on screen. Doctor Strange was visually great, but I think, while good, is my least favorite of the MCU movies not called Thor 2. Thor 1 was entertaining, but they squandered a lot of fun they could have had with the fish out of water aspect of Thor's time on earth. Ant-Man was also entertaining, although I was bummed we didn't get Wright's version, and could see some of that DNA in the finished product.

I mean, as a kid who grew up in the 80's watching all of these superhero cartoons from Marvel and DC, it's been fucking awesome to see, at least on the Marvel end, these classic heroes realized on the big screen, and realized well. And to have characters I only had a vague knowledge of (like The Guardians of the Galaxy), surprise me and entertain me. I mean, 10 years ago, if you had told me that Captain America would have one of the best movie trilogies in superhero film (and one of my favorite live action superheroes), I'd have laughed in your face, taken your temperature, and dropped you off at the pharmacy for some Robitussin.

I feel like we're swimming in quality superhero movies (Hellboy 2 is one of my favorites of all time), and it will hopefully get better, and DC will take to heart the success of Wonder Woman and work to bring us the same with the upcoming DCEU films.

I guess I just can't be arsed to argue about "who wore it better," when I'm in a comic nerd bliss because of all of this cool shit. The DC TV shows have been fun (if inconsistent), too. Please let Spawn and the new Hellboy movies be good as well!

And I forgot the Marvel Netflix shows too. Outside of Iron Fist, those have been great! I excited for The Punisher show as well.

 

[Alo0oy]

Why can't we just be happy that Fox and Marvel have both created some pretty damn awesome superhero movies? Like, why does every fucking thing have to be an either or versus?

I loved Logan. I loved Deadpool. I loved Wonder Woman. I loved the Cap Trilogy. I loved Spider-Man Homecoming and the Raimi Spidey movies (3 was a poor SM2 sequel, but it was a fun Raimi movie with badly shoehorned in Venom). The Guardians movies are both really well done and fun movies. Iron Man 3 is such a Shane Black movie, and sadly underappreciated (I loved it, actually). Iron Man one is a classic, period. The Avengers movies are also fun, flawed, but still a treat to see all of these characters together on screen. Doctor Strange was visually great, but I think, while good, is my least favorite of the MCU movies not called Thor 2. Thor 1 was entertaining, but they squandered a lot of fun they could have had with the fish out of water aspect of Thor's time on earth. Ant-Man was also entertaining, although I was bummed we didn't get Wright's version, and could see some of that DNA in the finished product.

I mean, as a kid who grew up in the 80's watching all of these superhero cartoons from Marvel and DC, it's been fucking awesome to see, at least on the Marvel end, these classic heroes realized on the big screen, and realized well. And to have characters I only had a vague knowledge of (like The Guardians of the Galaxy), surprise me and entertain me. I mean, 10 years ago, if you had told me that Captain America would have one of the best movie trilogies in superhero film (and one of my favorite live action superheroes), I'd have laughed in your face, taken your temperature, and dropped you off at the pharmacy for some Robitussin.

I feel like we're swimming in quality superhero movies (Hellboy 2 is one of my favorites of all time), and it will hopefully get better, and DC will take to heart the success of Wonder Woman and work to bring us the same with the upcoming DCEU films.

I guess I just can't be arsed to argue about "who wore it better," when I'm in a comic nerd bliss because of all of this cool shit. The DC TV shows have been fun (if inconsistent), too. Please let Spawn and the new Hellboy movies be good as well!

And I forgot the Marvel Netflix shows too. Outside of Iron Fist, those have been great! I excited for The Punisher show as well.

I love them too, which is why I'm against the idea of "everything needs to go back to Marvel", Spidey was a good decision because the ASM series was crap, but X-Men needs to stay with Fox, and I'm fine with Sony's spinoffs if they turn out to be good.

Multiple creative people handling Marvel's heroes is great for everyone, we would have missed out on a lot of movies if Marvel and DC characters were stuck with their parent company at all times.

 

[Jon Carter]

I can't believe there are Spider-Man 3 defenders at this point. I was in denial too when it came out, being such a huge Spider-Man fan

Really? You can't believe a film 63% of critics liked has defenders? The film retains that Raimi touch. It has personality. That's more than you can say about a lot of films.

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

Really? You can't believe a film 63% of critics liked has defenders? The film retains that Raimi touch. It has personality. That's more than you can say about a lot of films.

Yeah, there are some issues with SM3, but it is certainly no TDKR. The Dark Knight Rises is t r a s h .

 

[Jason Frost]

Wasn't there a rumor about Sony wanting Amazing Spider-Man 3 to be set between Amazing Spider-Man 1 and Amazing Spider-Man 2?

So, they wanted to do something like Amazing Spider-Man 1.5.

 

[Baron_Calamity]

No matter what, we all can agree we dodged a bullet there and we got one of the best Spider-man films out of the deal.

 

[Blader]

Wasn't there a rumor about Sony wanting Amazing Spider-Man 3 to be set between Amazing Spider-Man 1 and Amazing Spider-Man 2?

So, they wanted to do something like Amazing Spider-Man 1.5.

Ha, I had completely forgotten about that.

Yeah it's pretty clear they had no idea what to do going forward.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

I love them too, which is why I'm against the idea of "everything needs to go back to Marvel", Spidey was a good decision because the ASM series was crap, but X-Men needs to stay with Fox, and I'm fine with Sony's spinoffs if they turn out to be good.

Multiple creative people handling Marvel's heroes is great for everyone, we would have missed out on a lot of movies if Marvel and DC characters were stuck with their parent company at all times.

I agree. Fox handling the X-Men is a good outcome despite most of the movies being trash.

And DC characters ARE stuck with their parent company, Warner Bros.