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[george_us]

He goes for the gun because he believes that if people CAN make a difference, they should.

Ben tries to get this across to Peter multiple times, and also tries to teach him that getting petty revenge is...petty.

Peter doesn't GET that until Ben dies, that's the whole point. It doesn't matter if it was a sleazy wrestling manager or a store clerk, neither one deserves to be gotten back at. But Peter's young and still gets off on petty vendettas like getting back at Flash. Which has no immediate consequences. And then when he gets the jerk cashier back, THAT time had consequences.

A hero doesn't get revenge, he does what is right.

But it's not like the dude even draws

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the gun in a threatening manner. He basically trips, it falls out of his pocket and Ben needlessly struggles with him.

Like I got the theme of the entire event but it just felt so damn forced compared to the first movie. I guess my problem is that Ben acts instead of being acted upon. In SP1, it hits closer to home because the thug needlessly shoots Ben through no fault of his own thus showing Peter that he really does have a responsibility to use the power he's given. In ASM Ben could of got his ass out the way, bought Peter some more chocolate milk, and ground him or something.

Edit: To further sum it up, in SP1 I felt like "Wow, Peter really fucked up here" rather than "Uncle Ben you idiot, just keep your head down!" in ASM.

 

[firen]

For those complaining about the Lizard design, I believe Webb was more inspired by Ditko design, rather than the "alligator" look.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

What the fuck is this shit about the CGI being crap?!?

It was fucking awesome, I was amazed that it was ImageWorks since their work has never been on such a high level before (on a par with Weta or ILM). In the Raimi trilogy the CGI was laughably poor and well behind the standards of the time, in SM3 it was just awful compared to what other films like RoTK and PotC had at around the same kind of time. TASM has none of those problems, the CGI is contemporary, and it is great, the best I've ever seen from ImageWorks.

 

[black_13]

ugh rather disappointed. This just shows how great Raimi was with his first two movies.

I did like the casting, Lizard, CGI and some minor things here and there but it didn't give me that vibe the first and second Spiderman movies did. And really those were made 10 years ago so they are a bit out dated but this should've been better.

 

[Guevara]

Literally just came back from this. Not bad and captures the feeling of spiderman much better than the Raimi films. I had some issues with the plot

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really, the 17 year old intern has full access to the lab after hours?

but nothing too distracting.

 

[Brera]

Can't believe all the SM1 and 2 fanboys.

No matter how good the you think the films are...Toby Maguire is a fucking awful peter parker and spiderman.

The cheese ending scene worked better than the cheesy scenes in the other movies.

Film met and exceeded my expectations!

Flawless Victory!

Hopefully Venom next!

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Great idea using that design.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

They may have used the Ditko one, but that was no reason to give him a joker smile, it just looked weird. I mean I get that they had to do it to get the facial animation right and a snout would not have worked well with talking, but the joker smile made him look very weird.

 

[big ander]

Can't believe all the SM1 and 2 fanboys.

No matter how good the you think the films are...Toby Maguire is a fucking awful peter parker and spiderman.

And I can't believe all the people now saying that Raimi's films sucked when they were drooling over them less than 5 years ago. Opinions!

 

[msv]

And I can't believe all the people now saying that Raimi's films sucked when they were drooling over them less than 5 years ago. Opinions!

Raimi's SM movies have always sucked. Don't think anyone who hates it now, was drooling on those movies before. Is this your imagination?

 

[Maximus.]

Jeez GAF is just eating this movie alive. It was a good movie. A lot of nit picking in this thread...

 

[Salsa]

Am I the only one who's main complain besides the score was that godawful cringeworthy

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mutated rat

CG abomination? I mean talk about unnecesary cheesiness.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Am I the only one who's main complain besides the score was that godawful cringeworthy

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mutated rat

CG abomination? I mean talk about unnecesary cheesiness.

I was convinced that was their jab at Disney.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Jeez GAF is just eating this movie alive. It was a good movie. A lot of nit picking in this thread...

It was an enjoyable movie, but I feel uncomfortable calling it good. It's not bad...it's far from great, though. All of the nitpicks I've read here have been valid.

Am I the only one who's main complain besides the score was that godawful cringeworthy

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mutated rat

CG abomination? I mean talk about unnecesary cheesiness.

Christ, I forgot about that. I guess I shut it out of my brain--that was fucking godawful.

EVIL RAT
HORROR

 

[big ander]

Raimi's SM movies have always sucked. Don't think anyone who hates it now, was drooling on those movies before. Is this your imagination?

SM2 is a regular majority vote for best superhero movie and the consensus on the original two films before SM3 and TASM's release was positive. That's not my imagination.

Jeez GAF is just eating this movie alive. It was a good movie. A lot of nit picking in this thread...

It's not "GAF" eating it alive. I find it silly when people pretend criticism of something is limited to the nebulous group-mind of one of the websites they visit. The criticism is all over.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Jeez GAF is just eating this movie alive. It was a good movie. A lot of nit picking in this thread...

There are a few sides to this thread, people who have seen the movie, they tend to come out on the liking it side, then there are those who haven't seen it, these tend to be down on it, and finally there are the Raimi fans (not Spider-Man specifically) who just exist to throw shit at TASM because they can't accept that SM3 was the biggest pile of crap and Raimi, regardless of studio interference, is ultimately responsible.

 

[Anton Sugar]

There are a few sides to this thread, people who have seen the movie, they tend to come out on the liking it side, then there are those who haven't seen it, these tend to be down on it, and finally there are the Raimi fans (not Spider-Man specifically) who just exist to throw shit at TASM because they can't accept that SM3 was the biggest pile of crap and Raimi, regardless of studio interference, is ultimately responsible.

Wow, what an objective, unbiased look at critics of the movie!

 

[msv]

SM2 is a regular majority vote for best superhero movie and the consensus on the original two films before SM3 and TASM's release was positive. That's not my imagination.

Majority vote? The spiderman movies are pretty divisive. Apparently plenty of people like them. Plenty of people don't like them either.

None of Raimi's SM movies are a candidate for even a 'good' movie in general, let alone best superhero movie. To me, they're absolutely appaling. The stupid slapstick comedy with PP is absolutely cringeworthy. Mcguire's acting is as well. The dullness of the stories is annoying. I'm baffled that people like these movies so much, but I guess to each his/her own.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

There are a few sides to this thread, people who have seen the movie, they tend to come out on the liking it side, then there are those who haven't seen it, these tend to be down on it, and finally there are the Raimi fans (not Spider-Man specifically) who just exist to throw shit at TASM because they can't accept that SM3 was the biggest pile of crap and Raimi, regardless of studio interference, is ultimately responsible.

I'd say the reaction from those who had seen it is 51% in the movie's favor. It's very mixed.

Also, great sweeping generalization there on those who liked the Raimi movies. I haven't seen anyone in this thread defend Spider-man 3 outside of a "it gets good when you realize it's Raimi's middle finger to studios/Venom fans, and/or it's so bad it's good" way. There are those that recognize SM3 was crap but that SM1 and 2 were pretty good. ASM also retreads a lot of SM1 without bringing much new to the table. It's particulars are in some ways better (Peter himself, Gwen and their chemistry) and some ways worse (The Lizard was handled poorly in this movie not even comparing him to Defoe's Goblin, his design was also pretty bad, the score was mediocre to decent at best.) The movie was also apparently butchered at the last minute, which doesn't help things. ASM also includes some of the same brand of cheese that Raimi's movies had that was bullet point numero uno on why it would have to be better than the original trilogy, but ASM handled it worse I felt. The crane scene was pretty bad and doesn't have 9/11 as an excuse, and the lab rat and dramatic Lizard piano chords also felt out of place tonally.

I mean if it weren't for Andy and Emma (who were fantastic), this thread would be a slaughterhouse. They're basically the only two things holding the movie up.

My feelings: This was a very competent, if too safe, movie that was worse for Sony's butchering yet still doesn't really excel at any one particular thing, outside of fanservice to comic fans (web shooters and Andy's wisecracking, particularly.) If that's all you're looking for in a SM movie that's fine, I was just hoping it would be a great movie that justifies the reason it was rebooted in the first place.

 

[msv]

ASM also includes some of the same brand of cheese that Raimi's movies had that was bullet point numero uno on why it would have to be better than the original trilogy, but ASM handled it worse I felt. The crane scene was pretty bad and doesn't have 9/11 as an excuse, and the lab rat and dramatic Lizard piano chords also felt out of place tonally.

You don't seem to get that I really don't like Raimi's SM movies. Just comparing ASM with any of the SM movies like this shows that. Do you think I'm exaggerating when I call the movies appalling? I don't just dislike a few scenes here and there. And I'm not even talking about just SM3 here, this includes 1 and 2 just as much. I've noticed this alot in threads on SM, people who like Raimi's SM are really downplaying how much people dislike them.

Raimi's SM's and ASM are completely different, it's strange that you feel you can compare them so easily. The comment on it being a 'rehash' doesn't make any sense either, what did you think the other movies were, original? Of course you're gonna have a lot of the same, they have the same source material.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

I believe I said retread, not rehash. Not a bad thing intrinsically, it just didn't differentiate itself enough I felt and I know there are others that feel similarly. The big thing that could have made a different was the whole "secret origin" thing, but that was cut at the last minute.

 

[msv]

I believe I said retread, not rehash. Not a bad thing intrinsically, it just didn't differentiate itself enough I felt and I know there are others that feel similarly. The big thing that could have made a different was the whole "secret origin" thing, but that was cut at the last minute.

The tone of the movie is very different, and a hell of a lot closer to the source material. I get that someone who likes Raimi's take isn't going to see that much of a change, but from the perspective of those of us who do, the differences are much larger than what you describe.

Just the difference in the protagonist's character, going from a bumbling anti-hero type peter parker to a more grounded one, and from an almost mute Spider-man to a wise-cracking one. No slapstick b-movie homage type comedy. The horrible casting on the two main characters, the horrible dramatic scenes, argh there's just too much.

I get how you disagree with some of the differences if you don't feel the first take was bad, but there are plenty of differences that still apply for anyone to recognize is as sufficiently different to stand on its own, even if you like them both.

 

[SilentProtagonist]

Raimi's SM movies have always sucked. Don't think anyone who hates it now, was drooling on those movies before. Is this your imagination?

Welp, the first two are some of the highest reviewed superhero movies of all time, many more positive reviews than ASM and most other superhero movies excluding Nolan's Batman films and The Avengers so...... I don't think I'm imagining things.

 

[ShinobiFist]

Enjoyed the film, very entertaining. Love some shots as well. But the filmed didn't have that "OMG! I need to see this again" The Avengers and Nolan's Batman, gave me that urge, but not this movie. Anyway, Peter Paker was great, but everyone seems off. Like no one clicked. The chemistry with Uncle Ben and his wife was strange to me. They didn't look like they were together at all. And the score was horrible, not as bad as X-Men FC, but bad. Love the suit, The CG and some of the dialogue in this movie, but the film as a whole was okay, not great, but okay. I think the second one will be a lot better. Also, I think seeing the whole orgin story again is what's doing it to me and others as well. There are certain scenes I need to see again on a plasma when this hits Blu.

 

[jaxword]

For those complaining about the Lizard design, I believe Webb was more inspired by Ditko design, rather than the "alligator" look.

I still wanted the lab coat.

That's what changes it from generic green alien lizard to Spiderman iconic.

 

[mocolostrocolos]

Watched it yesterday.

I thought it was okay, but didn't get into the action scenes.

The Staceys arc is well played and has some coherence compared to the comics.

IMO, Spider-man 2 is above this one, but TAS is above 1 and 3.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Watched it yesterday.

I thought it was okay, but didn't get into the action scenes.

The Staceys arc is well played and has some coherence compared to the comics.

IMO, Spider-man 2 is above this one, but TAS is above 1 and 3.

I agree.

 

[msv]

Welp, the first two are some of the highest reviewed superhero movies of all time, many more positive reviews than ASM and most other superhero movies excluding Nolan's Batman films and The Avengers so...... I don't think I'm imagining things.

The imagining part was referring to the second sentence, not the first. I was questioning the poster saying that people who dislike it now, liked it when it came out.

And sure they reviewed well overall, doesn't mean it's not polarizing. I think it's pretty clear that there are a lot of people on both ends of the spectrum.

 

[brandonh83]

I get that someone who likes Raimi's take isn't going to see that much of a change, but from the perspective of those of us who do, the differences are much larger than what you describe.

I liked Raimi's film tons and... really, I have no idea how you could watch them back to back and claim that they're anything remotely alike. It retreads familiar ground when Peter Parker becomes Spiderman and... Ben dies... but the way these things play out develops much differently here, and outside of those very basic similarities, every other scene in the film was completely different to Raimi's.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

And I can't believe all the people now saying that Raimi's films sucked when they were drooling over them less than 5 years ago. Opinions!

Some of us have always felt they were...merely good.

 

[McBradders]

They didn't use the line. The fucking line.

That was my biggest nitpick XD

 

[Escape Goat]

Some of us have always felt they were...merely good.

Its not as if taste and opinions cant evolve. Does anyone think fashions of the 80s were actually cool? No. I used to hate onions on my hamburger but now I don't.

I watched Spider-Man 2 the other day and it almost put me to sleep. Tobey McGuire looks like hes just bored with everything. Kirstin Dunst is supposed to be this super model/actress with her face all over New York and I never buy into it.

My new favorite bitch about the movie is the closeups of people's faces as Spider-Man swings through the city. And some people even have to describe what we can clearly see. That one chick (who I'm convinced is Michelle from Destiny's Child) says "It's Spider-Man!" "It's a web!" "Go Spidey! Go!" I much prefer the less whimsy approach of Webb. Perhaps as Spider Man becomes more confident in his abilities he'll wisecrack more.

 

[jaxword]

They didn't use the line. The fucking line.

That was my biggest nitpick XD

I want you to imagine yourself in a parallel universe where the only difference was they DID use THAT ONE LINE.

Imagine the thread.

It'd be almost the same except the complaints about the LACK of the line would be complaints about how shoehorned in it was, how it once again was a rehash of Raimi's version, how inferior it was to Raimi's version, and then 10 clever posters pointing out THE LINE was never said by Ben in the comics anyways.

You know this to be true.

 

[Korey]

I'm glad they didn't use that overused lame-ass line.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Its not as if taste and opinions can evolve. Does anyone think fashions of the 80s were actually cool? No. I used to onions on my hamburger but now I don't.

I watched Spider-Man 2 the other day and it almost put me to sleep. Tobey McGuire looks like hes just bored with everything. Kirstin Dunst is supposed to be this super model/actress with her face all over New York and I never buy into it.

My new favorite bitch about the movie is the closeups of people's faces as Spider-Man swings through the city. And some people even have to describe what we can clearly see. That one chick (who I'm convinced is Michelle from Destiny's Child) says "It's Spider-Man!" "It's a web!" "Go Spidey! Go!" I much prefer the less whimsy approach of Webb. Perhaps as Spider Man becomes more confident in his abilities he'll wisecrack more.

For me, Spidey 1 and 2 were fun, campy little diversions. Nothing wrong with that, that's what you expect out of Spider-Man, right? They're solid, fun, forgettable little romps. Good for one watch, something to buy for your brand-new bluray player to show off your new hardware, but nothing you'd want to build a cult over.

Amazing Spider-Man wasn't close to perfect, but I did appreciate the better acting in it a lot more. The characters are more believable. I dunno, that puts it above the others in my book. I guess it really depends on what you want out of a film.

 

[Escape Goat]

I'm glad they didn't use that overused lame-ass line.

Its kind of Spider-Man's raison d'etre. It feels weird not having it in there.

 

[Korey]

Its kind of Spider-Man's raison d'etre. It feels weird not having it in there.

Yea I can see that

If they had to use it, I agree that having it at the end of the voice mail would've been the best place to put it. Or mentioned casually during some other sequence when he was still alive

I was really dreading Uncle Ben saying that in his last dying breath and did an mental fist pump when he didn't

 

[Pranay]

Amazing Spiderman has shattered all records in India for a hollywood movie here

 

[noah111]

Its kind of Spider-Man's raison d'etre. It feels weird not having it in there.

Not at all. People act as if the line has been used in the comics over and over or something, but it was only used (basically) once, and not even by Ben, and not even in those same words. SM1 gave the impression that it was some grand word-for-word line from the SM lore but in reality it was still quite a reinforcement to something that wasn't actually always a cornerstone to anything.

It wasn't needed at all, and Ben saying it doesn't really feel right anyway, but his little responsibly speech still came across as more meaningful at getting that point across than in SM1.

 

[jaxword]

Its kind of Spider-Man's raison d'etre. It feels weird not having it in there.

The entire movie was Peter finding his purpose. He didn't need to say it word for word. Did you honestly, truly not feel the change? Early-Peter, who used his powers to show off, be a jerk and get revenge, realized that wasn't the actions of a good hero and decided to listen to Ben's advice about his father: If you can do good things, then it's your responsibility to do those things.

That's a FAR better flowing way to do it.

You cannot deny that PEter, by the end, risking his life and identity to sop the lizard, was the EMBODIMENT of "great power equals great responsibility."

It was said. It just was said by actions and not words.

 

[jaxword]

Amazing Spiderman has shattered all records in India for a hollywood movie here

This makes me happy. It shows that the Superhero genre's core message: that a single good person CAN make a difference, is being accepted worldwide.

In these days of cynicism and fear, that's the kind of message we want our heroes to project.

 

[TacticalFox88]

come the fuck on.

You can't seriously tell me with a straight face that some parts of the films weren't extremely distracting, because you could obviously tell what was CG and what wasn't? The part

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in the sewer where all the lizards climb on his web

especially stands out.

As for the Lizard....I hate his design...so...SO much. Should've went with the Cartoon version, honestly.

 

[jaxword]

As for the Lizard....I hate his design...so...SO much. Should've went with the Cartoon version, honestly.

They should've gone for the best of both worlds. Each time he injected the serum, his features should have gotten more and more reptilian.

 

[Korey]

You can't seriously tell me with a straight face that some parts of the films weren't extremely distracting, because you could obviously tell what was CG and what wasn't? The part

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in the sewer where all the lizards climb on his web

especially stands out.

As for the Lizard....I hate his design...so...SO much. Should've went with the Cartoon version, honestly.

Yea the lizards were REALLY odd. I was like wtf.

The lizards crawling around by the drain outside, and then the ones on the wires. So weird.

 

[Escape Goat]

The entire movie was Peter finding his purpose. He didn't need to say it word for word. Did you honestly, truly not feel the change? Early-Peter, who used his powers to show off, be a jerk and get revenge, realized that wasn't the actions of a good hero and decided to listen to Ben's advice about his father: If you can do good things, then it's your responsibility to do those things.

That's a FAR better flowing way to do it.

You cannot deny that PEter, by the end, risking his life and identity to sop the lizard, was the EMBODIMENT of "great power equals great responsibility."

It was said. It just was said by actions and not words.

He said it just in different phrasing. People are blowing this out of proportion anyways. I'd have preferred the classic mission statement (and which is now current spidey's motivation for doing what he does).

 

[jaxword]

He said it just in different phrasing.

That's what I am saying. If you didn't think Peter was thinking that phrase in his head, you seriously missed his character arc.

 

[noah111]

Oh snap.

 

[Log4Girlz]

They should've gone for the best of both worlds. Each time he injected the serum, his features should have gotten more and more reptilian.

That actually would have been pretty cool.

 

[Escape Goat]

That's what I am saying. If you didn't think Peter was thinking that phrase in his head, you seriously missed his character arc.

No, I understood the movie just fine.

 

[Replicant]

I LOVE this film. It's not a perfect film by any means.  I think the Lizard is a weak villain.  Also the CG for the creature just looks stupid.  I know they want to make it more humanoid, but it just looks like that stupid thing from SMB.

Andrew Garfield is perfect Peter Parker and perfect Spider-man.  He's still geeky but not in the ridiculous nerd depiction that Hollywood tend to use.  He's more like the majority of GAF-fers in the Post Your Picture thread.  Pretty good-looking but clearly don't have much social interaction and a bit awkward in those.  I love his awkwardness with Gwen.

Emma Stone is perfect Gwen Stacey. I find her very very attractive in an innocent kind of way.  I think coloring her hair from red to blonde really soften her features and make her the kind of girl-next-door character that Gwen is supposed to be.  Love her zettai ryouki attire.

Not crazy about the Lizard but Curt Connor is a more realistic take on a villain.  At least he doesn't have that stupid "Oh look at me, I'm evil when you're not looking at me" look on his face like Willem Dafoe's Norman Osbourne.  Shame about the CG lizard though.

Uncle Ben/Aunt May.  Here's a confession: I hate Sally Field but for some reason she manages to make Aunt May likeable here.  I feel sorry for her waiting at home worrying for Peter all day and then only to find him all bloody afterwards.  Not too attached to Ben but then again I never find him that interesting in SM1 either.

Flash Thompson.  A better realization of the character in comparison to Joe Manganiello's version in SM1.  It's a shame his character arc is getting a cliff-note treatment.  I also still think that Flash Thompson should have been featured along with Harry Osbourne so we can see the two different trajectory they end up being after a few films.

Captain Stacey is okay.  Didn't have much of a role except as a minor problem for Spider-man.  But I like him regardless of his actions/attitude.  

And I think that's where this film is a plus for me in comparison to Raimi's films.  In Raimi's films, I find myself getting annoyed with most of the characters except Aunt May/Uncle Ben.  But in here, while I'm not enthused with some of them, I actually like most of them.  The action is also so much better and Spider-man's move have a sense of weight.

Score is nothing to talk about but I never noticed the score in SM1 either.  All in all, I finally find a version of Spider-man live action that I'm quite happy with.  It's not perfect but I'm hoping they can improve on the elements in the sequel.  Give me better villains and better score and I think I'll be very pleased.