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[SonicMegaDrive]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrhJiD3AEg4

ahahaha

The thing I love most about Gobby is that he's like a live action cartoon character straight out of the 80's. He'd fit right in perfectly with Skeletor and The Shredder.

I still think he should have had a mask closer to how he looked in the comics, though.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

ahahaha

The thing I love most about Gobby is that he's like a live action cartoon character straight out of the 80's. He'd fit right in perfectly with Skeletor and The Shredder.

I still think he should have had a mask closer to how he looked in the comics, though.

What is fantastic about the performance is the way that Dafoe modulates three distinct registers that are all in flux simultaneously, all of them larger than life: the smart, savvy businessman and emotionally absent father; the terrified paranoiac who can't cope with his own acts of villainy, and the grandiose, snarling monster who exults in tormenting others and being just plain bad.

"Me and Mary Jane are gonna have a HELL of a time!"

"...Don't tell Harry"

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

What is fantastic about the performance is the way that Dafoe modulates three distinct registers that are all in flux simultaneously, all of them larger than life: the smart, savvy businessman and emotionally absent father; the terrified paranoiac who can't cope with his own acts of villainy, and the grandiose, snarling monster who exults in tormenting others and being just plain bad.

If they bring back the Green Goblin, they need to bring Dafoe back. You can't top that. You just can't.

 

[Replicant]

Youuuu haven't seen the last of ME, SPIDER-MAN!!!!

God damn. I've forgotten how awful the CGI was back then.

And dat over-acting from Aunt May. *cringe*
Dat obvious cut from live action to crappy animation. *double cringe*

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

I always found it hilarious how nonchalant Pete was about passing out and waking up with washboard abs. He's all like "Hey, this is kind of neat. Oh shit I need to go to school."

 

[BattleMonkey]

The longest fight scene was in broad daylight in a school. Loved that setting.

Too bad it looked awful in motion

 

[SilentProtagonist]

I always found it hilarious how nonchalant Pete was about passing out and waking up with washboard abs. He's all like "Hey, this is kind of neat. Oh shit I need to go to school."

Happens to me all the time.

 

[Ohwiseone]

At the time when spiderman 1 came out, I remeber thinking how cool the redesign of the Green goblin looked. Now, not so much.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

At the time when spiderman 1 came out, I remeber thinking how cool the redesign of the Green goblin looked. Now, not so much.

I thought it kind of looked like a Power Rangers villain, which kinda fit when you think about it.

Now that I think about it, wasn't there a live action Spider-Man show in Japan in the same vein?

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

At the time when spiderman 1 came out, I remeber thinking how cool the redesign of the Green goblin looked. Now, not so much.

I still like the suit. The helmet just looks a bit too wonky. I'm just waiting for a movie to use Alex Ross' discarded GG design.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

The Goblin design is kinda funny in multiple ways: a big, plasticky shell that looks really fuckin' dumb, and offers no chance for Dafoe to act with anything but his eyes and teeth, thus encouraging him to really play to the rafters with his big extravagant line-readings; it's the brilliance of the movie in one body. Even in 2002, not many filmmakers would have let something as goofy-looking as that Goblin costume into their gigantic summer movie; but Raimi, a B-movie maker at heart then and always, understands the matinee appeal of a ridiculous monster. To hell with this oddball chase realism and prestigious gloss in comic book superhero movies; sometimes, the thing that is fun is to watch a guy in a squirrelly monster suit flail at a guy in a red and blue rubber unitard.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

He does a hell of a lot of mime work in the suit, too.

 

[noah111]

I always found it hilarious how nonchalant Pete was about passing out and waking up with washboard abs. He's all like "Hey, this is kind of neat. Oh shit I need to go to school."

Don't question your blessings muther fucker!!

 

[Aristion]

For you, maybe. For me, he makes Peter looks like a dumbass. This guy is oozing creepy vibe like a douchenozzle and yet Peter didn't suspect a thing until it's late.

I think there's difference between fun and camp. Avengers is what I'd call 'fun' film, Raimi's Spider-man were bordering too close on camp for my liking. Then again, I don't think Raimi is a good comedic director. His taste in comedy is a bit cringe-worthy for me, which was problematic in Army of Darkness and Spider-man 2/3. For my money, he works better in serious mode or full-on horror mode.

So...did you find Connors to be a better villain than Norman Osborn?

 

[noah111]

Anyone ever watch these shows?; http://youtu.be/JUcktiQxC9Q Looks so good :lol

 

[SmithnCo]

Anyone ever watch these shows?; http://youtu.be/JUcktiQxC9Q Looks so good :lol

I kinda want to watch Japanese Spider-Man.

Him firing that machine gun, lol. And that cat getting cut in half, haha.

 

[Replicant]

So...did you find Connors to be a better villain than Norman Osborn?

Connors, yeah. Lizard, not quite. I'd have liked Osbourne better if Dafoe held back the crazy eyes a bit more. We get it, you're the villain. No need to be sneering at every turn. Also, it'd be nice if the Goblin looks more like Goblins complete with pus and boils on his skins like in the original illustration instead some power ranger wannabe. But then again Lizard looks like a live-action Koopa.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Connors, yeah. Lizard, not quite. I'd have liked Osbourne better if Dafoe held back the crazy eyes a bit more. We get it, you're the villain. No need to be sneering at every turn. Also, it'd be nice if the Goblin looks more like Goblins complete with pus and boils on his skins like in the original illustration instead some power ranger wannabe. But then again Lizard looks like a live-action Koopa.

indeed

 

[Utako]

Watched ASM and 2002 SM back-to-back.

2002 wins. Holy shit, I hate Andrew Garfield. It's like they cast James Franco as Spider-Man instead of Maguire.

The performances are better in ASM, but it isn't nearly as fun.

 

[Future]

One thing I hope they change in the next spidey film is the reluctant villain. In spidey 1 some serum was making goblin crazy. In 2 it was the octopus AI. Sandman and Venom all had excuses. And even this one had the lizard serum shit fuckin with his head. And of course when the serum wears off he comes back to his senses...

Give me a villain that's just pure evil. Like Joker or Loki.

 

[Solo]

Yahoo poll,

Which Hollywood actor is the better Spider-Man?
Andrew Garfield (2012)

19%
Tobey Maguire (2002-2007)

81%

Tobey will always be Spider-Man in the minds of a whole generation. GAF will have to deal with that.

And they're both wasted on the 'Sci-Fi Original TV Movie'-level of camera-work and lighting in that first film!

No disagreement there. It's a shame Raimi couldn't get Bill Pope right from day one.

It's like they cast James Franco as Spider-Man instead of Maguire.

They almost did in 2002.....

 

[noah111]

Tobey will always be Spider-Man in the minds of a whole generation. GAF will have to deal with that.

When all the reviews practically unanimously agree that Andrew Garfield is a better Parker/SM I don't think that perception will last the next few years.

One thing I hope they change in the next spidey film is the reluctant villain. In spidey 1 some serum was making goblin crazy. In 2 it was the octopus AI. Sandman and Venom all had excuses. And even this one had the lizard serum shit fuckin with his head. And of course when the serum wears off he comes back to his senses...

Give me a villain that's just pure evil. Like Joker or Loki.

They could've nailed this with Spider-Man 3, and made MJ's husband-to-be turn into Venom. He's an astronaut after all, and Peter stealing MJ would give him motive. Eddie Brock was such a shit out-of-nowhere character.

I don't think a character like SM lends itself well towards villains who are pure evil with no motive, tbh. Something like Kraven would work best for a villain with no inner back/forth between good and evil.

 

[Killing_Joke]

When all the reviews practically unanimously agree that Andrew Garfield is a better Parker/SM I don't think that perception will last the next few years.

I don't know. It's not like either of them put up great Oscar worthy performances. Tobey looked more nerdy and his nerdy dialogue was always great. Hated Garfield's stupid skater hipster look. Nothing about him screamed nerdy smart guy. Well maybe when he started wearing the glasses for no reason. His part was just better written, but i wouldn't say he went above and beyond Tobey.

Tobey will be like Micheal Keaton. He put his stamp on the franchise and will always be Spider-Man even if newer better versions come out.

 

[Solo]

Bingo.

Tobey:Spidey::Connery:Bond

The first will always have the hearts of more than any of the subsequent people

 

[KorrZ]

Wow, I just watched Spider-man 2 on Blu-ray last night and the CGI of Spiderman sticks out like crazy after seeing TASM. It's still a great movie, but man...I hadn't seen it in 4-5 year and it was bothering me the whole movie how much Spider-man just looked noticeably like CG.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Bingo.

Tobey:Spidey::Connery:Bond

The first will always have the hearts of more than any of the subsequent people

 

[Salsa]

man Emma Stone with dem legs and high stocking was amazing. Theatre was in awe

 

[noah111]

Wow, I just watched Spider-man 2 on Blu-ray last night and the CGI of Spiderman sticks out like crazy after seeing TASM. It's still a great movie, but man...I hadn't seen it in 4-5 year and it was bothering me the whole movie how much Spider-man just looked noticeably like CG.

SM2 was a good improvement from SM1 though, which literally looked like a video game at times. Caught a bit on TV the other day and the biggest thing that sticks out for me is the cheesiness actually.

"you're the one who's out gobby, out've your mind!" etc. It was literally the 60s comics come to life :lol That's what made it good in some respects, but with the slew of more 'realistic' super hero movies that came out in the years following SM1 (arguably birthed by SM1 itself), a fresher/more contemporary take was what the character was dying for.

It's funny though, because the movie came out around the same time the Ult. SM comics were released and getting popular, and it's whole 'shtick' is being modern. The movies are sort of repeating history.

 

[Diablos54]

Bingo.

Tobey:Spidey::Connery:Bond

The first will always have the hearts of more than any of the subsequent people

I would agree if Tobey wasn't a sucky ass Peter Parker, and Connery wasn't a bad ass Bond.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

Nostalgia absolutely has to do with it, and to deny that is delusional. That's not to say if you think SM1 is better than ASM you're purely basing it off of nostalgia, but as far as actual review numbers or comparing 'memorable scenes', you can't judge stuff like that in a vacuum for either experience. Not to mention a lot of critics contrast one another in impressions, largely because everyone remembers how they felt during the first spidey movies differently or didn't see it as repeatedly as others, etc.

I've seen them all before ASM btw, but I've watched SM1 over the years more than a dozen times, SM2 probably even more, and SM3 several times in actual theaters as well as later on TV. I practically know them all by heart, loved them no matter what, and adore the films. I remember eating up SM2's special features stuff, bought the soundtrack and all that. But I think you're in the minority if you think this movie was terrible (which I don't think you do, i'm just speaking generally).

I think SM1 had a better actually script, and because it was the first to really do SM origins you can't fault it for a lot of that even though there was definitely things that could've been handled better. The first movie to do SM on the big screen will always have more memorable scenes, especially when this is coming out in the same generational time span. Though I do think this one isn't packed with as much 'set piece' stuff as before (even origins wise) I have no idea how you can say it didn't 'breath' the material. This was the most genuine spider-man and parker I have ever scene. I think Webb is more in touch with portraying this character than Raimi ever was. That isn't the problem with this movie at all (quite oppositely, it's what makes it good). If our memories were erased and SM1 and 2 were to come out next year the reactions would be quite different. However, Raimi did something amazing with pulling the SM franchise off and literally sparked super hero film frenzy over the next several years. But as actual 'Spider-Man' movies, they weren't some stroke of genius comparable to Batman Begins imo, and neither is ASM.


Whelp, agree to disagree I guess, but there to me there isn't even a debate in this regard. I can hardly believe you watched SM1&2 before ASM and still come to that conclusion. :lol

We aren't really disagreeing here on some key points (I do think this is the best spiderman/Peter Parker on screen, I don't think this is a bad movie overall, etc.) but your opinion here consists of a bunch of 'ifs' and putting words into peoples mouths. Once again, nostalgia has nothing to do with it. I loved Mortal Kombat the movie as a kid, have plenty of fond memories watching it with my brothers, and thought it was the best movie ever. Fast froward today and I know it's a shitty movie. My nostalgia isn't fogging my memory here, and I can now see it's glaring flaws with each rewatch. Will I watch it again? Yes, solely becuase it reminds me of those fond memories. But do I now see it for what it really is? Yes, because nostalgia isn't going to cloud my judgement enough to like a movie just because I liked it as a kid or have fond movie-going experiences with it.

SM1 is not a perfect film, but ASM has many more flaws at its core. Spotty writing, bad pacing, lackluster score, poor editing, and a poor villian. It doesn't matter when they were released; SM1 is the better film overall. As for Emma and Garfield suffering from poor writing, it's true. The situations they are put in together have nothing that compares to even Tobey and and Dunst in SM1 talking behind their house. Much less the upside down kiss, outside Dunst's resturant, or Tobey rejecting Dunst as the end. Yes, Garfield and Emma's chemistry is on a whole other level, but they were not given the proper dialogue or context to properly shine.

Spoiler

Garfield telling Emma he was spiderman was one of the most lackluster reveals I can think of in a superhero movie.The writting was very poor, and only saved by their charm on screen. Don't even get me on the bewildering decision by the director to cut away from Emma and Garfield swinging through New York together. Just seemed like a huge missed opportunity

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[Utako]

Yes, you figured it out, GAF. Nobody likes Andrew Garfield because they're zombies.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I just watched it, and i liked it much more than the original movies. Andrew is amazing, much much better than Tobey and Emma, she was too good. TOO GOOD. The chemistry between them felt natural. Even though the crane scene was lol, i really liked the footage when Spider-man swings. too bad the father issue was not resolved. I guess that´s what the sequels are for.

 

[noah111]

I do think this is the best spiderman/Peter Parker on screen.

Like it or not, this fact alone outweighs the other issues this movie had, for a lot of people. I'm somewhere in between, but there are definitely those who don't have an huge issue with pacing (hell, a few in this thread said they liked the pacing, somehow), or not caring about the villain being 'meh', as well as either not even noticing the score or actually liking it (was great in some spots imo, but overall lackluster). I don't really know where you're coming from with spotty writing or even editing, though (unless you're talking about pacing specifically).

The average person isn't a movie critic and notices the obvious 'plusses' of a movie like this, more so than its more obscure/specific weak points (score, pacing, editing etc, however important they may be) and generally walk away pleased. Oh and it also seemed like a lot of audiences clapped at the end of the movie, so it's hardly mediocre to most people (which I know you're not saying, but some were earlier).

Once again, nostalgia has nothing to do with it.

Once again, it has to play a part in your perception of the movie whether you like it or not. Not that you would think the movie was amazing if it weren't for nostalgia, but that the amount of time that has passed between movies most definitely hinders the overall impressions it can leave people, especially considering a lot of the movie is simply another origin with nearly the same pillars.

Personally, I enjoyed it simply because I know it'll pay off in the future having this deeper origin backstory and makes people invested in the characters more, but even I was sort of like "oh here comes X, Y Z" at points.

As for Emma and Garfield suffering from poor writing, it's true. The situations they are put in together have nothing that compares to even Tobey and and Dunst in SM1 talking behind their house. Much less the upside down kiss, outside Dunst's resturant, or Tobey rejecting Dunst as the end. Yes, Garfield and Emma's chemistry is on a whole other level, but they were not given the proper dialogue or context to properly shine.

I simply don't agree with any of this. Do you want them to replicate moments like that? All of that felt one dimensional for the most part as well, whereas this relationship and dialogue just feels a bit realer.

[edit] the above post is kind of case in point.

 

[EliteArtist]

I'm just going to throw this out there for people supporting the Peter/MJ relationship in SM. Spiderman 2 was on TV today and I tuned in for a bit. What followed was actually a scene of Peter and Mj talking to each other (after the birthday). It was the worst thing Ive ever seen. They do nothing but stare at each other with some really bad writing. MJ then touches Peters face... and you can AUDIBLY hear Tobey breathing. TASM had its share of staring, but it was meant to be akward. That scene... just doesn't hold up.

 

[Solo]

Not AUDIBLY!?

The horror!

 

[Good Job Bob]

The more I think about this "film", the more I hate it.

 

[EatinOlives]

Wut. Some people actually think Green Goblin was a good villain?

Even when I was 12 I thought he was a lame villain. Some people are really grasping here.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Just finished it

Holy shit that was awful

And Peter Parker was dreadful

More when I get home

 

[remnant]

Jeez this movie has bipolar reviews. Not sure if I see it tomorrow morning or wait until it's at the 2 dollar theater.

 

[DrBo42]

Just saw it. The score drags this movie down so far, ruins the mood of pretty much any scene. Horner did an awful job. Pretty weak film overall but spideys movement is fantastic. Bad writing overall. School fight was great, some of you guys are insane.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

Watched it. Thought it was far better than Spidey 3 and about the same as Spidey 1, liked Garfield and Stone, and have high hopes for the sequel to improve the problems of the first. Could've done without some of the worst cheesiness, like the construction workers and the obligatory american flag, but overall I liked it. The school fight was great, the music was shitty.



Could someone give me a quick rundown of the classic GAF criticisms and stuff?

 

[Solo]

Could someone give me a quick rundown of the classic GAF criticisms and stuff?

I haven't seen it yet, but the two main things seems to be:
- horrendous editing
- a scene featuring cranes which is even more cheesy and awful than S-M1's bridge scene

 

[Good Job Bob]

Watched it. Thought it was far better than Spidey 3 and about the same as Spidey 1, liked Garfield and Stone, and have high hopes for the sequel to improve the problems of the first. Could've done without some of the worst cheesiness, like the construction workers and the obligatory american flag, but overall I liked it. The school fight was great, the music was shitty.



Could someone give me a quick rundown of the classic GAF criticisms and stuff?

Terrible, distracting score. Bad writing (plot holes, shitty uninteresting dialogue, etc). Horrendous pacing. Inconsistent tone. Sloppy editing. Complete lack of directorial vision.

 

[Ohwiseone]

I don't understand the argument about the score, that to me is pointless.

I'm waiting spider man 1 at the moment, and I don't know If it is because I like comics TAS is based off of or what.

But as great as Sam raimi did (spiderman 2 is still a fucking masterpiece IMO), I like TAS more than spidey 1.

I guess I buy Garfield and stone more in the roles than I can with McGwire and Dunst, however there are a few scenes in spidey 1 with them that are pretty good (backyard being one).

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

I haven't seen it yet, but the two main things seems to be:
- horrendous editing
- a scene featuring cranes which is even more cheesy and awful than S-M1's bridge scene

Yeah, the crane thing bothered me. So ridiculous and unnecessary, too, much better way to show the city likes Spidey.

Also, it's not that it's "cheesy". Cheesy in Spider-Man is good. Spidey should be doing cheesy wisecracks and living cheesy situations, it was just stupid.

Terrible, distracting score. Bad writing (plot holes, shitty uninteresting dialogue, etc). Horrendous pacing. Inconsistent tone. Sloppy editing.

Can agree on the score thing, as well as the editing, but I didn't find the others to be that big of a deal.

 

[BackwardsSuggestions]

I loved it and it certainly my movie of the year. Was fun and I never read the comics so don't mind the inconsistencies.

 

[Good Job Bob]

I don't understand the argument about the score, that to me is pointless.

I'm waiting spider man 1 at the moment, and I don't know If it is because I like comics TAS is based off of or what.

But as great as Sam raimi did (spiderman 2 is still a fucking masterpiece IMO), I like TAS more than spidey 1.

I guess I buy Garfield and stone more in the roles than I can with McGwire and Dunst,

It isn't pointless because not only is the score completely garbage & generic tripe, but they fucking BLASTED it over pretty much EVERY SCENE---and thus it became distracting which is a huge no-no.

 

[Ohwiseone]

I didn't find the score to be that distracting, I actually thought it was pretty good. Some of newtons best stuff.


I'm a fan of movie scores though. I mean I know my opinion didn't really matter all that much however.

 

[noah111]

It isn't pointless because not only is the score completely garbage & generic tripe, but they fucking BLASTED it over pretty much EVERY SCENE---and thus it became distracting which is a huge no-no.

I've said it before and i'll say it again: 99% of the world couldn't give a shit less about the score and won't really even notice it.

Not that that makes the score actually good, but it wasn't as horribly distracting as you make it out to be either imo.

I loved it and it certainly my movie of the year. Was fun and I never read the comics so don't mind the inconsistencies.

Raimi's franchise is more inconsistent at this point so I doubt anyone's complaining about not treating to the basic source material (and the source being the comics, not the previous movies which some people confuse with one another).

Wut. Some people actually think Green Goblin was a good villain?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/059/143/Ohwow.jpg[IMG]

Even when I was [I]12[/I] I thought he was a lame villain. Some people are really grasping here.[/QUOTE]
Well he was well portrayed by Dafoe is what I think people were getting at; mad man with bipolar, etc. I actually love the 'one thing people want more than a hero' speech. It was all overzealous but that's part of the character. As an actual villain though, they never really had any awesome arial combat like in the comics, but the brutal fist fight was great, esp. for such a cheese film.

[quote="Solo, post: 39614106"][B]I haven't seen it yet[/B], but the two main things seems to be:
- horrendous editing
- a scene featuring cranes which is even more cheesy and awful than S-M1's bridge scene[/QUOTE]
Say WUTTT, all your posts in here made me think you had for some reason. :p

 

[Radec]

Just watched this earlier, it was decent.

Although Spider-Man 1 > Amazing Spider-Man.

SP1 got better pacing, story, villain, side-characters, and overall a better Peter Parker.