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[Korey]

That didn't seem very unusual.

Copy and pasted from earlier in the thread:

Flash Thompson's character arc:

Harasses Parker in hallway with other jocks ->

Bully's a nerdy student by physically holding him and forcing him to eat upside-down ->

Beats the crap out of Peter ->

Ruins student painting a banner ->

Gets humiliated by Peter on the court (Peter gets sent to principal's office for this) ->

Tries to console Peter over Uncle Ben's death (Peter slams him against locker) ->

Hugs Peter in hallway like they're lifelong buddies​

 

[neojubei]

snip.

Totally agree.

 

[Sanjuro]

Copy and pasted from earlier in the thread:

Flash Thompson's character arc:

Harasses Parker in hallway with other jocks ->

Bully's a nerdy student by physically holding him and forcing him to eat upside-down ->

Beats the crap out of Peter ->

Ruins student painting a banner ->

Gets humiliated by Peter on the court (Peter gets sent to principal's office for this) ->

Tries to console Peter over Uncle Ben's death (Peter slams him against locker) ->

Hugs Peter in hallway like they're lifelong buddies​

Sounds like Flash Thompson to me.

*shrugs*

 

[Zekes!]

well I caved in and decided to go back to reading the comics again. Picked up the 'Ends of the Earth' arc. Wasn't bad, but it wasn't as fun as Spider-Island. Will probably keep reading though. Might go back and pick up the next two issues of ASM so I'm caught up.

I really wanna go see this again in theatres, but I couldn't find anyone but my young cousin to go with me the first time, so finding someone to go a second time is going to be near impossible

 

[Dany]

As previously mentioned Peters meltdown about "They left me" only for the audience to figure out his parents died was very odd.

Considering what we know are deleted scenes, I'm curious what they cut out and why. Peters parents and Flash are oddly inconsistent.

 

[HeySeuss]

Copy and pasted from earlier in the thread:

Flash Thompson's character arc:

Harasses Parker in hallway with other jocks ->

Bully's a nerdy student by physically holding him and forcing him to eat upside-down ->

Beats the crap out of Peter ->

Ruins student painting a banner ->

Gets humiliated by Peter on the court (Peter gets sent to principal's office for this) ->

Tries to console Peter over Uncle Ben's death (Peter slams him against locker) ->

Hugs Peter in hallway like they're lifelong buddies​

I don't have a problem with any of this. Anybody who's been in a school fight can attest that often times after a fight or two, they end up friends.

 

[anaron]

I don't have a problem with any of this. Anybody who's been in a school fight can attest that often times after a fight or two, they end up friends.

lol, what school did you go to?

 

[Link Man]

well I caved in and decided to go back to reading the comics again. Picked up the 'Ends of the Earth' arc. Wasn't bad, but it wasn't as fun as Spider-Island. Will probably keep reading though. Might go back and pick up the next two issues of ASM so I'm caught up.

I really wanna go see this again in theatres, but I couldn't find anyone but my young cousin to go with me the first time, so finding someone to go a second time is going to be near impossible

Just go by yourself to a weekday matinee.

 

[Aselith]

As previously mentioned Peters meltdown about "They left me" only for the audience to figure out his parents died.

Considering what we know are deleted scenes, I'm curious what they cut out and why. Peters parents and Flash are oddly inconsistent.

That's not really an English sentence you made there but I think you meant that the scene you mentioned is the only way we find out his parents died?

If so, there's a scene toward the beginning of the movie where they talk about how his parents died in a plane crash and it's mentioned several other times during the movie.

 

[Dany]

I don't have a problem with any of this. Anybody who's been in a school fight can attest that often times after a fight or two, they end up friends.

no...

If so, there's a scene toward the beginning of the movie where they talk about how his parents died in a plane crash and it's mentioned several other times during the movie.

It is?

 

[HeySeuss]

lol, what school did you go to?

School of hard knocks apparently. But then again I'm 36 and I grew up in a different time.

Now excuse me while I go scream at some clouds.

 

[Korey]

It is?

It's only mentioned once, when he Bings his parents' death and it's shown in online newspaper clippings. Otherwise they never mention that his parents died.

Why are there newspaper clippings online btw? Wouldn't it just be online news articles?

 

[Aselith]

It's only mentioned once, when he Bings his parents' death and it's shown in newspaper clippings. Otherwise they never mention that his parents died.

Yes, there is a scene between Connors and the douchebag executive guy where they talk about the plane crash that killed the Parkers and there is also the part where Peter visits Connors at his house and Connors apologizes for not coming around after Parker's parents died and a few other moments. It's mentioned enough to understand that yes his parents are, in fact, dead.

Spoiler

MY PARENTS ARE DEAD

 

[Dany]

Yes there is a scene between Connors and the douchebag executive guy where they talk about the plane crash that killed the Parkers.

His accent was extraordinarily thick. Didn't catch that

It's only mentioned once, when he Bings his parents' death and it's shown in online newspaper clippings. Otherwise they never mention that his parents died.

Why are there newspaper clippings online btw? Wouldn't it just be online news articles?

Older newspapersa are archived in databases by just by scanning the newspaper. It would be in a time before the interwebs.

 

[Murrah]

I spent the whole movie thinking Connors was the scientist from Ninja Turtles 2. The truth hurts

Other than that I thought the movie was really good. It's no SM2, but I liked it more than 1 or 3, and I used to love the first one. Even then ASM outshone 2 in some ways, namely just the way it looks; looks like I always imagined a Spider-Man movie would look. I think they put down some really solid groundwork for a sequel, and I'm really looking forward to it so long as they get a villain that isn't as horrible as Lizard

 

[DrForester]

Yes, there is a scene between Connors and the douchebag executive guy where they talk about the plane crash that killed the Parkers and there is also the part where Peter visits Connors at his house and Connors apologizes for not coming around after Parker's parents died and a few other moments. It's mentioned enough to understand that yes his parents are, in fact, dead.

Didn't the paper clipping that Peter found say the Parker's And Connors were killed?

 

[Aselith]

His accent was extraordinarily thick. Didn't catch that


Older newspapersa are archived in databases by just by scanning the newspaper. It would be in a time before the interwebs.

I doubt it as he was only like 17-18 in the movie and the scene where they show his parents is when he's probably 8 or 9 so I'd say it happened maybe 10 years ago which would have been 2002 assuming the movie is present day which I believe it was meant to be.

I'd imagine it was just a stylistic choice because newspaper headlines tend to have bigger fonts than online webpages so they probably made it a newspaper clipping so that it would show up better on screen.

Also news webpages tend to be very, very busy so they probably didn't want to clutter up the shot of what they wanted you to see making it look like an actual news site.

Didn't the paper clipping that Peter found say the Parker's And Connors were killed?

If it did, that was some incredibly shitastic reporting by that reporter. Not like Connors was hiding out. I don't remember it saying anything like that though no.

 

[Antiochus]

So what is the final verdict from those who saw both this film and its direct ancestor 10 years ago? How does it compare?

 

[Korey]

So what is the final verdict from those who saw both this film and its direct ancestor 10 years ago? How does it compare?

Consensus seems to be better than 1 and 3, but less than or equal to 2.

None of the Spider-man movies are that great.

Didn't the paper clipping that Peter found say the Parker's And Connors were killed?

No, just the Parkers.

 

[Ohwiseone]

I just finished watching the first one. I think TASM is better than spidey 1.

It has script issues, but I feel like I can buy the chemistry between Garfield and stone better than Dunst and macguire. I also think the action is done better, I think that Webb staged stuff better and he captured fluidity of spiderman better than raimi

 

[Aselith]

So what is the final verdict from those who saw both this film and its direct ancestor 10 years ago? How does it compare?

I haven't watched the original trilogy in a while but I thought a lot of things were handled much better as far as the origin. Like I thought the scene where Ben is shot is better in this one as is the spider bite scene.

I also liked the villain better here as he was sympathetic and Osborne in SM1 was just kind of a cackling madman to be honest. I didn't think there was all that much to latch onto with him.

Whereas Connors is a dude that actually tells his boss to go fuck himself when he wants him to do something unethical and basically becomes deluded into thinking he is helping people. I found him to be a much better and mroe sympathetic villain than DaFoes turn as Gollum.

 

[Discotheque]

lol like your one to talk.

lol seriously. This guy's up Nolan's butt. But I still agree with what he said.

 

[EliteArtist]

Serious Question: Do spiders normally die after biting someone? Is there any sort of species of spider that does that?

 

[Aselith]

Serious Question: Do spiders normally die after biting someone? Is there any sort of species of spider that does that?

I'm pretty sure it was alive when he pulled it off actually. I think he put it in the jar and smothered it like a psychotic. Probably called that little jar the "punishment box" or some nonsense.

 

[AgentChris]

 

[Good Job Bob]

lol seriously. This guy's up Nolan's butt. But I still agree with what he said.

Nolan makes artless corporate cash grabs?

Also, I use Nolan's Batman films as examples of superhero films that do something unique and inspired opposed to soulless blandfests like most of the Marvel Studios films, thus I'm "up Nolan's butt"? lol.

 

[SmithnCo]

I mad.

 

[Nesotenso]

Sounds like Flash Thompson to me.

*shrugs*

Yes that is Flash Thompson. He becomes one of better friends and enlists in the military taking inspiration from Spidey. Did they show him to be a Spidey fanboy?

 

[KillGore]

Yes that is Flash Thompson. He becomes one of better friends and enlists in the military taking inspiration from Spidey. Did they show him to be a Spidey fanboy?

Yes

 

[Admiral Bone to Pick]

Yes that is Flash Thompson. He becomes one of better friends and enlists in the military taking inspiration from Spidey. Did they show him to be a Spidey fanboy?

He was wearing a Spidey shirt in his hugging scene with Peter.

 

[EliteArtist]

To elaborate on that, Flash was wearing a Spidey tee at the film... I kind of want that tee shirt.

and beaten

 

[Good Job Bob]

Yes that is Flash Thompson. He becomes one of better friends and enlists in the military taking inspiration from Spidey. Did they show him to be a Spidey fanboy?

Yeah, it was one of the few good things about this film.

 

[Sanjuro]

Yes that is Flash Thompson. He becomes one of better friends and enlists in the military taking inspiration from Spidey. Did they show him to be a Spidey fanboy?

One of my favorite parts in the film. Shame they really wasted him in the original trilogy and forced him into a life of stripping.

 

[Dany]

Why did peter use the camera to take photos of Lizard that had a label saying "PROPERTY OF PETER PARKER"

he really didn't think that one through.

 

[Sanjuro]

Why did peter use the camera to take photos of Lizard that had a label saying "PROPERTY OF PETER PARKER"

he really didn't think that one through.

That is probably the only camera he can afford.

&

He expected to get the camera back without issue.

&

A nod to the comics, I'm going to assume this trilogy is going to reflect modern media.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Why did peter use the camera to take photos of Lizard that had a label saying "PROPERTY OF PETER PARKER"

he really didn't think that one through.

That was pretty poorly done, they should have used Chekhov's gun and did a close-up on that label earlier in the film.

 

[planar1280]

slightly OT but going to start reading spider-man comics for the first time, which ones (top 5) should I start with

 

[JimiNutz]

Just got back from an Imax showing and am in the 'mixed bag' group.

I really enjoyed SM1&2 as a teenager and had low expectations for this as wasn't sure on the choice of director or cast.

Best two aspects of the film were def Garfield and the fantastic cgi. Garfield is a much better Parker than Mcguire ever was. He's a better actor, far more likeable and his Parker falls more in line with how a 'modern' Parker should be. He is also a better Spider-Man although this may be due to the script which injected some much needed humour/wise cracks.

The web slinging was breath taking at times. Its amazing to see just how much the cgi has improved. Spider-Man looks so much more real and the 3D was well done during the web slinging sequences. Really glad I got to see them in Imax as well.

They also really nailed the movement of Spider-Man. He moved like a spider and certain shots and poses were straight out of the comics.

I really wasn't a fan of the Lizard though. Acting seemed phoned in and I think Doc Ock, Sandman and even Green Goblin where better villains.

I also don't get the love for Stone as Gwen. She was ok but I couldn't get over the fact that she looked 10 years older than the 17 year old that she was supposed to be playing.

I think I really prefered the overall tome of the first two Raimi films as well. Sure they were cheesy at times but they had a real 'feel good' factor that this film was missing. The support characters such as J Jameson were much better in the Raimi films as well.

In the Raimi films I remember Spider-Man saving ordinary citizens from danger, burning buildings etc. I would have liked to have seen more Spider-Man scenes where he wasn't just fighting The Lizard.

Overall it was a solid foundation with some improvements over the Raimi films yet I somehow enjoyed Raimi's first film more (maybe just because I was younger and more easily impressed?)

For the sequel I really hope they introduce Harry and Norman, J Jameson, maybe MJ. Def needs a stronger villain too. Lizard felt like Green Goblin (lite) in this. Maybe do Electro or Vulture (or both?)

 

[KillGore]

Why did peter use the camera to take photos of Lizard that had a label saying "PROPERTY OF PETER PARKER"

he really didn't think that one through.

I took it as him trying to prove that Lizard was real, since no one believed him

 

[Sanjuro]

slightly OT but going to start reading spider-man comics for the first time, which ones (top 5) should I start with

Spider-Man Blue is a nice standalone piece to get you started.

 

[Lothars]

I guess you missed the part where he hugs Parker at the end of the movie?

One of the worse character arcs in a movie of all time srsly

if you mean the same flash thompson arc that's happened in most spiderman events than I thought it was great and a faithful representation of peter parker and flash thompson.

Nolan makes artless corporate cash grabs?

Also, I use Nolan's Batman films as examples of superhero films that do something unique and inspired opposed to soulless blandfests like most of the Marvel Studios films, thus I'm "up Nolan's butt"? lol.

Yes you are and it's pretty insane because the batman movies are pretty good but I think they really lose something on repeat viewings.

 

[AgentChris]

I hope we see Kraven in ASM2 or ASM3.

 

[EliteArtist]

if you mean the same flash thompson arc that's happened in most spiderman events than I thought it was great and a faithful representation of peter parker and flash thompson.

Yes you are and it's pretty insane because the batman movies are pretty good but I think they really lose something on repeat viewings.

Was that flash arc represented in the ultimate comics? I just remember Peter breaking Flash's hand and then Flash disappeared? Wait, wasn't Flash essentially split into two characters? Flash and Kong? Anyone remember Kong?

 

[Sanjuro]

Was that flash arc represented in the ultimate comics? I just remember Peter breaking Flash's hand and then Flash disappeared? Wait, wasn't Flash essentially split into two characters? Flash and Kong? Anyone remember Kong?

No. In Ultimate Spider-Man, Flash was a piece of shit.

 

[EliteArtist]

No. In Ultimate Spider-Man, Flash was a piece of shit.

Right, he sued Aunt May and Uncle Ben for the fight he broke his hand in. I remember that now. Wow. It's all coming back to me now. Shitty of him.

 

[Korey]

if you mean the same flash thompson arc that's happened in most spiderman events than I thought it was great and a faithful representation of peter parker and flash thompson.

I think for people that are super-familiar with Spider-man it might have been an expected arc.

For the rest of us it was poorly executed and way too quick, since Flash was shown a total of 18 seconds in the movie.

It'd be the equivalent of that entire arc taking place in one episode of the cartoon or in one comic book.

 

[Sanjuro]

I think for people that are super-familiar with Spider-man it might have been an expected arc.

For the rest of us it was poorly executed and way too quick, since Flash was shown a total of 18 seconds in the movie.

It'd be the equivalent of that entire arc taking place in one episode of the cartoon or in one comic book.

I doubt Flash is even going to be mentioned after Parker leaves high school. They might find something for him to do, but Flash felt nothing other than fan service to me in ASM.

 

[Zabka]

Good movie, not as good as 2. SM2 just works in spite of similar problems to the other Raimi films.

Felt smaller in scale than SM1 but I think they made some smart changes to the story.

Swiss Miss for ASM2 prime villain!

 

[Messofanego]

Don't know if this has been posted, but just saw these on The Daily Show w/ Jon Stewart:

"Buns of Steel"

 

[artist]

SPOILERS GALORE, DONT READ IF YOU HAVENT SEEN THE MOVIE.


+ Spider-man's movement, action
+ Denis Leary
+ Andrew Garfield (75% of the movie)

- Weak Villain
- Poor build up, pacing
- Pointless story arcs that go no where
- Characters with no conviction
- Spider-man suit looks real cheap in certain scenes
- Weak 3D

Garfield was great for a major part of the movie. There were a few scenes he could have done better but I guess he did his part enough for me to like him more than Tobey. Denis Leary was great IMO, best of the side characters. He nailed his part as good as Simmons nailed Jonah Jameson in the Raimi movies. I didnt like Uncle Ben/Aunt May as much even though they had a lot more screen time than their characters in the previous movies. Dont have anything to commend about Emma as she was just being Emma and nothing more.

I guess the biggest disappointment for me is Webb's treatment of the characters. Sure he got the awkward love story correct but the chemistry is just there, it doesnt go from 0 to 100.

Connors goes from being angry on Parkers to having no morals about them meeting their fate to having morals again about testing on veterans to then no morals on inflicting harm on innocent people as the lizard to becoming the king lizard and being dismissive of human being a weak species to then conveniently in the end having morals again to save Peter in the end. If there was one villain that is all over the place then Connors is definitely the very definition of it.

The origin stuff was also very poorly conceived and executed. I mean from the spider bite to Peter realizing his powers to the training montage on his skateboard, it all felt flat and cheap (the humor too - lady's tshirt sticking to Pete's hand and OMG lol I saw that woman's bra LOL LOL). Compare that to Raimi's SM1 and the shot of Tobey climbing the wall for the first time and it is shot so beautifully. Here we have Garfield doing a few finger pushups on the tower and then jumping off the building on a gadget that he just frickin' built, I mean the danger in that scene was as much as the tension in the final battle, nothing.

As for the 3D aspect, IMO not worth it. I had so much hopes on the 3D for this movie, so much that I argued with Sculli on it .. .. I had higher hopes on the 3D of this movie more than Hobbit, thats how much my expectations were and I was let down. I'd say even the 3D in Transformers 3 was better. The web slinging and action was great though and easily the best parts of the movie. The action was better than SM2's, thats how good it was. Especially the closing sequence was the best choreographed and it could have kept going forever.

The Spidey suit also looked terrible in certain scenes, especially the ear part - it was sticking out like a sore thumb. I know they somehow cover the ear part with the mask but here you could clearly see the ear and the overall shape of Spidey's head was out of whack. Its just a minor detail but if that was intentional then they surely got it right :/

Also Webb doesnt know when to end a scene for example, when Garfield is angry on Uncle Ben & Aunt May, walks out slamming the door behind them, it was unnecessary as the audience were connecting with the emotional Garfield and on this everyone started laughing their asses off, it was just really off. And to make things worse, Uncle Ben walks out and looks back at Aunt May through the broken glass, it was like a final piece of laughter left in to ruin whatever that was built earlier.

And a few things are best unsaid, Emma turning around and saying "Oh, he made you promise, didnt he!!!1" was also unncessary IMO. That is what made SM1's end so great, Peter walking off with the monologue on why he chose that way. Here we have, promises blah blah *wink* *wink* LOL LOL. It's like to stand out, they did exactly the opposite of the first movie. Bah.

I'm just too bummed out with the movie right now. Maybe if I catch it a second time depending on my friends, my opinion will change ..

Spoiler

slightly