Don't care about cartoons. Elfman's Spidey theme is live action Spidey, and shall forever remain so. Since Raimi is no longer attached to the franchise, I don't know why they don't try to get Elfman back.
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Don't care about cartoons. Elfman's Spidey theme is live action Spidey, and shall forever remain so. Since Raimi is no longer attached to the franchise, I don't know why they don't try to get Elfman back.
SilentProtagonist
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Working at a movie theater, I hear the credits/ending to every movie about 8 times a day (literally). And I honestly can't hum a single note from the ASM theme at the end. Which is odd because usually the ending theme to movies gets trapped in my head after the 2nd day they've been out.
Avengers on the other hand I knew by heart before the first week of it was out. That theme is great and will become iconic.
Tim Burton won't release him from his cell.
ConfusingJazz
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He writes more "la la la, boomboomboom", or he gets the hose again!
EliteArtist
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There's even a picture of his kid in the lower left hand corner of that chalk board. What the hell Sony...
Also, how many jackets does Peter own? I swear he had a new one every time the day changed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKkEWzpJX-Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM_C9_VRmZE&feature=related
Yeah, I love Elfman's work on those movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM_C9_VRmZE&feature=related
Yeah, I love Elfman's work on those movies.
AgentChris
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Elfman for ASM2 please. I thought the opening and ending theme were good but not memorable in ASM.
I can never get over how inferior it is to his work on Batman.
Count me in as someone who would like to see someone else take a shot.
rollingstart
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I wouldn't mind Michael Giacchino's take on Spider-Man.
Ok off the top of my head (i'll stick with SM2 since i've seen that the most), i'll start with the fusion reactor since it has so many dumb holes.
-the very first live test of this new scientific breakthrough is held in a skyscraper in the middle of down town fucking new york. Makes no sense how a) such a thing would even be allowed and b) a scientist would be dumb enough to do an experiment in anything but a controlled environment.
-clear emphasis on a need to wear goggles or els it would impair his vision, yet there are people standing right behind him with no protection, and then at the end he, peter, and mj are all right in front of a giant version with no issues.
-illogical magnetics where certain metal jewelry pops off and others don't. Not to mention at the end, the metal walls and ceiling are pulled in but the metal floor is in tact. Which is needed so Ock can 'drown' it, or else it would've drowned itself and the whole thing would've been pointless.
-throwing a cab right in the face of your only lead on contacting spider-man. they made emphasis on Ock wanting to send a message to SM through peter, specifically a location. this would've been impossible if pete had died, which should've been likely when you throw a cab right in his face.
-Ock isn't a super human yet he takes punches in the face and body from a guy who can pulverize fucking concrete with one blow. He should've been dead when he gets thrown 50 feet out of the bank and hits a car. Hell, i think the most damage to him was done when Aunt May hit him in the face with her umbrella and he screams in pain, yet all the punching of SM does nothing.
-Speaking which, May not seeing the floor right under her damn feet when dangling by her umbrella on that statues hand.
-this is more of a blooper but when May is at the house packing up and leaving, they hug (after her speech) and from shot to shot, peters head is over a different shoulder of hers each time.
-a BUNCH of costume errors. I've seen the movie so many times it's hard not to notice them anymore. Like all the tears in his suit when he's stopping the train, then totally disappearing later. Or him taking off his mask due to the electric charge/smoke on the right side of his mask inside the eye piece lens, then later on when he is delivered to Harry the mask is pristine. back to the rips in his suit though, at the end scene with Otto, the rips keep changing literally from cut to cut, mid conversation even
-another blooper but it's easy to spot upon second viewing. the kid peter saves in the burning building, when she helps him up you can see her clearly wear huge knee pads under her pj's.
-The end scene where him and MJ web away, apparently swinging on air since there's nothing around them in the middle of that dock
-entire losing his powers plot made no sense. It's supposed to be because of his severe depression that he loses his powers, but if that's the case, they should come back when he's happy, but they stay gone even when he's finally happy, which means he can basically turn them on and off.
-when Ock comes to harry he does this disappearing act where one second he's in one place and the next he's literally 50 feet away. No cuts or anything either, just straight up teleportation.
-another obvious plot hole, how did Harry know where Ock was holding MJ/where his hideout was? Otto never says anything and there's no indicator that harry should know anything about this.
Anyway, thanks for letting me go on this tangent but you asked for it. There's a ton of stuff like this in all the SM movies, from big plot holes to obvious bloopers... so I find it laughable that some are dogging on tiny stuff in ASM like how was he in the car before the burglar or the crane man, and so on, when compared to the other movies this movie is practically clean of cheese.
The more I think about this movie, the more disappointed I am with the Lizard. Like more disappointed than Venom in 3.
Ever since Connors appeared in Spider-Man 2, I was looking forward to something like this in live action:
I can't believe how horribly they botched the design we got. It doesn't look scary or cool or interesting or good in any conceivable way. It just look stupid from every single angle.
Ever since Connors appeared in Spider-Man 2, I was looking forward to something like this in live action:
I can't believe how horribly they botched the design we got. It doesn't look scary or cool or interesting or good in any conceivable way. It just look stupid from every single angle.
You are a gentleman and a scholar.
Seriously. From every standpoint, he's the worst villain in the franchise so far.
GrayFoxPL
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Admiral Bone to Pick
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Venom is easily the worst for me. Theres not a single redeemable quality about him.
UGH
He likes being bad. It makes him happy.
Jack Scofield
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The more I think about this movie, the more disappointed I am with the Lizard. Like more disappointed than Venom in 3.
Ever since Connors appeared in Spider-Man 2, I was looking forward to something like this in live action:
I can't believe how horribly they botched the design we got. It doesn't look scary or cool or interesting or good in any conceivable way. It just look stupid from every single angle.
I don't understand the fascination people have with this design. Yep, it's a giant lizard. Nothing particualrly special and contains mo elements that stand out. It's by no means any better or worse than the design in the film.
GrayFoxPL
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It's the face. It's like his body is full blown reptile but head is underdeveloped with mostly human face. Looks shit imo, the voice is even worse.
I jokingly had a multiple choice question earlier, but man did you even watch SM3? I can't even decide which was worse between Sandman and Venom, but I don't think Lizard was as bad as either tbh.
Honestly, the SWAT guys Lizard looked scarier than Lizard himself. The tongue thing especially. We needed more 'sick' and 'atrocious' qualities to this Lizard that were just generally absent. Hell I almost feel sorry for the guy, curing everyone on the planet earth of all diseases by turning them into lizards doesn't even sound like such a bad idea. He even asked nicely dammit!
He wasn't draconian enough for a villain, let alone a giant monster villain, is what i'm saying. The facial features play a large role in that and I don't think his dialog was worth that change.
Pretty much.
I wish the "goomba" thing was an exaggeration but its really not. He looks like a goomba.
Discotheque
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Best composer for a tv show ever. BSG OST > Lost by a landslide.
I love Giachinno but he rehashes so much. Everything sounds like something out of Lost from him these days.
Anton Sugar
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As shitty as the ASM design is, it would be hard to convincing portray a talking lizard with a longer snout. Unfortunately--he would be much more terrifying with a better design.
thecouncil
Banned
then dont have him talk. did he say anything relevant as Lizard anyway?
Sandman and Venom at least made sense as characters (even if only on paper). Lizard's arc just jumped from point A to Z and skipped every step in between.
maniac-kun
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Just came back from the cinema. The new spiderman was awesome 
Joel Was Right
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Just want to say the soundtrack that played on the cranes scene was heart fluttering. That and some of the Avatar tracks are perfect examples of scores blending with cinema
Anton Sugar
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I mean, I would be completely okay with that. I like Connors, but the Lizard was pretty forgettable.
the crane sequence is awesome for the sheer fact that is the best scene of spider-man swinging ever put on screen.
me too.
Goddammit. Why'd you have to say something like that?
you guys really think this track is shit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWs_zavB5nM&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWs_zavB5nM&feature=relmfu
First of all, you said as villains and not as characters. However, how exactly do you figure that (the jump from point A to Z)? Not sure I get what you mean.
rollingstart
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Admittedly, I'm not familiar with Bear outside of BSG, and for the music I'd expect in Spider-Man, Giacchino's past work fits.
Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu0QO1za64E
Maybe I'm crazy, but I feel that could totally fit Spider-Man
Yup. This is what I came away from it with. I didn't give two shits about how ridiculous the set up was, it made for the most awesome Spider-man web swinging I've ever seen, I'd even call it breathtaking especially in 3D.
Also on the theme song front I grew up with this so it'll always be my Spidey theme song
I agree then though I love Bear's BSG soundtracks. Giacchino would make an awesome Spider-man theme.
DonasaurusRex
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The more I think about this movie, the more disappointed I am with the Lizard. Like more disappointed than Venom in 3.
Ever since Connors appeared in Spider-Man 2, I was looking forward to something like this in live action:
I can't believe how horribly they botched the design we got. It doesn't look scary or cool or interesting or good in any conceivable way. It just look stupid from every single angle.
i cant unsee this when i look at the lizard, even though he's huge after they cgi em up
they should've just given him a reptilian head/neck. Yes we all know he was humanoid looking in the earlier books, ...but the more lizard like style is pretty standard for the past...i dunno 25 or so years..or more.
He looked stupid talking as is. Might as well go all the way.
I think a longer, more lizard-like snout with a hissing, snake-like voice would've worked much better.
Connors went from "I want to use science to fix my arm" to "I want to use science to
turn everyone into lizards because they're better!"
transformation to lizard-men apparently being the answer to that
Good Job Bob
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So good, the new theme doesn't even come close.
nope
kunonabi
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The theme always sounds so generic to me. It almost sounds like something out of Hulk at times and it doesn't capture the spirit of the character at all. I still find the Harry Potter and Spider-Man themes to be fairly disappointing. I don't care for HP but Spider-Man deserved a theme on par with Superman and Batman's themes.
The Lizard design was a mess. Didn't the Lizard sort of hiss when he spoke in the comics? I don't see why they couldn't just do that with the snout.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Venom and Lizard were both horrible, while Sandman was only medicore. Sandman's story arc with his daughter, his transformation, and the way he was used so well during his first two Spidey fights put him well ahead of the other two. Venom is horribly memorable, while the Lizard was just plain, dull, and cheesy.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I give to nod to Venom over Lizard. At least his character has the excuse of being crammed into a movie with three villains and a director that didn't want him. What the hell is Lizard's excuse?
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I give to nod to Venom over Lizard. At least his character has the excuse of being crammed into a movie with three villains and a director that didn't want him. What the hell is Lizard's excuse?
Hell the whole accidental villain thing is what made lizard a standout from the rest of Spider-man's rouge gallery for me. He didn't want to lizard-fy half of New York, he didn't talk, his family got caught in the cross fire making him a real threat and he just wanted to eat you.
I feel like the movie really needed to lose an hour of the origin story bullshit and just jump into the action. Have 2 encounters with the lizard with the first being nobody knows who it is or where he came from and kicking Spidey's ass and killing Dr. Conner's wife and nearly killing the kid and the last fight after Peter finds out (too late) the Lizard is Dr Conner and has to cure him of his 'condition'. It adds a little to the Connor's pathos but keeps it simple for a summer flick. I think it fits perfectly for the Lizard who has always been a simple (but threatening) villain in my eyes since his only motivation was to eat. I really wish they saved the major death in the film for the sequel as well so it actually carried weight.
Neffarias_Bredd
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The scene actually wasn't as cringe worthy during my second viewing but it's still a horrible scene. And I totally agree with you, the score really only stands out during that scene, it feels almost separate from the rest of the movie it was so good
I like how it looks in the CG behind the scenes video, where it doesn't have texture and other effects applied. You can see the impressive work they did for the folds in the skin and stuff. The final result is... quite meh though.
This sounds almost like what happened when the Terminator Salvation rumors were leaking prior to release. Instead of getting a good movie (and angering vocal fans in the minority), we get a lot of cut content.
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