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Well, the movie theater where i was had people clapping at the end of the movie. I haven't heard that since star trek. Go figure.
This is gonna be another instance where I bring up...
So I work at a movie theater, and clapping at the end of the movie (usually no more than 10 or so people at most) is fairly common during the first week of a movie with a built in franchise. Hell, people even clapped at the end of Snow White on occasion.
The only movie that had people clapping WEEKS after it came out was Avatar and currently The Avengers.
 
I went to see Avengers on opening weekend and there wasnt a single clap. I saw it again this past weekend at a local dinner theater and several people clapped. Last time I heard people clap was probably Spider-Man 2 or LOTR:ROTK.

Some of you really consider Thor and Captain America to be mediocre? I dont think theyre anything special but I found both to be entertaining.
 
I went to see Avengers on opening weekend and there wasnt a single clap. I saw it again this past weekend at a local dinner theater and several people clapped. Last time I heard people clap was probably Spider-Man 2 or LOTR:ROTK.

Some of you really consider Thor and Captain America to be mediocre? I dont think theyre anything special but I found both to be entertaining.

This was surely way beyond mediocre. Action montage in a comic book movie....I couldn't stop rolling my eyes.
 
ASM in the same category as IMI2/Thor/CA makes no sense to me. Otherwise decent list.

I see your point. To be extremely detailish, I would like to split that category into:
Mediocre: Amazing Spiderman, Superman Returns
Decent: Captian America, Thor, Iron Man 2

:p

I heard people clap at the end of Avengers, Spiderman 2, Transformers 1 and 3, The Dark Knight, Harry Potter DH part 2

The last few months alone I have heard claps for The Hunger Games, The Muppets, The Avengers, and What to Expect When You're Expecting (seriously).
 
I see your point. To be extremely detailish, I would like to split that category into:
Mediocre: Amazing Spiderman, Superman Returns
Decent: Captian America, Thor, Iron Man 2

:p
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The last few months alone I have heard claps for The Hunger Games, The Muppets, The Avengers, and What to Expect When You're Expecting (seriously).
Hunger Games? Really? That ending was so anticlimactic, everyone was just like "errrr ok time to leave!". But I guess it has an insane fan following in some places so that could make sense.

But regardless, most people seemed to have enjoyed ASM.
 
So just remembered a detail I want to talk about in the film. After Spider-man saves the kid of the construction worker, he asks "Who are you?" And the response being a botched "I'm Spider-man". Anyone else wish this worked out differently?
 
The Amazing Spider-Man is the best superhero movie yet, yes I am biased.

Iron-Man, The Avengers, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and Spider-Man 1 just below.
 
I see your point. To be extremely detailish, I would like to split that category into:
Mediocre: Amazing Spiderman, Superman Returns
Decent: Captian America, Thor, Iron Man 2

:p



The last few months alone I have heard claps for The Hunger Games, The Muppets, The Avengers, and What to Expect When You're Expecting (seriously).

in no way are iron man 2 and CA better than ASM.
 
Hunger Games? Really? That ending was so anticlimactic, everyone was just like "errrr ok time to leave!"

Yeah, the ending to that movie left me wondering what the next two books in the series were going to be about. Because it's not like Harry Potter or Twilight where there is a sort of logical and even progression to the story. They aren't gonna compete in the Hunger Games again. The next book in the series must deal with much different and bigger problems and ideas, and the ending did nothing to really set that up.

That's why I liked the ending to Fincher's Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. As someone who hasn't read the books, it went on for a while past the resolution of the main plot in order to set up what will come in the next movie. Because again, it's not going to be a rehash or ordinary progression of the plot from the first one, so you can't really leave your viewers uncertain of what will come next.
 
i just watched the Avengers last night, am I the only one who thinks it's overrated as hell? it was honestly pretty boring. I thought TASM was a better flick.
 
in no way are iron man 2 and CA better than ASM.
Captain America was better than ASM. The first half of captain America was better than the whole of ASM.

i just watched the Avengers last night, am I the only one who thinks it's overrated as hell? it was honestly pretty boring. I thought TASM was a better flick.

Wow. My two friends and sister didn't think ASM was all that good and neither did I. /film cast review of the film makes it clear why I have issues with ASM. Avengers was a much better film. The story made more sense than ASM and the action was 1000 times better. Loki was a better villain than the Lizard

On a side note what was up with all those lizards in this movie?
 
i just watched the Avengers last night, am I the only one who thinks it's overrated as hell? it was honestly pretty boring. I thought TASM was a better flick.

There are words here, but this sentence makes no sense. I honestly don't understand how this opinion is possible. Hulk alone is so much more entertaining than anything in TASM.
 
There are words here, but this sentence makes no sense. I honestly don't understand how this opinion is possible. Hulk alone is so much more entertaining than anything in TASM.

Yeah I have to agree. The only good action scene in ASM was at the science high school. ASM did have the best Stan Lee cameo of all the marvel movies.
 
Captain America was better than ASM. The first half of captain America was better than the whole of ASM.
Got it backwards there.. the first 50 minutes of ASM was better than the entirety of CA.

i just watched the Avengers last night, am I the only one who thinks it's overrated as hell? it was honestly pretty boring. I thought TASM was a better flick.
Avengers is most certainly overrated, but that doesn't mean it isn't an awesome movie regardless. And I don't agree with the latter.
 
I thought Captain America was a blast. The montage isn't nearly as bad as a lot of folks make it out to be, so I won't let it ruin the movie for me.
Johnston and Evans delivered, I had a smile on my face the whole film.
 
i just watched the Avengers last night, am I the only one who thinks it's overrated as hell? it was honestly pretty boring. I thought TASM was a better flick.

Avengers is a decent action movie, but it has zero character development and zero story, it's just a bunch of large set pieces strung together with a very flimsy premise. I still liked it because of the scale, but honestly it's not a "great movie" like SM2 or TDK.
 
Avengers is a decent action movie, but it has zero character development and zero story, it's just a bunch of large set pieces strung together with a very flimsy premise. I still liked it because of the scale, but honestly it's not a "great movie" like The Amazing Spider-Man.

Corrected it a bit to my liking, besides that, I agree. :)

Oh, the central website for all cinemas in Denmark is doing a poll now, asking what the greatest Spider-Man movie is and so far the results are:

01. The Amazing Spider-Man (54%) but it's probably because it's new.
02. Spider-Man (31%)
03. Spider-Man 2 (9%)
04. Spider-Man 3 (7%)

My personal top list actually look like that as well. Spidey 3 were a mess, Spidey 2 were boring, Spidey 1 were fantastic and ASM were amazing - yet, I love all four Spider-Man movies.
 
Clapping very rarely happens here in the UK, only film I've ever seen it happen was the Dark Knight. Also hardly ever see people stay for post credits footage....

Edit: I said Dark Knight Rises by mistake.
 
Clapping very rarely happens here in the UK, only film I've ever seen it happen was the Dark Knight Rises. Also hardly ever see people stay for post credits footage....

The audience clapped at the end of the movie and during the school fight scene where I went to see it, before that I have seen an audience clap at the end of TDK and after ROTK. A few people clapped after Deathly Hallows 2, but most people didn't.
 
The audience clapped at the end of the movie and during the school fight scene where I went to see it, before that I have seen an audience clap at the end of TDK and after ROTK. A few people clapped after Deathly Hallows 2, but most people didn't.

I went to a midnight showing of Deathly Hallows pt 2 so by the time it finished no one had the energy to get up, let alone clap. Had work the next day as well, big mistake...

Back OT, still not seen ASM yet. My brother said he didn't like it but want to give it a chance, might go next week before I see TDKR.
 
i just watched the Avengers last night, am I the only one who thinks it's overrated as hell? it was honestly pretty boring. I thought TASM was a better flick.

I agree with this. The Avengers was good but way overrated with a pretty bad story and some ridiculous moments. Fun movie with some great character interaction but is definitely scored way to highly by many and sites like rottentomatoes. I'm pretty confident the sequel will end up being a better film.
 
I agree with this. The Avengers was good but way overrated with a pretty bad story and some ridiculous moments. Fun movie with some great character interaction but is definitely scored way to highly by many and sites like rottentomatoes. I'm pretty confident the sequel will end up being a better film.

I'm not at all surprised it has a high score on RottenTomatoes, given how their system works. I imagine most people would like it enough to give it a 2.5/4 or 3/5, which is all it takes to be considered a fresh rating.
 
I'm not at all surprised it has a high score on RottenTomatoes, given how their system works. I imagine most people would like it enough to give it a 2.5/4 or 3/5, which is all it takes to be considered a fresh rating.

It also has a average score of 8.1/10 though, which is a great score for an action film and negates your theory. And besides, i've noticed that there are plenty of 2.5/4 reviews for various films that are counted as rotten, despite the RT system. But i know what you mean, i've never understood why people who follow RT only look at the freshness meter instead of the average score, because the % only tells you how many people liked or disliked the film, but not how much they liked/disliked it. A film with 100% freshness could theoretically (highly unlikely, just making a point) still only have a 6.0/10 average.
 
I agree with this. The Avengers was good but way overrated with a pretty bad story and some ridiculous moments. Fun movie with some great character interaction but is definitely scored way to highly by many and sites like rottentomatoes. I'm pretty confident the sequel will end up being a better film.

What exactly was "bad" about the story? It seemed to serve its purpose, bringing together the world's mightiest heroes (that Marvel has the film rights to) and getting them to blow shit up. What more would you really want?
 
What exactly was "bad" about the story? It seemed to serve its purpose, bringing together the world's mightiest heroes (that Marvel has the film rights to) and getting them to blow shit up. What more would you really want?

Because apart from "getting them together" there's not a whole lot to care about. The "plot" in Avengers was okay because like you said it served its purpose, but that doesn't necessarily make it good. I warmed up to Avengers a little while after I saw it because it was just a harmless action flick that did precisely what it sat out to do, but it left me with little else.

Never in a million years would I say that it's even remotely as good as ASM. ASM had me gripped, I was into the characters, into the story, and thus into the action and emotional elements. Avengers' action was just kinda there, although well directed and structured, but I felt zero attachment to it. I'm not saying Avengers needs to be some emotional film with any kind of depth to it, but right there's my argument in the matter, by its nature it had nothing to it at all whereas Spider-man did.

And yes I get it that Avengers was basically this big sequel to several pre-existing superhero films, but I even found those to be pretty empty. I rewatched Thor the other day, and while I still enjoyed it, it just felt like some half-baked setup film, like okay there's Thor, you know who he is now yadda yadda now wait on The Avengers! I also felt that way about Captain America. Iron Man 1 was okay but Iron Man 2 was terrible. I didn't feel this way about ASM. It felt like its own entity, a complete, standalone film-- and much stronger because of it. I would say that about the Raimi films as well.

For me you have a bunch of entertaining but throwaway Avengers related films (including Avengers) but then the Spider-man movies (both old and new) and Nolan's Batman films are simply way ahead of them.
 
So just remembered a detail I want to talk about in the film. After Spider-man saves the kid of the construction worker, he asks "Who are you?" And the response being a botched "I'm Spider-man". Anyone else wish this worked out differently?

I thought this scene was perfect. He was emotional because he just came to the realization that his abilities should be used for more that his own selfish interests and that he has a bigger purpose. He finally "gets it" in this scene. If his mask wasn't on it probably would have translated better for people who don't pick up on subtlety very well.
 
Did anyone else have trouble understanding Dr Conner's assistant/boss/person? I'm not sure if there was a sound problem in my cinema or it was his accent, but all I got out of their dialogue was "something something someone is dying, something something peter's father, something something nursing home". -_-
 
So just remembered a detail I want to talk about in the film. After Spider-man saves the kid of the construction worker, he asks "Who are you?" And the response being a botched "I'm Spider-man". Anyone else wish this worked out differently?

Yeah, I thought that was pretty terrible. Not to bring up more comparisons to Tobey, but it definitely lacked any of the oomph of the first movie's "I'm Spider-Man."

I didn't feel this way about ASM. It felt like its own entity, a complete, standalone film-- and much stronger because of it. I would say that about the Raimi films as well.

I think ASM has too many loose/dropped plot threads to really feel like a standalone story. There was so much sequel baiting, it's kind of hard to believe that people who had problems with Avengers allusions in the Marvel Studios movies could be fine with this.
 
I think ASM has too many loose/dropped plot threads to really feel like a standalone story. There was so much sequel baiting, it's kind of hard to believe that people who had problems with Avengers allusions in the Marvel Studios movies could be fine with this.

It set up things for its own story. Not connected to something else. That's why I don't have a problem with it, and more over, even despite that it still felt like more of a complete movie to me. I'm not as obsessive over what they dropped or what they didn't as you guys are, it's just not a thing to me as I felt Peter Parker still had a great story and introduction here.

This movie wasn't really completely about his parents, that was just one aspect of his character arc. His search into the mystery is what led to him becoming Spider-man. Therefore I didn't feel like the stuff they cut or whatever hurt the story at all. And that stuff will come later I'm sure. It wasn't cut because of sequels or whatever, the sequels were going to happen regardless of what they dropped here.

But I suppose the real answer you're looking for is that I'm okay with it here because I thought this was a legitimately great film. The Marvel Studios movies? Not so much. The fact that they were set ups to Avengers is the least of the problems I have with them.
 
Yeah, I thought that was pretty terrible. Not to bring up more comparisons to Tobey, but it definitely lacked any of the oomph of the first movie's "I'm Spider-Man."

That's something I really liked in the first Spider-Man. The wrestling scene with Bruce Campbell, I mean. It's always goofy in these movies when a character comes up with their own name like "Batman" or "Spiderman." Calling himself the Human Spider and having the announcer change it to Spider-Man somehow made sense. Also how in Iron Man, Tony isn't the one to call himself Iron Man; it's what the press calls him.

In all the Batman movies (even Begins) and Amazing Spider-Man, the hero creates the name on the spot.
 
Because apart from "getting them together" there's not a whole lot to care about. The "plot" in Avengers was okay because like you said it served its purpose, but that doesn't necessarily make it good. I warmed up to Avengers a little while after I saw it because it was just a harmless action flick that did precisely what it sat out to do, but it left me with little else.

Never in a million years would I say that it's even remotely as good as ASM. ASM had me gripped, I was into the characters, into the story, and thus into the action and emotional elements. Avengers' action was just kinda there, although well directed and structured, but I felt zero attachment to it. I'm not saying Avengers needs to be some emotional film with any kind of depth to it, but right there's my argument in the matter, by its nature it had nothing to it at all whereas Spider-man did.

And yes I get it that Avengers was basically this big sequel to several pre-existing superhero films, but I even found those to be pretty empty. I rewatched Thor the other day, and while I still enjoyed it, it just felt like some half-baked setup film, like okay there's Thor, you know who he is now yadda yadda now wait on The Avengers! I also felt that way about Captain America. Iron Man 1 was okay but Iron Man 2 was terrible. I didn't feel this way about ASM. It felt like its own entity, a complete, standalone film-- and much stronger because of it. I would say that about the Raimi films as well.

For me you have a bunch of entertaining but throwaway Avengers related films (including Avengers) but then the Spider-man movies (both old and new) and Nolan's Batman films are simply way ahead of them.

That's all fair. I guess I reserve the term "bad" for a plot that is truly poor. That is difficult to impossible to comprehend. That at no point leaves me yearning to know what will happen next. Avengers is, as I described it, simply a sufficient plot, that sets up everything that I came to the theater to see, mainly quips from Tony Stark, and Hulk smashing.

I would say I probably felt more for ASM's characters, but its plot is a lot closer to what I would consider bad, given the numerous dropped story elements. It's a decent enough movie, and I enjoyed it, but the dangling plot threads left me feeling a little unfulfilled.
 
It set up things for its own story. Not connected to something else. That's why I don't have a problem with it, and more over, even despite that it still felt like more of a complete movie to me. I'm not as obsessive over what they dropped or what they didn't as you guys are, it's just not a thing to me as I felt Peter Parker still had a great story and introduction here.

But what's the difference? What makes "Thor and Captain America will return in The Avengers" more of an offense than "Find out more about Peter Parker's parents...next time!"? I'd argue that Spider-Man's case is more of an issue, because Thor and Cap resolved their stories; it was the characters that were being carried over into The Avengers, not any kind of subplot. ASM on the other hand has one or two fairly important subplots that are completely left hanging for the next movie to (presumably) pick up on. That's the opposite of being a standalone complete story.
 
That's all fair. I guess I reserve the term "bad" for a plot that is truly poor. That is difficult to impossible to comprehend. That at no point leaves me yearning to know what will happen next. Avengers is, as I described it, simply a sufficient plot, that sets up everything that I came to the theater to see, mainly quips from Tony Stark, and Hulk smashing.

I would say I probably felt more for ASM's characters, but its plot is a lot closer to what I would consider bad, given the numerous dropped story elements. It's a decent enough movie, and I enjoyed it, but the dangling plot threads left me feeling a little unfulfilled.

Sure. Like I said above there were dangling plot threads like his parents, but really what else is there? This movie was about him becoming Spider-man. Everything going on in the story is related to that. There were some subplot elements that clearly aren't resolved, but mainly just the parents thing. I wouldn't say that the core storyline here was unfulfilled at all.

But what's the difference? What makes "Thor and Captain America will return in The Avengers" more of an offense than "Find out more about Peter Parker's parents...next time!"? I'd argue that Spider-Man's case is more of an issue, because Thor and Cap resolved their stories; it was the characters that were being carried over into The Avengers, not any kind of subplot. ASM on the other hand has one or two fairly important subplots that are completely left hanging for the next movie to (presumably) pick up on. That's the opposite of being a standalone complete story.

I disagree. I wasn't watching ASM because of his parents. That was just one aspect of it to me that I will find out more about later. And when I say that it felt standalone to me, I mean that, okay for example Thor-- Thor had its own mythology going and so much to explore there-- but it didn't get to because it was all about introducing Thor for The Avengers. And when The Avengers came out, none of the characters really got any development or additional mythology. Amazing Spider-man does set up for the sequel, yes-- but for the sequel to Spider-man. Not for something greater that will just have him in it without further development.
 
But what's the difference? What makes "Thor and Captain America will return in The Avengers" more of an offense than "Find out more about Peter Parker's parents...next time!"? I'd argue that Spider-Man's case is more of an issue, because Thor and Cap resolved their stories; it was the characters that were being carried over into The Avengers, not any kind of subplot. ASM on the other hand has one or two fairly important subplots that are completely left hanging for the next movie to (presumably) pick up on. That's the opposite of being a standalone complete story.

Agreed. I can live with several unresolved storylines, but FFS, the Parents-storyline was a major part of the promotioncampaign, plus it opens the fucking movie, never to return again, apart from a few lines and a shot of a newsclipping.
 
Sure. Like I said above there were dangling plot threads like his parents, but really what else is there? This movie was about him becoming Spider-man. Everything going on in the story is related to that. There were some subplot elements that clearly aren't resolved, but mainly just the parents thing. I wouldn't say that the core storyline here was unfulfilled at all.

What the hell happened to the guy on the bridge? It was sitting in the back of my head the entire movie. Especially since he still had a vial of the Lizard goo.

It also rubbed me the wrong way that there was no resolution to the Uncle Ben's killer plot, but the film at least acknowledges that it is unresolved (much like the parents), as opposed to just completely dropping it like the Oscorp guy on the bridge.

Again, I don't think ASM's plot is bad. It's just closer to what I would consider bad.
 
Agreed. I can live with several unresolved storylines, but FFS, the Parents-storyline was a major part of the promotioncampaign, plus it opens the fucking movie, never to return again, apart from a few lines and a shot of a newsclipping.

It led to the investigation that gets Peter bitten by the spider. Everything that happens in the movie is related to his father. And really, I mean to me it just seemed obvious that Richard was working on something and his shit got stolen, and they became fearful of the other party that was after his work, so they went into hiding.

Then Peter grew up, became wound up in what happened to them which led him to OSCORP and his fateful spider-bite. I'm sure in the sequel we'll learn some exact details of what went down-- maybe-- but I don't feel like it made this movie feel incomplete just because they didn't go into exact detailing of what happened to them.

His dad's research got stolen and fearing for the family and their son, they dropped him off at auntie and uncle's house and got the fuck out of dodge. I do think the marketing is a bit misleading, I won't argue there, but this definitely did not make it feel incomplete at all to me.
 
I would classify those movies as horrible. For me it is like:

God Awful: Street Fighter Chun Li, Dragonball
Horrible: Transformers, Ghost Rider
Bad: Spider-Man 3, Incredible Hulk
Mediocre: Amazing Spider-Man, Superman Returns, Captain America, Thor, Iron Man 2
Good: Iron Man, Spider-Man, Batman Begins
Great: Avengers, Spiderman 2, The Dark Knight
Amazing: Rocky, Seven Samurai, etc.

I tried to keep the scale as action/superhero as possible for comparison sake (I have seen no superhero movie that has broke into my amazing category).

I swear I'm the only person who genuinely enjoyed Incredible Hulk.
 
Saw this yesterday & it is easily the best Spiderman film(not particularly hard,I know), if the pacing was tighter & it had a better villain it would have been a great comic book film.
I assume Gwen will die at the end of the next film if there is one, as surely the GG will be the next villain

What the hell happened to the guy on the bridge? It was sitting in the back of my head the entire movie. Especially since he still had a vial of the Lizard goo.

He probably took the "goo" to another Oscorp lab so they can try to save Norman Osborn. it wasn't really necessary for him to show up in this film again.
 
I swear I'm the only person who genuinely enjoyed Incredible Hulk.

No you're not. We may not be visible, but we are legion.

Saw this yesterday & it is easily the best Spiderman film(not particularly hard,I know), if the pacing was tighter & it had a better villain it would have been a great comic book film.
I assume Gwen will die at the end of the next film if there is one, as surely the GG will be the next villain

it's already confirmed there will be a ASM2 and ASM3 IIRC.
 
Action: spider man 1
story: spider man 1
Comedy: spider man 1
Actors: tasm
On screen chemistry : tasm
Cgi: tasm
Wow moments: spider man 1
Which movie made me wish was a super hero? : spider man 1
 
Saw this yesterday & it is easily the best Spiderman film(not particularly hard,I know), if the pacing was tighter & it had a better villain it would have been a great comic book film.
I assume Gwen will die at the end of the next film if there is one, as surely the GG will be the next villain



He probably took the "goo" to another Oscorp lab so they can try to save Norman Osborn. it wasn't really necessary for him to show up in this film again.

You think? His threat of moving forward with human experiments and firing (and possibly killing) Connors is a driving force for Connors' heel turn. If his threat to conduct human experiments and off Connors like he insinuates Oscrop offed the Parkers is no longer legitimate, don't you think it should be mentioned?
 
I disagree. I wasn't watching ASM because of his parents. That was just one aspect of it to me that I will find out more about later.

No, I agree, I wasn't watching ASM solely for the parents' story either. And I don't even have that much of a problem with it being saved for sequels or whatever. I'm just saying it's kind of a double-standard to criticize the Marvel Studios movies for sequel baiting but give ASM a pass, even though the former wrapped up their own individual stories and ASM certainly didn't.

And when I say that it felt standalone to me, I mean that, okay for example Thor-- Thor had its own mythology going and so much to explore there-- but it didn't get to because it was all about introducing Thor for The Avengers.

I don't really get this either. Thor wasn't about introducing Thor for the Avengers, it was about introducing Thor period. Same with Cap and Iron Man 1. The only things in those movies that even directly allude to the Avengers are only in after the credits anyway.

As far as Avengers comparisons go, I agree with you that ASM has more of an emotional arc to it (obviously), but I don't think any of its character beats hit as hard or feel as genuine as those in Avengers. And while Avengers tells a much much simpler story (albeit with far more characters) it executes it superbly, while ASM fumbles its story at almost every possible turn.

Oh well! I actually did like ASM, even though a lot of my posts here makes it seem like I didn't. :lol I was really just disappointed in it more than anything else. Like I said earlier, Garfield, Stone, and Sheen were all pretty great; everything else was varying degrees of weak.
 
It also has a average score of 8.1/10 though, which is a great score for an action film and negates your theory. And besides, i've noticed that there are plenty of 2.5/4 reviews for various films that are counted as rotten, despite the RT system. But i know what you mean, i've never understood why people who follow RT only look at the freshness meter instead of the average score, because the % only tells you how many people liked or disliked the film, but not how much they liked/disliked it. A film with 100% freshness could theoretically (highly unlikely, just making a point) still only have a 6.0/10 average.

Negates my theory? What I meant was I'd expect they'd give it at least that score, which is obviously what happened, since it has a 93%. That overall they seemed to give it a much better score is just a bonus. I wasn't trying to be negative on the film, if that's what you took from my comment.

But yeah, it's funny to see people rag on a movie that has, say, a 50% rating. That's considered rotten, but half of the critics still liked the movie.
 
I'll just add my 2 cents to this and say I thought Spiderman was better than the Avengers also. But i am deeply bias as 1. I HATE the idea of mashing super heros together, it completely deprives there uniqueness. 2. I hate the different rule sets everything follows. Iron Man and Thor in the same universe? No thanks. 3. I thought avengers lacked any soul or real danger to it, the story was just forced to put them all in the same place and it showed time after time, it never flowed well or felt like anything more than a fluff film. And the "flying fortress" was probably one of the most stupid things I've ever seen in film. terribly realized, terrible concept, terrible in execution.

Spiderman actually felt like it had some heart and real characters. Neither belong on any sort of "great" film level, but I will watch Spiderman several more times and continue to enjoy it, but 1 time was enough for the avengers, no interest in seeing it again, no interest in seeing a sequel, and my interest in all the properties involved went down substantially.
 
You think? His threat of moving forward with human experiments and firing (and possibly killing) Connors is a driving force for Connors' heel turn. If his threat to conduct human experiments and off Connors like he insinuates Oscrop offed the Parkers is no longer legitimate, don't you think it should be mentioned?

It wasn't really his threat though, he was "merely" an Oscorp employee. Once he had the fruit of Connors research, Connors was no longer important to him(as he made it pretty clear that unless he could save Osborn he himself would be killed) & therefore he was no longer part of that plotline. Also I disagree with your opinion on Connors motivations for injecting himself, I think it was more to do with him getting so close to having a new arm( & it seems pretty clear that the "Lizard DNA" was what caused Connors to go "evil").
 
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