In terms of action, I think it comes down to quality vs quantity, so not everyone will agree on that point. Though I do think SM1 had 'better' action because of the sheer amount of it in comparison to ASM.
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It seemed pretty clear that the threat that he would no longer have access to anything in Oscorp (because he was fired), pushed him to take a chance and use the goo on himself. But he wasn't fired, because the guy who was firing him...? Who knows? His whereabouts really should have been explained.
i agree. i think sony is saving him for the next film maybe.
Cerebral Assassin
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He had what he needed from Connors, & it would have been obvious to him that the goo wasn't the finished article, so he would have been more concerned with getting a more suitable "cure" for Osborn ( or do you think someone whose life is at stake would waste time being vindictive over trying to save his life?).
Now it could be argued that he perhaps should have looked for Peter Parker(as he knew Peter was helping Connors), but I'm sure that will be dealt with in a sequel (unless they star off with a cured Osborn).
That seems like a fair amount of assumption on your part. Would it have been obvious to him that the goo still needed to be finished? Connors insisted that it wasn't ready for human testing, and he insisted it was. It seems safe to say that he had no clue one way or the other.
And I'd agree with you that someone who is racing against time to save his boss's life wouldn't have time to waste being vindictive...but he explicitly states that he plans on being vindictive. And that threat pretty much drives the films's villain to become the Lizard. At the end of the day, we should know what happened to the guy, since his actions set the entire movie's plot in action.
ASM doesn't come close to punching at the same weight of The Avengers. I honestly don't know how someone can be bored with The Avengers, yet find ASM entertaining. Avengers knew what exactly it was, and pulled it off fantastically. ASM, while a solid movie IMO, had unresolved storylines (the parents, mostly) that felt like Sony was pushing too hard for a sequel, some forced story arcs (Gwen, an HS teenager, having full access to the lab), a pretty lame villain (dat face, ugh), and overall was just a reboot that I don't believe needed to happen.
For me, The Avengers and TDK are "perfect" comic book movies, just on opposite sides (fantasy vs realism) of the spectrum. I walked out the theater wanting to watch both again immediately. I'll watch ASM one more time (via Netflix), and that's about it.
That is the entire point of The Avengers, both in MCU and the comics.
Cerebral Assassin
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I would think a giant Lizard attacking him may have tipped him off that the goo wasn't ready to be used, don't you?
Peter Parker set the entire movies plot in action (without him there is no goo as Connors admitted he could not replicate the decay equation), you are giving a minor character way too much importance in the film( he was just a Oscorp skivvy, a fairly high ranking one admittedly but not one that needed any closure).
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I thought you were implying that it only has a high percentage due to a relatively low bar for freshness, but that the actual scores weren't very good. Sorry if i got that wrong.
She was sponsored by Connors, a nice guy who can easly count on the commissioner's daughter.
And I don't really think she had acces to full the lab.
I couldnt understand him either, he was saying some very important shit too and I could barely make it out.
yes it was. It seems a lot of people here are excusing this film by just "assuming" this and that.
^He DID show up again, for a big scene in the sewers, but it was all cut out. He probably got murdered by the Lizard right in front of Peter, too. There was probably too much dialog in that scene about his parents (since that's where all the clips in the trailers come from) and they had to remove it. Lame as fuck if you ask me, and I doubt it'll be one of the deleted scenes they put on the DVD since it reveals too much about the alternate story.
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Saw this today. Found it an absolute bore. It was a retread of the first film but with less humor. That said I can see the potential in the sequel now that all of the origin crap is out of the way.
Saw it today, enjoyed it enough. I thought it was good, entertaining, etc. I wouldn't call it amazing or anything, but it was well made and I'd watch a sequel with the same cast/crew.
It was definitely too briskly paced in the first half (he's at Oscorp-he's got powers-Uncle Ben's dead-he's Spider-Man-The Lizard is born-etc), but the cast was good, the acting, special effects, "look" of the film, that was all well made. Spider-Man himself felt a lot closer to the comic's Spider-Man with his quips and ultra agile fighting that really used all of his abilities to their fullest (whereas the Maguire Spider-Man tended to swing and punch and not too much beyond). They seem to have made a longer film than the actual end runtime, that's all.
Garfield wasn't a "nerd" in the Hollywood sense, but in his character you can understand exactly why he was a social outcast at the film's beginning, much more so than Maguire's "nerds wear glasses and are picked on by jocks standard". He felt like a realistic character that I might meet in a high school today.
I was never very hyped about this, so it's an enjoyable blockbuster, and I have no major problems with it, even if I have no major loves with it either. It's a solid, good film, that's all. It's better than the first Spider-Man film, anyway.
It was definitely too briskly paced in the first half (he's at Oscorp-he's got powers-Uncle Ben's dead-he's Spider-Man-The Lizard is born-etc), but the cast was good, the acting, special effects, "look" of the film, that was all well made. Spider-Man himself felt a lot closer to the comic's Spider-Man with his quips and ultra agile fighting that really used all of his abilities to their fullest (whereas the Maguire Spider-Man tended to swing and punch and not too much beyond). They seem to have made a longer film than the actual end runtime, that's all.
Garfield wasn't a "nerd" in the Hollywood sense, but in his character you can understand exactly why he was a social outcast at the film's beginning, much more so than Maguire's "nerds wear glasses and are picked on by jocks standard". He felt like a realistic character that I might meet in a high school today.
I was never very hyped about this, so it's an enjoyable blockbuster, and I have no major problems with it, even if I have no major loves with it either. It's a solid, good film, that's all. It's better than the first Spider-Man film, anyway.
I watched this today and felt the same as well. The two main stars had nice chemistry. I hope Gwen is here to stay. For all we know, they might not even introduce MJ. What happen with Peter's father? I couldn't hear what the scientist said to his employer?
I didn't really like how there was hardly any build up for Gwen. I felt like we knew a lot about MJ in just the first movie.
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Its not just me. Going back for a second screening tonight, so hopefully I'll pick more up.If you mean the end credits scene, there was someone from Oscorp asking Connors if he'd told Peter the truth (whatever it may be) about his father, and Connors yelling to leave Peter alone. Earlier in the film it seemed to me like the Oscorp fellow was implying to Dr. Connors that Peter's father may have been murdered by Oscorp for refusing to help/comply with them, which intimidated Connors into using the serum out of desperation, but it was a little vague (intentionally I assume).
Even if he didn't get as much development as he probably should have (and I don't really like the flat face on the Lizard; even if it's the original Ditko design, on more practical for the actor's motion capture facial expressions, I like the long snout of the newer Lizard), I liked Connors in the film. I had been concerned he'd be an evil scientist type in the film but he felt sympathetic to me, especially given that once he was cured of the Lizard persona he saved Peter from falling and was distraught that he'd killed Captain Stacy. I got tired of them killing off the villains of the previous Spider-Man films at their climaxes so I'm glad they kept him alive in this film.
I haven't a clue what villain they should go with in a sequel. While they should avoid repeating villains, I think the Green Goblin is inevitable given that Norman Osborn is a character to be introduced and he's Spider-Man's greatest foe, and that Venom probably deserves a better film portrayal. Doc Ock shouldn't be revisited,, obviously he was done excellently in the last trilogy, but you only have so many Spidey villains (though he has a great rogues gallery, one of the best) that can carry a film. Plenty can carry an issue of a comic, but a two hour film, not as much, especially given that a sequel will not have the origin story to fall back on, they have to carry the whole film.
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I think the Vulture was somehow connected to Peter's parents in the comics or something, but I can't imagine them pulling that character off at all. Mysterio would be a good one though
Even in The Spectacular Spider-Man, which uses villains in a fanastic way, the Vulture is a henchman to Doc Ock after his first appearance. He's just not versatile enough to carry a film, he might be a smart/connected character but you can't get past the fact that as a physical villain all he can do normally is fly about on his wings. It's fine for one comic issue or a TV episode but not a whole movie.
Mysterio hasn't been done before and is a cool (if comical) villain, he might work. They absolutely must avoid Spider-Man 3's "too many villains" problem and stick to one only, though.
Just saw it again tonight. Still thought it was great. Dat Garfield and Stone.
I love Elfman's score, Horner's is pretty good too. More subtle than Elfman's more loud and traditional "hero" theme. I really enjoy the main theme. The end credits version is pretty awesome.
I love Elfman's score, Horner's is pretty good too. More subtle than Elfman's more loud and traditional "hero" theme. I really enjoy the main theme. The end credits version is pretty awesome.
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Saw this movie tonight in Kinshicho's Toho Cinema. I thought it was very, very bad. Outside of the Evil Dead trilogy, I'm not the most adamant Sam Raimi fan, but his movies were much better than this. The real flaw wasn't the acting in this movie, but the script. Peter Parker's character this movie was horribly unlikable and inhuman. Flash Thompson's character seemed to gain more humanity than Peter did. Additionally, the way The Lizard discovers Spider-Man's identity may be the most laughable result of bad screen writing I've seen in a while. I give this movie 1/5 I'm afraid.
Yes, Sam Raimi's movies are cheese. So what? They're fun and are at least believable for the universe they exist in. This wasn't.
Yes, Sam Raimi's movies are cheese. So what? They're fun and are at least believable for the universe they exist in. This wasn't.
Christopher
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No one will beat Aunt May from the Rami trilogy either...that role was solid.
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Understandably so, but Sally Field was and always will be so cute.
This wasn't the result of bad acting, but bad writing. Her scenes and dialogue with Peter are extremely limited and, I'm tempted to say, might as well not even be in the movie.
I might actually extend this opinion toward the entire script: It sucked. Possibly some of the worst screen writing I've seen in a long time.
I watched it yesterday and it was really joyless and long, even the relationship aspect; which was the thing I expected Webb to get right its basically some fake teenagers from the 90s (seriously, the skateboard and everything?) mumbling like Shia Labeouf. Oh yeah, Sally Field still cant act for shit.
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This was probably the first movie since the Second Coming of Marvel where I hadn't given the movie any thought after I saw it.
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How much do NYPD Police chief make anyway? I know it's a solid amount, but I'm still unable to accept Gwen's parents being able to afford that nice-ass apartment in New York.
Christopher
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Depending on how long they've been there, but I would say it's without a doubt not out of the question. I'm not sure but I know it's a lot, beat cops with OT can cross over 100,000 after they reach Top Pay.
Why couldn't Gwen's mother have a high paying job?
demosthenes
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Women don't work in Attackthebase's world.
AdventureRacing
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After reading peoples responses about the movie i was expecting not to enjoy it but i was pleasantly surprised. Probably my biggest complaint was that it felt like it was a little rushed.
I have a few other minor complaints (like the whole thing with the cranes) but it was very good imo.
I have a few other minor complaints (like the whole thing with the cranes) but it was very good imo.
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Finally saw it this morning... I enjoyed it for the most part, but one of the really annoying things was that the Oscorp building kept moving geographic locations during the movie. Nearly every time it was seen, the building was at a slightly different location around the city. 99.9999% of people wouldn't notice anything, but I live and work in NYC and I found it to be so annoying.
Sometimes it was shown on 6th avenue, then it was more near the Empire State Building, other times it was RIGHT on top of Grand Central Station, other times it was near Times Square and the Bank of America building... In one panoramic view of the city, the building was flat out missing.
It became a bit of a game for me while watching the movie. You'd think they'd make sure it was in one place.
IMDB says "While we're never given the actual address of the OSCORP Tower, it changes places throughout the film. First, it's shown being near Times Square. Later, in an overhead shot, it replaces the MetLife Building. Near the end, on a computer graphic, it shows it's location to be in the lower end of Manhattan, near the Financial District."
Sometimes it was shown on 6th avenue, then it was more near the Empire State Building, other times it was RIGHT on top of Grand Central Station, other times it was near Times Square and the Bank of America building... In one panoramic view of the city, the building was flat out missing.
It became a bit of a game for me while watching the movie. You'd think they'd make sure it was in one place.
IMDB says "While we're never given the actual address of the OSCORP Tower, it changes places throughout the film. First, it's shown being near Times Square. Later, in an overhead shot, it replaces the MetLife Building. Near the end, on a computer graphic, it shows it's location to be in the lower end of Manhattan, near the Financial District."
I liked it probably more than Spiderman 1 just because the leads were so good, but definitely had some issues with it.
- Peter & Gwen in HS through the whole movie. Made no sense. Not sure how Gwen gets to be a bigshot at Oscorp with access to everything at 17. This would have been much better if they both were in college.
- Peter waltzes right in to Oscorp and picks up an ID card from security that gives him access to nearly the whole building without proving who he actually is.
- Aunt May being really stupid
- Peter does all this weird, physics-defying stuff, breaks doors and windows easily, does a NBA Jam dunk, breaks a goalpost, gets super strength after being averageish and nobody seems to care or notice.
- Spider leaves his real name on his camera.
- Apparently there are no teachers/coaches at all in the school outside of class.
- Spiderman taking off his mask every 2 seconds and swinging around unmasked
- Crane operators magically can get to their cranes across a being-evacuated NYC at night before Spiderman can.
- The whole setup for Uncle Ben's murder was ridiclous even if the aftermath was well-executed.
- Peter & Gwen in HS through the whole movie. Made no sense. Not sure how Gwen gets to be a bigshot at Oscorp with access to everything at 17. This would have been much better if they both were in college.
- Peter waltzes right in to Oscorp and picks up an ID card from security that gives him access to nearly the whole building without proving who he actually is.
- Aunt May being really stupid
- Peter does all this weird, physics-defying stuff, breaks doors and windows easily, does a NBA Jam dunk, breaks a goalpost, gets super strength after being averageish and nobody seems to care or notice.
- Spider leaves his real name on his camera.
- Apparently there are no teachers/coaches at all in the school outside of class.
- Spiderman taking off his mask every 2 seconds and swinging around unmasked
- Crane operators magically can get to their cranes across a being-evacuated NYC at night before Spiderman can.
- The whole setup for Uncle Ben's murder was ridiclous even if the aftermath was well-executed.
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ok, so I got to watch it yesterday. I went in blind. I liked it overall, but there were many issues with it. I think in order for the audience to be lead to the thearters for a reboot of a series that had its last version just a few years ago it had to be great, and this wasn`t.
The main characters gave good performances, but I felt the movie lacked a lot. It felt to me like there were scenes or even lines missing in the logic of the film. The villain felt weak. There were some issues with the pacing. Some thing felt like they went on for too long while others felt rushed.
Sheen and Sally Field were distracting. I feel they were miscast. The parent plot could have benn told differently or removed all together.
OT Emma is increadibly beautiful as well as Garfield.
The main characters gave good performances, but I felt the movie lacked a lot. It felt to me like there were scenes or even lines missing in the logic of the film. The villain felt weak. There were some issues with the pacing. Some thing felt like they went on for too long while others felt rushed.
Sheen and Sally Field were distracting. I feel they were miscast. The parent plot could have benn told differently or removed all together.
OT Emma is increadibly beautiful as well as Garfield.
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I liked the film a lot, but I'd probably like it so much more if the Raimi trilogy never came out.
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Can you elaborate on Sheen and Field being miscast? I thought Sheen nailed it and would like to know where you thought he went wrong
shanshan310
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Same here, I really liked the both of them.
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Big name celebrities cast for roles for the sole reason they are big name celebrities.
Ben & May were perfectly cast in SM1 as an old, likeable & relatable couple. In ASM when I see them, I think "hey it's Martin Sheen & Sally Fields!"
Charles Foster Kane
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Exactly. I could not shake off my mind the thought they were Sheen and Fields! never thought they were Ben and may for once either.
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Honestly, he was fine. He is a great actor. it`s just like it was said before, he was the big name celebrity. I just found him distracting. As See You Next Wednesday said, the casting of aunt May and Uncle Ben in SM1 was perfect (specially May). Those roles did not need such big names.
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It's essentially Connors in a cell being visited by a shadowy figure. It's intentionally vague as to who that man is, but some people assume it's Norman Osborn. Others have said it was Mysterio or even Electro, but there's no solid facts to support anything beyond Connors.
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You know, I saw this movie earlier and it was alright, but...
STOP. REMOVING. THE GODDAMNED MASK.
Seriously, who doesn't know that Peter Parker = Spider-Man now?
And he should have kept his promise to Captain Stacy. Now... well, you know.
Also, that genetic tampering bullshit better not be in the sequel.
That's about it.
STOP. REMOVING. THE GODDAMNED MASK.
Seriously, who doesn't know that Peter Parker = Spider-Man now?
And he should have kept his promise to Captain Stacy. Now... well, you know.
Also, that genetic tampering bullshit better not be in the sequel.
That's about it.
Charles Foster Kane
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This 1000 times. it`s like he didn`t care at all lol. Also people in the film would have to be pretty stupid to not know he was spiderman. When he threw the ball and bent the pole it was pretty telling (considering spideman was pretty famous at that point in the film). Anyone with a brain would have known it was him or that he at least had super powers.
No one will know. Look how long Superman went without getting his identity revealed and he didn't wear a mask.
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