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No Love

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Jags superchargers are Eaton roots-type. :D

Delicious torque and make a perfect pairing with that 5.0 V8. Power delivery is linear but hair-raising.

Compare that to the twin-turbos of my brother's M6, power is extremely jumpy and peaky and it's hard to make the car feel graceful. It's fast as fuck, virtually no lag, but feels like some refinement is missing in how that power is put down. Having driven 500HP+ machines with SCs and TCs, my vote will always be superchargers.

That and they're far more reliable mechanically, easier and cheaper to fix.

Except that too much low end torque means you get wheelspin, and losing traction doesn't make you fast, whereas with a turbo you can limit low end torque if it spools fast and avoid problems that the Roots superchargers create.

Also, with a turbo you can adjust the boost curve using a 3 port boost controller, so you can avoid torque spikes etc. I can change the boost curve to anything the turbo can support. I can create huge torque spikes, make it perfectly smooth, hold more boost up top etc. BMW is retarded when it comes to doing turbo cars, so I wouldn't use them as an apt comparison.

For example, here's a stock 2013 GTR dyno:

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It's at 3K RPM so most likely it's not spooled as fast as it could be, but see how smooth the torque band is? And that's a stock tune, aftermarket can be made even better.

Here's a stroked Evo powerband, you can see how the boost/torque curve is perfectly smoothed out:

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Can't do that with a Roots blower, unfortunately.

I will say though that I fucking love Roots blowers though. The low end torque generated on a V8 is awesome. Positive displacement blowers truly live up to their name.

But turbos dominate overall for making insane power and being configurable for what kind of powerband you desire.
 

No Love

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When your power peak is 4000, why rev higher?

Because you want to fall back into the meat of your powerband after every shift. And high revving motors overall have better powerbands and can be mated with better, more aggressive gearing.

See: GTR, Evo, Z06, S2000, E46/E92 M3. High revving motors mixed with proper, short gear ratios.
 
Go to Cars Direct. Get the local best price. Call ahead. SPEAK TO THE MANAGER, NOT A SALES REP. Confirm a price before you arrive.

Everything else is a risky nightmare.


Sorry cardealer gaf, you are scum. Don't even attempt to defend yourselves. It's 100% universal across the board rule.

Got all that sorted out weeks ago. Wouldn't be doing loan stuff if I didn't already 'weaken the armor' xD
 
Alright I hope I get a response.

I have a 98 Eldorado with the stock Bose radio. I would like to be able to hook my phone into it via auxiliary but it doesn't have an input. Is there a way to install an auxiliary port or adapter into the radio?
 

No Love

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Alright I hope I get a response.

I have a 98 Eldorado with the stock Bose radio. I would like to be able to hook my phone into it via auxiliary but it doesn't have an input. Is there a way to install an auxiliary port or adapter into the radio?

Back of stock radio might have a 3.5mm/aux port.

If not, just buy aftermarket stereo head unit + wiring harness, install it, and you're good to go.
 
Back of stock radio might have a 3.5mm/aux port.

If not, just buy aftermarket stereo head unit + wiring harness, install it, and you're good to go.

Apparently installing a new head unit requires a shit ton of rewiring and stuff and would end up being really expensive so I'm stuck with the stock radio. Any way to find out about an aux port without removing the radio?

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Here's the back. Is that hole on the left an aux port? Doesn't appear to be /:
 

Stinkles

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Apparently installing a new head unit requires a shit ton of rewiring and stuff and would end up being really expensive so I'm stuck with the stock radio. Any way to find out about an aux port without removing the radio?

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Here's the back. Is that hole on the left an aux port? Doesn't appear to be /:

Actually it could be a quarter inch jack. In which case it would be trivial to run an adapter to the front of the head unit. Ypou could literally plug this in and have it dangle out of the front:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0010CX798/?tag=neogaf0e-20

However, even if that IS what that port is, without an AUX button on your head unit, you might be screwed.
 
Actually it could be a quarter inch jack. In which case it would be trivial to run an adapter to the front of the head unit. Ypou could literally plug this in and have it dangle out of the front:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0010CX798/?tag=neogaf0e-20

However, even if that IS what that port is, without an AUX button on your head unit, you might be screwed.

Shit, I hadn't even thought of that. There's no workaround then?

This is what I'm working with. I can't afford a new radio :( Would the source button recognize the external input? It has a CD player and I've heard some people have luck without AUX buttons.
 
Alright I hope I get a response.

I have a 98 Eldorado with the stock Bose radio. I would like to be able to hook my phone into it via auxiliary but it doesn't have an input. Is there a way to install an auxiliary port or adapter into the radio?

Does it have a tape player? Maybe use something like this? I have been using it in my 98 Ford Escort stock radio for the last couple of years.

 

Zoolader

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Shit, I hadn't even thought of that. There's no workaround then?

This is what I'm working with. I can't afford a new radio :( Would the source button recognize the external input? It has a CD player and I've heard some people have luck without AUX buttons.

This may help while you figure it out. Although I don't think the sound quality is too good. I have used this sony one, it did work better than the $5 RCA one from wal-mart. There are also bluetooth devices but I only know a little about ones specific to my car.

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edit: looks like somebody beat me.
 
Does it have a tape player? Maybe use something like this? I have been using it in my 98 Ford Escort stock radio for the last couple of years.

This is a last resort option for me. The stock stereo system in my car is surprisingly great for an older car so I want the best audio quality out of it. I've heard a lot of bad things about cassette adapters (static, distortion, hiss, fragility, etc.).
 

ameratsu

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Apparently installing a new head unit requires a shit ton of rewiring and stuff and would end up being really expensive so I'm stuck with the stock radio. Any way to find out about an aux port without removing the radio?

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Here's the back. Is that hole on the left an aux port? Doesn't appear to be /:

I'm no expert but I think the port is probably for an antenna, not aux.

"Rewiring the radio" normally isn't that expensive. I've installed a few aftermarket headunits, and while some models are harder, many only require a headunit (1 din most likely), trim specific to your car, and a wiring harness specific to your car.

From a quick glance at prices, a decent1-din headunit with an aux input is <$100, which is by far the most the expensive part. I looked online for my car and the trim to install a 1-din headunit and car-specific wiring harness is about $25 shipped. Though if you don't know how to solder it might be best to have a friend do it. Once you've done the soldering, it should be mostly plug and play, and wouldn't be hard at all to go back to stock.
 

TylerD

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You know people ship cars, right? Its pretty cheap too. I can fly there, inspect it, and fly home.

Seeing how I did the same thing (driving) cross country from VA, it is actually a great idea and a good way to get to know your new car. Though if you were always planning to ship that is different.

I would drive it over shipping in a heart beat.
 
If your radio has a "media" option when you hit source, you might be able to do this: http://forum.mazda6club.com/electrical-lighting-audio/225354-diy-3-5mm-stereo-bose-system.html

Yes, I know it's for a Mazda 6 but it should work the same on any kind of radio. Of course, you gotta have some DIY/soldering skills in order to do this but it shouldn't cost you more than $5 bucks to do it.

Otherwise, look around Amazon or eBay for a cheap head unit with an aux port. There's tons of them for less than $50 and if sound quality isn't an issue, they'll be perfectly fine.

I remember when I switched the crappy stock BOSE HU in my Miata, cost me about $125 for a fancy JVC HU with iOS support for playback and charging, aux port and bluetooth. Took me about 4 hours to install since I had to tear out half the dash of my Miata to install it lol. Before that, I had a FM receiver since I didn't have an aux port or tape player. .___.
 

No Love

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Seeing how I did the same thing (driving) cross country from VA, it is actually a great idea and a good way to get to know your new car. Though if you were always planning to ship that is different.

I would drive it over shipping in a heart beat.

Isnt driving from VA to CA gonna take me a few days and give a really high chance of getting tons of speeding tickets?
 

Ty4on

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Shit, I hadn't even thought of that. There's no workaround then?

This is what I'm working with. I can't afford a new radio :( Would the source button recognize the external input? It has a CD player and I've heard some people have luck without AUX buttons.

I searched for units like this one before reading you couldn't afford a new radio (they are 150-220 on ebay...), but then I found stuff like this. Have no idea how well it would work, but it is only 30$.

Your 96 Eldorado is on the list of supported brands and I think all GM cars back then used the same interface.
 

No Love

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Yeah but they sound like dog-shit compared to a supercharged or N/A engine. That's really all I need to know about turbo'd engines.

Um no. You ever heard a motor pushing 30-40 psi? Does not sound like dogshit. I am also guessing you have never rode in a car with large intake turbo... it sounds like a jet engine spooling up.

And you realize manifold design, piping diameter, resonators, piping material, engine design/layout are responsible for 90% of a car's exhaust sound, right? Forced induction type has little factor on that.

That's like saying a turbo Vette or turbo E36 M3 sounds like shit compared to the NA/SC ones... lol.
 
Um no. You ever heard a motor pushing 30-40 psi? Does not sound like dogshit. I am also guessing you have never rode in a car with large intake turbo... it sounds like a jet engine spooling up.

And you realize manifold design, piping diameter, resonators, piping material, engine design/layout are responsible for 90% of a car's exhaust sound, right? Forced induction type has little factor on that.

That's like saying a turbo Vette or turbo E36 M3 sounds like shit compared to the NA/SC ones... lol.

That is exactly correct. The induction sound can be kind of neat, but the turbine has an irreversible effect on the exhaust stream that dulls the more natural, harder edge of the exhaust.

Seriously, has anyone ever said "I think the 911 turbo sounds better than the 911S."? Nope.
 

nayrac

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Are you allowed to share any details?

Sure thing. It developed a chassis vibration a few weeks after delivery. Could be felt in the floor at specific speeds. Audi had it for about a month and determined the half shafts were bent and whatever attaches the axles to the trans were also shot. Everything was replaced along with the tires because the wobbliness had shredded them. Car was perfect for about a month or so then it started to vibrate again. This time they claimed it was the front tires. They were replaced. No change. Took it back again. This time they had it for ~2 weeks and wound up replacing bearings or something. No fix.

yadda yadda yadda I'm not angry and I need a new car.
 
Sure thing. It developed a chassis vibration a few weeks after delivery. Could be felt in the floor at specific speeds. Audi had it for about a month and determined the half shafts were bent and whatever attaches the axles to the trans were also shot. Everything was replaced along with the tires because the wobbliness had shredded them. Car was perfect for about a month or so then it started to vibrate again. This time they claimed it was the front tires. They were replaced. No change. Took it back again. This time they had it for ~2 weeks and wound up replacing bearings or something. No fix.

yadda yadda yadda I'm not angry and I need a new car.

Sounds like an unfortunate situation all around. Did Audi/dealership help in any way or did you have to go through your state/attorney to declare it a lemon?

Did they finally figure out what was wrong with the vehicle?
 
I searched for units like this one before reading you couldn't afford a new radio (they are 150-220 on ebay...), but then I found stuff like this. Have no idea how well it would work, but it is only 30$.

Your 96 Eldorado is on the list of supported brands and I think all GM cars back then used the same interface.

This might be the solution, but I'm not too sure what I'm looking at. Is this some kind of external aux box that I connect to the back of my radio?
 

nayrac

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Sounds like an unfortunate situation all around. Did Audi/dealership help in any way or did you have to go through your state/attorney to declare it a lemon?

Did they finally figure out what was wrong with the vehicle?

To be fair, the dealership was as helpful as possible. Audi, slightly less so. I had to get an attorney involved.

They never did figure it out.
 

Ty4on

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This might be the solution, but I'm not too sure what I'm looking at. Is this some kind of external aux box that I connect to the back of my radio?

I honestly don't know either :p

I think looking at this diagram that it is plugged in between the radio and acts like an external source. I found this video, but it didn't help that much because it looks like it won't work if your car doesn't support an external CD changer and it doesn't look like the head unit has a button for that. The units on that web page also cost almost 100 bucks...

Edit: Your radio has a source button so I think it will work, but it would suck to spend 30 bucks on a useless piece of plastic :p
 
I honestly don't know either :p

I think looking at this diagram that it is plugged in between the radio and acts like an external source. I found this video, but it didn't help that much because it looks like it won't work if your car doesn't support an external CD changer and it doesn't look like the head unit has a button for that. The units on that web page also cost almost 100 bucks...

Edit: Your radio has a source button so I think it will work, but it would suck to spend 30 bucks on a useless piece of plastic :p

I think that seller has a return policy or something. Think I should go for it? This would be REALLY nice to have.
 
Sure thing. It developed a chassis vibration a few weeks after delivery. Could be felt in the floor at specific speeds. Audi had it for about a month and determined the half shafts were bent and whatever attaches the axles to the trans were also shot. Everything was replaced along with the tires because the wobbliness had shredded them. Car was perfect for about a month or so then it started to vibrate again. This time they claimed it was the front tires. They were replaced. No change. Took it back again. This time they had it for ~2 weeks and wound up replacing bearings or something. No fix.

yadda yadda yadda I'm not angry and I need a new car.

But it got better temporarily after every fix? Man that is freaky... I wonder if there was a thing they had to loosen and re-tighten every time they made a repair that was ultimately the problem, i.e., they would tighten it and it would loosen up, causing the problem again.

Unsolved automotive mysteries are the worst, dude.
 
I've had some real good seat time in my friends GTR-35 and I've come to the conclusion that I NEED one of these HAHA. I thought my next purchase would be a BNR34 in a few years. It's always been a dream car of mine, but the way the Canadian insurance market place is, I don't know how RHD insurance is going to play out in the future. It was hard enough getting my S15 Silvia insured.

I've been watching the used market for a while now, and they are getting close to the range that I'm willing to spend for one.
 
To be fair, the dealership was as helpful as possible. Audi, slightly less so. I had to get an attorney involved.

They never did figure it out.

But it got better temporarily after every fix? Man that is freaky... I wonder if there was a thing they had to loosen and re-tighten every time they made a repair that was ultimately the problem, i.e., they would tighten it and it would loosen up, causing the problem again.

Unsolved automotive mysteries are the worst, dude.

NTFs (No Trouble Found) are a real pain in the ass. A part won't work on the car, the dealer replaces it and the customer is happy. When the "failed" part is sent back to the manufacturer, it passes all their tests. And then starts a long tug-of-war over who pays for the repair.
 

Ty4on

Member
I think that seller has a return policy or something. Think I should go for it? This would be REALLY nice to have.

Your decision. I'm no expert, I just googled.

I found the instructions and they do state:
Requirements: For 1995-2002 vehicles* the Sedan or SUV factory headunit must have a
working slave unit which uses the GM 9 pin connector. Slave unit examples are: factory/
aftermarket CD changer, separate factory cassette player or single CD player.
I'm not sure if the cassette player qualifies as a slave unit, but it may as there is a source button. I also think it only gives you RCA so you'd also need a cable like this, but they should be quite common.

Edit: The Eldorado is also a cool car BTW. There was one in my hometown which I was jealous of. They were never sold here though (or in Europe I think) so it must suck to service them. The last gen Seville was sold in Europe for some time so that might make it slightly easier if they shared a lot of parts.

Edit2: I don't know their price or if they sound like crap (sound OK here though), but the tape to AUX adapters should be easier and cheaper so I would at least consider them.
 

nayrac

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But it got better temporarily after every fix? Man that is freaky... I wonder if there was a thing they had to loosen and re-tighten every time they made a repair that was ultimately the problem, i.e., they would tighten it and it would loosen up, causing the problem again.

Unsolved automotive mysteries are the worst, dude.

It only got better after the axles and flanges(?) were replaced. After that they never touched those parts again. Dealer went so far as to get an a3 donor to swap bits while we drove it around. Tires and rims did nothing. Around the time they changed the bearings the vibration started to get more obvious. I have no idea if that's related. I doubt it.
 

TylerD

Member
Looks like my rear defroster will be a casualty of removing the old tint. They said they spent hours on pulling tiny pieces off after it delaminated and steaming/heatgun didn't work to loosen the adhesive and they would have to scrape it off.
 

ameratsu

Member
I've had some real good seat time in my friends GTR-35 and I've come to the conclusion that I NEED one of these HAHA. I thought my next purchase would be a BNR34 in a few years. It's always been a dream car of mine, but the way the Canadian insurance market place is, I don't know how RHD insurance is going to play out in the future. It was hard enough getting my S15 Silvia insured.

I've been watching the used market for a while now, and they are getting close to the range that I'm willing to spend for one.

Sell me your silvia when you're bored of it. I'm only sort of joking.
 
Your decision. I'm no expert, I just googled.

I found the instructions and they do state:

I'm not sure if the cassette player qualifies as a slave unit, but it may as there is a source button. I also think it only gives you RCA so you'd also need a cable like this, but they should be quite common.


Edit: The Eldorado is also a cool car BTW. There was one in my hometown which I was jealous of. They were never sold here though (or in Europe I think) so it must suck to service them. The last gen Seville was sold in Europe for some time so that might make it slightly easier if they shared a lot of parts.

Edit2: I don't know their price or if they sound like crap (sound OK here though), but the tape to AUX adapters should be easier and cheaper so I would at least consider them.

I just contacted a few people and apparently the Bose head unit does not have a slave unit, so I'm limited now. The guy I spoke to DID tell me about this though, but he said the installation would be $180? Why so much?
 

N-Bomb

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Um no. You ever heard a motor pushing 30-40 psi? Does not sound like dogshit. I am also guessing you have never rode in a car with large intake turbo... it sounds like a jet engine spooling up.

And you realize manifold design, piping diameter, resonators, piping material, engine design/layout are responsible for 90% of a car's exhaust sound, right? Forced induction type has little factor on that.

That's like saying a turbo Vette or turbo E36 M3 sounds like shit compared to the NA/SC ones... lol.

This is my biggest concern w/ upgrading my dp. I like the sound now, don't want it to get hondabuzzy. Don't want to go UEL. :\

But also I don't want it to sound like a 747. I like induction noise, but not so much turbo noise...


Is there any possibility that, if I put headlights back on, this would be road-legal?
 

No Love

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That is exactly correct. The induction sound can be kind of neat, but the turbine has an irreversible effect on the exhaust stream that dulls the more natural, harder edge of the exhaust.

Seriously, has anyone ever said "I think the 911 turbo sounds better than the 911S."? Nope.

I'm sorry sir, but has anyone ever said 'the 911 turbo sounds worse than the 911 S?' Nope.

And you know what, while turbos do affect exhaust note, it's not in a negative way. That's your opinion, not a fact. It's a subjective thing. I am going to guess you don't have much experience being around turbocharged 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder motors. They can make V8's sound like shit. An Evo with a nice exhaust sounds absolutely insane, like a high end street bike but deeper. Turbo S50/S52 from the E36 M3 sound absolutely monstrous, and RB engines from GTR's have always sounded very good.

Honestly, like I said before, the forced induction type or lack thereof isn't the major factor in exhaust note. The exhaust components themselves are. A nice, well made exhaust will make any car sound much better.
 
I'm sorry sir, but has anyone ever said 'the 911 turbo sounds worse than the 911 S?' Nope.

Yeah, lots of people. People say that all the time. Jalopnik even had a little blurb about it in a link to a 911 Turbo video where the car actually sounded good: "the twin turbos muffling the exhaust note."

And you know what, while turbos do affect exhaust note, it's not in a negative way. That's your opinion, not a fact. It's a subjective thing. I am going to guess you don't have much experience being around turbocharged 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder motors. They can make V8's sound like shit. An Evo with a nice exhaust sounds absolutely insane, like a high end street bike but deeper. Turbo S50/S52 from the E36 M3 sound absolutely monstrous, and RB engines from GTR's have always sounded very good.

Honestly, like I said before, the forced induction type or lack thereof isn't the major factor in exhaust note. The exhaust components themselves are. A nice, well made exhaust will make any car sound much better.

Yeah I've heard lots of turbocharged 4 and 6 cylinders and I really do not like them. They do not make V8s sound like shit (even though I'm not a big fan of cross-plane V8s), and NA 4 and 6 cylinders sound a lot better than their turbocharged brethren.

It's subjective whether or not you prefer the sound of a turbocharged engine but they definitely modify the exhaust note, generally by muffling it somewhat. You can change the exhaust to improve the note--dramatically even--but it still won't sound as good as the non-turbo version.
 

N-Bomb

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Yeah, lots of people. People say that all the time. Jalopnik even had a little blurb about it in a link to a 911 Turbo video where the car actually sounded good: "the twin turbos muffling the exhaust note."

Yeah I've heard lots of turbocharged 4 and 6 cylinders and I really do not like them. They do not make V8s sound like shit (even though I'm not a big fan of cross-plane V8s), and NA 4 and 6 cylinders sound a lot better than their turbocharged brethren.

It's subjective whether or not you prefer the sound of a turbocharged engine but they definitely modify the exhaust note, generally by muffling it somewhat. You can change the exhaust to improve the note--dramatically even--but it still won't sound as good as the non-turbo version.

That Porsche sounds like a tanker-sized sewing machine.

Turbos definitely improve the sound of peripheral exhaust port rotaries.
 
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