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Verboten said:
Nah. Riddler's more irreverant, smaller. He wouldn't slander a DA in the running and laugh about it, using the platform as exposure for himself.
Snaku said:
Yeah, I've seen that. Either way, I think the original look was taken into account. Even in Bermejo's design.
soundwave05
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What's the story behind the Lee Bermejo Joker? Does he fall into a vat of acid, or is it make up? Also how does his smile become carved into his face?
RBelong2Us
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Wonder if the pic will turn from a frown to a smile once all the pixels are filled up, that would be bad ass.
Zombie James
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I said wow...
Callo Merlose
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I didn't ever really like the look of a Joker with a fixed smile. Part of what makes people think the Joker is crazy is that he's genuinely smiling mad and some twisted inside joke that only he gets. A fixed smile seems like something an imposter of the Joker would have. It's not going to make me hate the movie, but it's just something I'm going to have to over look. People might think Alex Ross' designs might look silly if applied in the real world, but that's because these kinda costumes are generaly silly in real life. However, the Joker doesn't wear spandex so this wouldn't look bad at all:
And while I don't think Harley should show up here, maybe a reference to Harleen Quinzel as a psychiatrist in Arkham would be enough.
And while I don't think Harley should show up here, maybe a reference to Harleen Quinzel as a psychiatrist in Arkham would be enough.
Prime crotch
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Joker got shot in the head on some issues back by a Batman impersonator and Joker escaped while still healing the cirgury and got that carved smile look.soundwave05 said:
You get to see Joker under the gas effect.SanjuroTsubaki said:
Callo Merlose
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Because that would be silly. [/growling powerrangersvillain voice]woodchuck said:
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RBelong2Us
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Here's the rumors im hearing.
. Scarecrow is in the film at one point meets Joker and Scarecrow gets a taste of Joker under his own gas effect, supposedly this scene is totally fuked up.
. Something else im hearing is that Nolan and crew are building a abandoned carnival for a big showdown between Joker and Batman
. Scarecrow is in the film at one point meets Joker and Scarecrow gets a taste of Joker under his own gas effect, supposedly this scene is totally fuked up.
. Something else im hearing is that Nolan and crew are building a abandoned carnival for a big showdown between Joker and Batman
brandonh83
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Prime crotch said:
Yeah THAT isn't going to be some scary ****in shit
Also I hope Scarecrow doesn't get too shafted in this movie.
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Verboten said:I didn't ever really like the look of a Joker with a fixed smile. Part of what makes people think the Joker is crazy is that he's genuinely smiling mad and some twisted inside joke that only he gets. A fixed smile seems like something an imposter of the Joker would have. It's not going to make me hate the movie, but it's just something I'm going to have to over look. People might think Alex Ross' designs might look silly if applied in the real world, but that's because these kinda costumes are generaly silly in real life. However, the Joker doesn't wear spandex so this wouldn't look bad at all:
And while I don't think Harley should show up here, maybe a reference to Harleen Quinzel as a psychiatrist in Arkham would be enough.
That would have been great.
starchild excalibur
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karasu said:
It's not that you dislike the look of the joker, it's how you go about saying it. Surely you must have known that going into a thread such as this just to post "LAME!" was going to incite negative sentiment? Other people have raised disdain with elements of batman, but because they said it in a more mature way, they didn't get the same hostility you did.
My use of the white stripes avatar only extends as far as my enjoyment of the photo - not my enjoyment of the band (which i'm indifferent to), so take that for what you will.
Littleberu
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Ether_Snake said:
Not in Nolan's universe.
soundwave05
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One thing I think people need to do is let go of this idea of a "definitive Batman film" ... it's never going to happen.
That's part of the fun of the Batman character though ... there's so many different interpretations of the character. I think only Batman & Robin crossed the line of being so far removed from ... anything that is gets disowned.
Moreso than any other superhero, I think Batman really brings about different stylistic viewpoints. With the comics you have a wild variety of different versions of Batman as well. The animated TV series is sort of like the best middle ground I think.
Even the 1960s Batman ... now that we've gotten two doses of a darker Batman (Burton's more fantasylike version and Nolan's more realistic/crime style) ... is fun to look back at. Julie Newmar is still the best Catwoman too, lol.
But I think all this makes the Batman character more interesting. In 20 years if they choose to do another Spider-Man trilogy ... I mean, more or less the character and tone is likely to be similar to the Raimi versions ... but with Batman, the character is never pinned down in one way.
Nolan's version is just that ... Nolan's version. I don't know if it's any more closer to the "comics" (and is there even a definitive agreement on which Batman is "the" comics version? Is it Frank Miller's? Bob Kane's? Alan Moore's? etc. etc. etc.) than Burton's was.
That's part of the fun of the Batman character though ... there's so many different interpretations of the character. I think only Batman & Robin crossed the line of being so far removed from ... anything that is gets disowned.
Moreso than any other superhero, I think Batman really brings about different stylistic viewpoints. With the comics you have a wild variety of different versions of Batman as well. The animated TV series is sort of like the best middle ground I think.
Even the 1960s Batman ... now that we've gotten two doses of a darker Batman (Burton's more fantasylike version and Nolan's more realistic/crime style) ... is fun to look back at. Julie Newmar is still the best Catwoman too, lol.
But I think all this makes the Batman character more interesting. In 20 years if they choose to do another Spider-Man trilogy ... I mean, more or less the character and tone is likely to be similar to the Raimi versions ... but with Batman, the character is never pinned down in one way.
Nolan's version is just that ... Nolan's version. I don't know if it's any more closer to the "comics" (and is there even a definitive agreement on which Batman is "the" comics version? Is it Frank Miller's? Bob Kane's? Alan Moore's? etc. etc. etc.) than Burton's was.
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BrandNew said:
Like I said, I like the Batman character (in fact all the characters were well played pretty much). I didn't like how the first real villains Batman encountered were the Scarecrow and Ras Al Ghul. To me what was important was that the emergence of Batman immediately led to the emergence of the Joker, and the battle between the two would lead to the emergence of more freaks as time goes by. I felt that should have been the theme, same for Spider Man.
What's going to happen by the time of Batman 3? It will have the Power rangers effect: The weirdos always popup in the same city, getting beaten up by the same people, when they could just attack the neighboring city and get away with it. And now the Joker will be just a freak among other freaks.
It's what happened with Spider Man 3 (Oh a meteor has fallen right next to me! Some guy can turn to sand! And they're attacking New York!).
Sure it might still be a good movie, but I was disappointed with that particular aspect:/
soundwave05
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I disagree I think, I think it was important that Batman Begins focus on the creation of Batman, because we really haven't seen that before.
Now with TDK you can bring in the heavier hitters. I wasn't crazy about the Scarecrow, but man the hallucination scenes were pretty impressive.
Also these Batman movies seem to do a better job of setting up the villians once the ball is rolling. The Joker being introduced right at the end of BB was a great way to do it IMO. Now it looks like they're already setting up the third installment by having Harvey Dent. It seems like they have it pretty well thought out.
Another thing I do like is Scarecrow is being brought back ... which hasn't been done in previous films ... usually the baddie just dies at the end and never comes back. So I think this reinforces the Nolan films as a centralized saga, more than the huge differences the Burton/Schumacher films had.
Now with TDK you can bring in the heavier hitters. I wasn't crazy about the Scarecrow, but man the hallucination scenes were pretty impressive.
Also these Batman movies seem to do a better job of setting up the villians once the ball is rolling. The Joker being introduced right at the end of BB was a great way to do it IMO. Now it looks like they're already setting up the third installment by having Harvey Dent. It seems like they have it pretty well thought out.
Another thing I do like is Scarecrow is being brought back ... which hasn't been done in previous films ... usually the baddie just dies at the end and never comes back. So I think this reinforces the Nolan films as a centralized saga, more than the huge differences the Burton/Schumacher films had.
DeathbyVolcano
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Err...how particularly wrong or disappointing was the way they did it in Begins? It's logical and it makes absolute SENSE: Ras hires Scarecrow, Scarecrow tests fear toxins on his patients from the shit Ras sends over, thus new villains are created from the mass at Arkham, most notably the Joker.
citrus lump
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Ether_Snake said:
If they didn't attack New York, it wouldn't be a Spider-Man flick. He can't just swing on over to Tokyo :/
Prince of Space
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DeathbyVolcano
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jett said:
Why do you care so much?
EDIT: Well yeah, obviously should be using spoil tags...
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BrandNew said:
As far as I know the Joker is going to be just some criminal, not related to the first movie in of itself. If he is an indirect product of Scarecrow/Ras then that's worst than I thought.
Anyway I was simply disappointed by the choice of villains. Then again they were not too over the top, so they might not overshadow the Joker.
I really hope the Joker kills Scarecrow early on and remains the only villain for the rest of the movie.
DeathbyVolcano
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Wow thank GOD you're not writing this movie.
Prime crotch
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uh..Joker as always been just a criminal before meeting up with Batman and go crazy. What did you want some kind of mystical bond betwen them?Ether_Snake said:
Oh and, and for those of you who want that please watch Batman: Dead End to get your sillies outPrime crotch said:
RBelong2Us
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It's a rumorKuroyume said:
Christopher
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Man I just got my Batman: The Animated Series DVDs and they are sooooooooooo good. I really mean it too, I never liked series DVDs before and I just saw this thread and wtf is wrong with Joker 
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I guess I'll stick with Batman: TAS as the identification in my mind of the villians, but why is his mouth ****ed up?
.I guess I'll stick with Batman: TAS as the identification in my mind of the villians, but why is his mouth ****ed up?
Prime crotch
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Just a diferent take on the character's crazy smile. Besides he's got a similar one now on the comics.Christopher said:
Christopher said:Man I just got my Batman: The Animated Series DVDs and they are sooooooooooo good. I really mean it too, I never liked series DVDs before and I just saw this thread and wtf is wrong with Joker
I guess I'll stick with Batman: TAS as the identification in my mind of the villians, but why is his mouth ****ed up?
We'll find out in the film, I suppose.
I certainly hope TDK avoids all the "LOLZ YOU CREATED ME!" bullshit from Burtman and The Killing Joke.
Prime crotch
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Don't you diss mr Allan Moore!jett said:
I remember hearing a rumor that Sarah Michelle Gellar was up for a role, not the one Maggie got but another one, and the name Harley Quinn popped up.
I also really like the look of this joker so far, it fits this Batman universe perfectly.
i'm not totally sold on Heath ledger though, I don't really think he's a great actor, quite boring.
I also really like the look of this joker so far, it fits this Batman universe perfectly.
i'm not totally sold on Heath ledger though, I don't really think he's a great actor, quite boring.
It's somewhere between rumor and known. One might say it's a known rumor. In any case it's very likely to happen. They let him off at the end of the first movie for a reason. And I think that reason isKuroyume said:
so he can gas the joker like he does in the comics, to which the joker just laughs and beats him with a chair to show how much more badass he is.
Christopher
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...anyone...anyone??
Prime crotch
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Well Alan Moore can talk shit about himself if he wants he's crazy that way.Clevinger said:
You then went and did Batman: the Killing Joke.Clevinger said:
Yeah, it was done while I was doing Watchmen, or just after or something, I'm not sure which but it was too close to Watchmen. I mean, Brian [Bolland] did a wonderful job on the art but I don't think it's a very good book. It's not saying anything very interesting.
Well, the main thing is the symbiosis between Batman and the Joker. Was that there already in Batman comics or was it something you kind of - ?
- Oh, I don't know. I think that it was certainly that I made it explicit for the first time.
And the Joker's origin? Had he had one before that?
He'd got a kind of muddy kind of origin. They'd said that he'd been the leader of a criminal gang called the Red Hood Mob and that while trying to escape from Batman he'd swum across this river of chemicals.
And that was about it?
That was about it and this was from a story from, like, the late '50s or something and so I thought "Okay, I won't contradict that," because I kind of believe in working by the rules of the material as it already exists but I can put a lot of spin on that.
You put a complete spin on that.
But at the end of the day, Watchmen was something to do with power, V for Vendetta was about fascism and anarchy, The Killing Joke was just about Batman and the Joker - and Batman and the Joker are not really symbols of anything that are real, in the real world, they're just two comic book characters.
Alan Moore is a strange individual.....
Due to his style of writing I understand why he doesn't like this book as much as his others. I'm sure however he understands the impact his book has had and how big of icons those two characters are to many people.
Father_Brain
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Only a few pixels left. Hopefully, something will happen when the image is completely cleared.
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alr1ghtstart said:
So this is completly oficial??
brandonh83
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Yes.
Callo Merlose
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To the people saying that the comic look of the Joker wouldn't fit in this guy's "universe," the Joker's not supposed to fit in the Batman mythos period. He's rarely serious, he smiles, he's funny, killing to him means nothing as long as there's a punchline, and he's obsessed with Batman. You look at him and you're not supposed to think he's horribly disfigured, but it's all in that smile and the intent behind it. All that shit just to say, he's not supposed to fit into Batman's world with the way he looks, but he does.
WickedAngel
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Verboten said:
Making the Joker look retarded, brightly dressed, and cheerful wouldn't make sense. These new Batman movies are supposed to be darker than ever before; this Joker fits that perfectly.
He can still be everything you mentioned above without looking like a Bozo spinoff.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Verboten said:
We haven't seen this joker smile yet
I'm personally hoping for his teeth to be reddened, a kind've blood-soaked smile.
Callo Merlose
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WickedAngel said:
He's not supposed to fit with a ****ing theme, you muppet.
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Excuse me. My point is that darkness doesn't mean he has to literally look darker. You're thinking it'd look cheap, I'm telling you that you're not using your imagination.
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