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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD

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effzee said:
says who?

joker is bigger than heath. and heath's take on the joker is not the embodiment of all the joker history and nuances.

You can certainly have another atrocious Joker characterization in a different Batman universe. You had Nicholson after all, which was a true joke. But NOT Nolan's Batman universe. THAT Joker is Heath Ledger, and any attempt to shoehorn another actor into the role will always fall pitiably short.
 
and again you dont answer the question.

if nolan is directing why do you think it would be atrocious. especially after such praise for heath?

would it not be more logical to assume a actor equally talented in bringing out something new and unique would be cast so the Joker remains as dynamic a character possible.

i cant see it being terrible if nolan decided not to do it and someone other new director/writer decided to carry on. but with nolan in charge if they do plan to re cast the joker i would have no problem first from a respect level towards heath and i would definitely not brush it off before seeing it.
 
effzee said:
and again you dont answer the question.

if nolan is directing why do you think it would be atrocious. especially after such praise for heath?

would it not be more logical to assume a actor equally talented in bringing out something new and unique would be cast so the Joker remains as dynamic a character possible.

i cant see it being terrible if nolan decided not to do it and someone other new director/writer decided to carry on. but with nolan in charge if they do plan to re cast the joker i would have no problem first from a respect level towards heath and i would definitely not brush it off before seeing it.

its kind of like the chicken or the egg thing. Its BECAUSE of Nolan that i don't think they'd do it.
 
I’m betting the Joker told you to kill me, so rather than kill you with your back turned I’m going to tell you how clever I am for figuring that out.

HEATH LEDGER CLOWN

No, I kill the bus driver.

RANDOM CLOWN #3

Bus driver? As in a person who drives a bus? That’s extremely confusing to me, for you see I am not aware of any bus thus far in the heist. How strange of you to mention a vehicle that I have yet to be aware of in any capacity. Let me just take a few steps to the left while I stand and ponder what you could possibly mean by that.

:lol
 
Scullibundo said:
OMG! You're the guy! You're the rat-fuck sonuvabitch that suggested they re-film Uncle Ben's shooting. I HATE YOU!

I didn't know what you were talking about for a few minutes. You're wrong, I hated what SM3 did to Uncle Ben's shooting.

I do feel the Joker character is larger than Ledger's (excellent) version of Joker. But I also feel there are a lot of other places a sequel could and should go. As a long-time Batman comics reader from the 70's 80's and some of the 90's, I think Riddler or Penguin or Catwoman would work. I'd like to see a good version of Penguin. How interesting would it be to watch Batman try to figure out riddles. Penguin could be a tougher opponent with more menace. I'm bored with Catwoman but in Nolan's universe it could still be a treat.

I just don't want to see versions of Clayface or Croc. Or Poison Ivy.
 
effzee said:
and again you dont answer the question.

if nolan is directing why do you think it would be atrocious. especially after such praise for heath?

would it not be more logical to assume a actor equally talented in bringing out something new and unique would be cast so the Joker remains as dynamic a character possible.

i cant see it being terrible if nolan decided not to do it and someone other new director/writer decided to carry on. but with nolan in charge if they do plan to re cast the joker i would have no problem first from a respect level towards heath and i would definitely not brush it off before seeing it.

NOLAN has a path for Joker. That is the original vision. I bet it is totally rad.

But that is only half the package. You need the actor. The Joker in the Nolanverse IS Heath Ledger, period. You cannot take a half measure and bring in some other capable actor to fill his role in the Nolanverse. In this Batman franchise, Heath Ledger is the joker. His characterization is separate from just the words on the screenplay. And you know, I'm 100% positive Nolan believes the same thing since I'm pretty sure he's not going the Joker route anymore.

No matter what his intentions were, the ghost of Heath Ledger's joker would haunt the project. Cries of "well it's good, but no Heath Ledger" is basically all that could arise from it. It'd be so inconsistent with the portrayal in the second film that, as I said, it might as well be a different character.

And it will be a different character.
 
this is probably old but whatever:

Q: Is Harvey Dent alive?
Aaron Eckhart: No. He is dead as a door nail.

Q: So he's not coming back?
Eckhart: He ain't coming back baby!

Q: I was hoping he would.
Eckhart: No. I asked Chris [Nolan] that question and he goes, "You're dead" before I could even get the question out of my mouth. "Hey Chris, am I?" "You're dead!" Alright, cool.

Q: That's not a problem in comic book movies. You could still come back.
Eckhart: I think in contract negotiations it's a problem.

Q: So you were never signed on for another film?
Eckhart: No, I'm not coming back. I think unfortunately, Heath [Ledger] was supposed to go on and that didn't work out. I'm nobody. I'm a cog. I have no say over this sort of stuff. I'm sure that there's so many other characters that they could whip together. I heard Angelina Jolie was going to be Catwoman or something like that. I thought that was a great idea. I'd like to be in that one.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=48470
 
Amir0x said:
NOLAN has a path for Joker. That is the original vision. I bet it is totally rad.

But that is only half the package. You need the actor. The Joker in the Nolanverse IS Heath Ledger, period. You cannot take a half measure and bring in some other capable actor to fill his role in the Nolanverse. In this Batman franchise, Heath Ledger is the joker. His characterization is separate from just the words on the screenplay. And you know, I'm 100% positive Nolan believes the same thing since I'm pretty sure he's not going the Joker route anymore.

No matter what his intentions were, the ghost of Heath Ledger's joker would haunt the project. Cries of "well it's good, but no Heath Ledger" is basically all that could arise from it. It'd be so inconsistent with the portrayal in the second film that, as I said, it might as well be a different character.

And it will be a different character.

How would those cries differ from those heard over Heath not being able to top Jacks joker? In all fairness I don't see Heath's joker returning, but given the fact he's literally just a man in face paint with some knives I wouldn't be shocked if there are copycats.
 
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The more I think about it, the more I believe that Nolan probably didn't have an outline for the next film while he was making this one. He's a guy who just lays it all out on the table, puts it all on screen, then moves onto his next film. The joker doesn't have to come back and I don't think he was banking on that idea before heath's death. He'll cook up something good. He always does.
 
Spirit of Jazz said:
How would those cries differ from those heard over Heath not being able to top Jacks joker? In all fairness I don't see Heath's joker returning, but given the fact he's literally just a man in face paint with some knives I wouldn't be shocked if there are copycats.

Copycats could be good.
If you recast there will always be comparisons to Heath performance, but if you have several different copycats, each with their unique spin on The Joker, it could work.

I think Catwoman as a love interest for Batman, The Riddler plotting behind the scenes, and several copycat Jokers terrorising Gotham could work really well for the sequel.
 
just call the 3rd film "batman".
no villains, just batman dealing with the fucked up situation he is now in.
gotham thinks he is a killer and the murderer of dent, he has the whole city against him.

now thats a super villain.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
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The more I think about it, the more I believe that Nolan probably didn't have an outline for the next film while he was making this one. He's a guy who just lays it all out on the table, puts it all on screen, then moves onto his next film. The joker doesn't have to come back and I don't think he was banking on that idea before heath's death. He'll cook up something good. He always does.


this is probably most accurate.

nolan has said in multiple interviews when asked about the third movie that he never makes the movies with a sequel in mind. that he tries to put as much possible in the current movie and worries about a sequel later.

that does not mean he does not set up certain things. like the Joker reveal at the end of the first.

or the death of dent. certain things we can piece together.

my whole point is that i have total faith in nolan in whatever he decides to do. re cast the joker vs not bringing the joker back. its not like i want the joker back but at the same time a part of me wants to see a equally talented actor try it.

but whatever it may be it would fit the purpose/theme of the third movie which to me is more important. if nolan does the third movie it will be because they have a great story/script in place which further explores the tragedy of BATMAN. and this time i really hope the central focus is back on Batman.

S1kkZ said:
just call the 3rd film "batman".
no villains, just batman dealing with the fucked up situation he is now in.
gotham thinks he is a killer and the murderer of dent, he has the whole city against him.

now that's a super villain.


that could also work very well. actually i like that idea a lot. but for Batman to be hunted, Batman needs to be in action. and for Batman to be in action there needs to a criminal threat. he does not just come out for petty crimes. they set up the fact that he is trying to clean up the city by getting rid of the mob. which he does by the end of the Dark Knight.

he wouldn't be risking himself for a everyday mugging. there needs to be a threat. maybe not on such a large scale....that's why i think the Riddler would fit perfectly.

nolan works well with non linear story telling, puzzles, and twists. imagine him working with the Riddle character coming up with puzzles for Batman to solve all the while he is being hunted by the police. the identity of the Riddler could not be a mystery since whoever is selected for the role would be known, but it could be the motivation for Batman to continue coming out and stopping crime. Riddler could be the threat that gets him to risk his own identity/self while still protecting the city.

the Riddler could also be someone who commits crimes and then blames it on Batman by leaving clues that would suggest it was Batman. all the while Batman realizes how twisted he has become himself, how he has lost everything he loved, cant quit Batman, and how to the very public he protects he is the super villain.
 
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man i wish they used that scene. my most estimates its after the interrogation where he tells gordon he is going for Rachel right?
 
I just love how The Dark Knight leaves it all out there, you know? Everything you'd normally question in a superhero film (how does he keep his idenity secret? How does he cover his tracks? What happens when he's knocked out and someone tries to take off his mask?) these things are wrapped up in the coleman reese storyline perfectly. It shows how difficult ousting Batman will really be in BB3.

The stakes is high.
 
Guess what guys? I saw TDK today for the first time since the free IMAX screening on July 15th. Still soooooo good.

Theater was packed today too and it wasn't even IMAX.
 
DontStopTheTatakai said:
The new suit looks retarded imo. It's now more akin to Power Rangers or Guyver.
Hey, the idiot store called, and they're running out of you AND you're their all-time best seller.

(Thanks George and Riley for the basic structure)
 
Now that The Dark Knight has broken another box office record and become the highest-grossing first run Imax movie ever, theater-owners are wondering what to do for a follow-up. They've come up with what they think is a pretty good suggestion: More Dark Knight.

Talking to the Hollywood Reporter, Imax Filmed Entertainment chief Greg Foster explained that The Dark Knight has finally overtaken The Polar Express in terms of box office - a movie that is re-released to Imax screens every holiday season. Would Foster like to see a similar thing happening for Batman's latest adventure?

"That sounds like a really great idea," the Imax exec said. "Ultimately, it's a decision that Warner Bros. has to make. We'd certainly support that."

Warners distribution president Dan Fellman said there was "a real possibility" of such a re-release. Imax's imminent conversion of many of its venues to digital distribution would make cost considerations of such a move more negligible, though Fellman stressed nothing regarding an eventual "Dark Knight" re-release has been decided.

It could be the new way to celebrate the holidays! Trim the tree, wrap the gifts, go and see a nihilistic movie about the sacrifices a superhero makes for his city. Who could resist?
http://io9.com/5045884/the-dark-knight-to-become-an-annual-event
 
Looks like the government needs to make a Batman Day so that they can plan the IMAX release. I know the first thing that Obama needs to go when he gets into office. He should make this day and change our national symbol of an eagle to Batman.
 
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/09/08...-seymour-hoffman-for-the-penguin-in-batman-3/
Whaaaa?!: Michael Caine Confirms Johnny Depp Up For The Riddler, Philip Seymour Hoffman for The Penguin in Batman 3!
Posted on Monday, September 8th, 2008 at 11:31 am by: Hunter Stephenson




We’re pretty sure some type of “clarification” will be sent out shortly regarding the following statement from Michael Caine, but for now, it’s the first confirmation from someone involved in the Batman franchise about new villains and casting choices. And it’s HUGE. The ubiquitous rumors about Johnny Depp as The Riddler and Philip Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin will undoubtedly escalate after this. Here’s what Caine told MTV’s Splash Page…

“I was with [a Warner Bros.] executive and I said, ‘Are we going to make [a sequel to The Dark Knight]?’ They said yeah. I said, ‘How the hell are we going to top Heath? And he says ‘I’ll tell you how you top Heath — Johnny Depp as The Riddler and Philip Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin.’ I said, ‘Shit, they’ve done it again!’” [Laughs]

[:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol this is the funniest god damned thing I've heard all day:lol ]

Caine seemed to reiterate his certainty, confirming that he’d also read the rumors in the British tabloids and that “[Warner Bros.] already got [Depp and Hoffman] in mind.” Make of this what you will. Director Christopher Nolan is on vacation and hasn’t publicly stated any storylines or details for a sequel or even confirmed that he’s making another Batman film. Though, he’s long expressed his vision as a trilogy. Caine confirms that he hasn’t spoken with the director about a third installment.

Recently, Depp denied rumors that he’s up for The Riddler while on a radio show but admitted that “it’d be a fun gig”: five words that have been dissected and put under Geekland’s microscope. Meanwhile, Hoffman has been mum on the subject. Back in July, the ever ambitious National Enquirer reported an anonymous inside source as saying…

“(Producers) are convinced that the role of the Riddler is perfect for Depp. Johnny’s a pro. He’ll be able to take direction from director Chris Nolan and still make the character his own. And what better Penguin is there than Philip Seymour Hoffman.”

Screenwriter David Goyer has stated that a sequel would likely focus on lesser known villains that haven’t been depicted on screen before a la Batman Begins. And Christopher Nolan seems to prefer actors in villain roles who are not incredibly famous. Moreover, while dismissing rumors that Harvey Dent/Two Face would return, Aaron Eckhart speculated that Nolan wants to make a few smaller pics before he heads back to Gotham.

Discuss: Whoa. What do you think?
:lol "Shit, they've done again!" like its some sort of fucking wonder bread or some shit.:lol Not to mention, he says "they've done it again!" right in front of the guy, like he's not one of the 'they'. Then there's the boisterous "I'LL TELL YOU HOW WE TOP HEATH, BUSTER!" like he was waiting for Caine to ask him that question all his life.


Oh boy, I have a vivid imagination.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/09/08...-seymour-hoffman-for-the-penguin-in-batman-3/
:lol "Shit, they've done again!" like its some sort of fucking wonder bread or some shit.:lol Not to mention, he says "they've done it again!" right in front of the guy, like he's not one of the 'they'. Then there's the boisterous "I'LL TELL YOU HOW WE TOP HEATH, BUSTER!" like he was waiting for Caine to ask him that question all his life.


Oh boy, I have a vivid imagination.

I remember rumors of Phillip Seymour Hoffman dating back to right after Batman Begins on who was going to appear in it. I still want a movie with Bane in it though.
 
I've seen it yesterday for the first time.

Batman begins was pretty shitty IMO. But DK was amazing.

The movie is too long though.
 
AlternativeUlster said:
I remember rumors of Phillip Seymour Hoffman dating back to right after Batman Begins on who was going to appear in it. I still want a movie with Bane in it though.

It'll never happen, partly because you could never find a guy Bane's size that can act decently.
 
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