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Oh, my gosh. Those scale versions are INCREDIBLE. Definitely going to be getting the Joker one. :D

Also, does anyone know the box office total right now? I'm still holding out hope for it to beat Titanic when the re-release it around Oscar season.
 
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The Dark Knight-Original Motion Picture Soundtrack(2 CD Special Edition) [SOUNDTRACK] [SPECIAL EDITION]
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'The Dark Knight: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack' returns with the ASCAP-winning composers from Batman Begins- Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard for a powerful orchestral score. The Special Edition features the complete score on two CD's plus four bonus remix tracks; it also contains an 8x8x40 page hardbound book.
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Nolan's first interview since the release of TDK

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/christopher-nol.html#more

GB: Watching "The Dark Knight," it’s very easy to imagine the Joker returning to Gotham, the way his fate remains unresolved. When you were writing the film, did you anticipate that the Joker would be back in the third film?

NOLAN: No, really and in truth, I only deal with one film at a time. I find myself sort of protesting this issue a lot. We’ve never attempted to save anything for a sequel or set up anything for a sequel. That seems improbable to some people because, particularly with "Batman Begins," the film ended with a particular hook [with Jim Gordon showing Batman a Joker playing card announcing the arrival of a new villain in town]. But for me that was just about the excitement of people leaving the theater with the sense that now we have the character up and running. I wanted people to walk away with that sense in their head. You know, that he’s become the Batman in the movie. That’s why we had the title come up at the end, because it was "Batman Begins," and it was all very specific to that.

Then I got excited about seeing where that character would go. It was planned in advance, but it followed in that way. But we tried our hardest to really do everything in this movie that we would want to see the Joker do and to get that in the fabric of the story as much as possible. We wanted the Joker’s final taunt to Batman to be that they are locked in an ongoing struggle because of Batman’s rules. There’s a paradox there. Batman won’t kill. And the Joker is not interested in completely defeating Batman because he’s fascinated by him and he enjoys sparring with him. It’s trapped both of them. That was really the meaning of it. Of course what happened is Heath created the most extraordinary character that you would love to see 10 movies about. That’s the bittersweet thing. It was incredible characterization. It is a bittersweet thing for all of us.
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GB: Could you see actually yourself not making the third Batman film?

NOLAN: Well ... let me think how to put this. There are two things to be said. One is the emphasis on story. What’s the story? Is there a story that’s going to keep me emotionally invested for the couple of years that it will take to make another one? That’s the overriding question. On a more superficial level, I have to ask the question: How many good third movies in a franchise can people name? [Laughs.] At the same time, in taking on the second one, we had the challenge of trying to make a great second movie, and there haven't been too many of those either. It’s all about the story really. If the story is there, everything is possible. I hope that was a suitably slippery answer.
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Well at least he has the right attitude with 3rd movies sucking.

And the subtle name would be The Dark Knight Returns (which works as a homage to that terrible comic, but could also refer to Batman's return to the public's grace after the end of TDK)
 
Penguin said:
Well at least he has the right attitude with 3rd movies sucking.

And the subtle name would be The Dark Knight Returns (which works as a homage to that terrible comic
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You're either joking or confusing that with The Dark Knight Strikes Again.
 
Guzim said:
You're either joking or confusing that with The Dark Knight Strikes Again.
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No joking.
I don't get the love of The Dark Knight Returns. Read it once, and it just wasn't for me.

And on a note why came into this thread before, pre-ordered TDK on Blu-ray at Amazon for 25 bucks. I was disappointed to see the Batpod version is almost 50 bucks. I'm a huge fan, but not that huge.
 
Penguin said:
Well at least he has the right attitude with 3rd movies sucking.

And the subtle name would be The Dark Knight Returns (which works as a homage to that terrible comic, but could also refer to Batman's return to the public's grace after the end of TDK)
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I wouldn't mind if Nolan did his own spin on The Dark Knight Returns premise. Seeing his Batman towards the end of his career, but then they'd pretty much have to include Joker. :\
 
fallengorn said:
I wouldn't mind if Nolan did his own spin on The Dark Knight Returns premise. Seeing his Batman towards the end of his career, but then they'd pretty much have to include Joker. :\
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Jack Nicholson didn't die.
 
But we tried our hardest to really do everything in this movie that we would want to see the Joker do and to get that in the fabric of the story as much as possible. We wanted the Joker’s final taunt to Batman to be that they are locked in an ongoing struggle because of Batman’s rules. There’s a paradox there. Batman won’t kill. And the Joker is not interested in completely defeating Batman because he’s fascinated by him and he enjoys sparring with him. It’s trapped both of them. That was really the meaning of it.
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Nolan. Fucking. Gets it.
 
Masked Man said:
Also, does anyone know the box office total right now? I'm still holding out hope for it to beat Titanic when the re-release it around Oscar season.
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Its difficult to outgross Titanic, even taking into account the re-release.

Domestic total is about $527M, ranked all-time #2. World-wide total is at 991M, ranked all-time #4. (If it wasnt for Japan's weird hatred for the Batman franchise, it would have been #3)
 
Penguin said:
Well at least he has the right attitude with 3rd movies sucking.

And the subtle name would be The Dark Knight Returns (which works as a homage to that terrible comic, but could also refer to Batman's return to the public's grace after the end of TDK)
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No. DKR is the most important superhero comic of all time (I'm counting Watchmen out of there). It changed things. Nolan's Batman would not exist had there not been DKR. And terrible comic? It's the dream Batman comic book. It's his definitive ending (DKSA is really a DCU story) and has a fight with the four dream team opponents of his (Joker, Two-Face, the City, and You Know). The plotting is excellent, the artwork unique, and thematically as interesting as TDK.
 
i kind of want nolan to do something else besides batman for now...the prestige II!

but seriously, i hope jonathan nolan is writing something original right now
 
miyamotofreak said:
No. DKR is the most important superhero comic of all time (I'm counting Watchmen out of there). It changed things. Nolan's Batman would not exist had there not been DKR. And terrible comic? It's the dream Batman comic book. It's his definitive ending (DKSA is really a DCU story) and has a fight with the four dream team opponents of his (Joker, Two-Face, the City, and You Know). The plotting is excellent, the artwork unique, and thematically as interesting as TDK.
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Watchmen destroys TDKR. TDKR is great, but its not even the best Batman novel, let alone the best superhero comic of all time. The Long Halloween is the best Batman comic.
 
miyamotofreak said:
No. DKR is the most important superhero comic of all time (I'm counting Watchmen out of there). It changed things. Nolan's Batman would not exist had there not been DKR. And terrible comic? It's the dream Batman comic book. It's his definitive ending (DKSA is really a DCU story) and has a fight with the four dream team opponents of his (Joker, Two-Face, the City, and You Know). The plotting is excellent, the artwork unique, and thematically as interesting as TDK.
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Forever.
 
Scullibundo said:
Watchmen destroys TDKR. TDKR is great, but its not even the best Batman novel, let alone the best superhero comic of all time. The Long Halloween is the best Batman comic.
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That's why I counted Watchmen out ;). But Long Halloween the best Batman story? Seriously? Seriously?! Maybe the first few parts of it but .. seriously?!? As long as the final issue of Grant Morrison's RIP storyline delivers I'd probably put that about the Long Halloween. And Arkham Asylum?
 
2nd part of Nolan's interview, this time on his favorite scene (Interrogation)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/christopher-n-1.html

Originally, at the end of that scene, once the Joker reveals his information, Christian dropped him and then, almost as an afterthought, he kicked him in the head as he walked out of the room. We wound up removing that bit. It seemed a little too petulant for Batman in a way. And really, more than that, what it was is that I liked how Christian played it: When he drops the Joker, he has realized the futility of what he’s done. You see it in his eyes. How do you fight someone who thrives on conflict? It’s a very loose end to be left with.
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Christian and I had talked a lot on "Batman Begins" about finding a moment in that film where you actually worry that Batman will go too far. A moment where his rage might spill over and he would break his rules. We never found that moment. It just wasn’t there in that story. There was a lot of strength and aggression in the way he played the part, but I don’t think the story provided that element of losing control. What the Joker provides in the second film is the fact that his entire motivation is to push people’s buttons and find their rules set and it turn it on itself. And Batman of course places such importance on his rules, his morals. It’s what distinguishes him, in his mind, from a common vigilante. The Joker is able to twist him around and make him question his own approach and his own actions.

GB: In the first film, the Batman’s most memorable moments of intense aggression feel more like theater — he’s doing it in a calculated show to scare people. The first movie seems to be about Batman’s fear; the second one is about his rage.

Nolan: Exactly. That’s why we never found that moment of danger, the one we had talked about, where there’s this danger that Batman will just lose it and go too far. That rage is very much a central part of the story in ‘The Dark Knight,’ and that interrogation scene is the fulcrum on which the whole movie turns. I think Batman finds out — and Bruce Wayne finds out — a lot about himself in that scene.
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Simply perfect.
 
Prime crotch said:
Nowhere near man.
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Maybe it's the best Batman comic that could be readily accessible to non-comic book readers since it reads like an excellent crime epic while deftly incorporating the Batman mythos.
 
Part #3 of the Nolan interview:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/christopher-n-2.html

GB: The nominations for the 81st Academy Awards will be announced in January. How meaningful would it be for the cast and crew of "The Dark Knight" if the late Heath Ledger is nominated for best supporting actor?

I think the thing that has always been important to me in light of Heath’s death is the responsibility I’ve felt to his work. The responsibility of crafting the film in such a way that his performance came across the way he intended. Clearly, that has been the case. That’s one of the reasons I take such pride in the film.

I felt a great wave of relief, really, as people first started to see the performance and it was clear that they were getting the performance. It’s easy to forget with everything that’s happened what an enormous challenge it was for Heath to take on this iconic role. He rose to that challenge so admirably that any expression of people being excited or moved by his performance is a wonderful thing. Whatever form that takes. People coming to see his performance and getting it. It's been extremely satisfying for all of us already. Anything that adds to that would be wonderful.
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Reading those interviews just makes me realize now more than ever that no matter where the franchise goes in say 20 years or so that we will never get a truer form of Batman than Nolan's version.
 
Guzim said:
Reading those interviews just makes me realize now more than ever that no matter where the franchise goes in say 20 years or so that we will never get a truer form of Batman than Nolan's version.
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There is no true form of Batman.
 
Guzim said:
Reading those interviews just makes me realize now more than ever that no matter where the franchise goes in say 20 years or so that we will never get a truer form of Batman than Nolan's version.
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I like Nolan as well, but I am gonna tip my hat to Timm.

Unless you mean in regards to movies.
 
SanjuroTsubaki said:
There is no true form of Batman.
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Exactly. I think that's what's so great about the character. He's open to so many different interpretations to keep it fresh. I will say that IMO Nolan's is the best interpretation though.

Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Honestly, the Joker was so important and integral to The Dark Knight that I think Heath should just get the Best Actor Oscar, but I guess that's a bit too much to ask.
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You are not alone in this thinking at all.
 
DMczaf said:
Originally, at the end of that scene, once the Joker reveals his information, Christian dropped him and then, almost as an afterthought, he kicked him in the head as he walked out of the room.
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Awesome :lol
 
Penguin said:
I like Nolan as well, but I am gonna tip my hat to Timm.

Unless you mean in regards to movies.
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The thing about Timm was that he had much more room to work with since he had the ability to develop Batman's character by time using episodes to grow him. Then again sometimes I think that Timm got it right more than even the actually comics that birthed him. :lol

Now I am sad that there are no more new Batman / Justice League episodes. I really wish that Timm was doing that one Batman show with all the team-ups.
 
So after watching it 4 times in the cinema I'm gonna try to watch this with my mom tonight, but she isn't really big on shooting & action movies... I just know she's gonna think this is a cool movie though, because it's more than shooting & action..

Any good arguments? Or just keep her in the dark? :P
 
miyamotofreak said:
No. DKR is the most important superhero comic of all time (I'm counting Watchmen out of there). It changed things. Nolan's Batman would not exist had there not been DKR. And terrible comic? It's the dream Batman comic book. It's his definitive ending (DKSA is really a DCU story) and has a fight with the four dream team opponents of his (Joker, Two-Face, the City, and You Know). The plotting is excellent, the artwork unique, and thematically as interesting as TDK.
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DKR is terrible, especially in comparison to Watchmen.
 
MMaRsu said:
So after watching it 4 times in the cinema I'm gonna try to watch this with my mom tonight, but she isn't really big on shooting & action movies... I just know she's gonna think this is a cool movie though, because it's more than shooting & action..

Any good arguments? Or just keep her in the dark? :P
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In the dark!
 
MMaRsu said:
So after watching it 4 times in the cinema I'm gonna try to watch this with my mom tonight, but she isn't really big on shooting & action movies... I just know she's gonna think this is a cool movie though, because it's more than shooting & action..

Any good arguments? Or just keep her in the dark? :P
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Everyone should watch TDK.


everyone.
 
MMaRsu said:
So after watching it 4 times in the cinema I'm gonna try to watch this with my mom tonight, but she isn't really big on shooting & action movies... I just know she's gonna think this is a cool movie though, because it's more than shooting & action..

Any good arguments? Or just keep her in the dark? :P
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Maybe you should just let her watch it, and if she doesn't like it she doesn't like it.

Second time I went to see it I took a chick, and she said it was the most boring movie she's seen in ages and said Hulk was better. People are retarded
 
PhoenixDark said:
Maybe you should just let her watch it, and if she doesn't like it she doesn't like it.

Second time I went to see it I took a chick, and she said it was the most boring movie she's seen in ages and said Hulk was better. People are retarded
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Lee's Hulk?
 
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