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[Yixian]

I hate comic books, super heroes, action movies; all of that.

But Heath Ledger's performance in this movie is one of the best performances of any kind I've ever seen in cinema.

The rest of the film is fine, bar the garbage cellphone radar scene, but with Ledger's Joker this film will be remembered as a classic.

 

[Danne-Danger]

Eckhart was fine.. Two-Face is just not that interesting of a villain to revolve an entire movie around. Dent is what makes the character interesting and the origin of Two-Face, and that was wrapped up in Dark Knight.

Yeah, maybe. I think my disappointment in Eckhart may come solely from his competition in TDK (and bad memories from The Core ). Some of his line really stood out like a sore thumb to me though, "RACHEL!!!" comes to mind. And having two characters doing the growly menie voice at once was a bit too much.

 

[Error]

Yes, Heath Ledgers performance was outstanding and he will win the oscar of that Im certain, Yes there was some great scenes in the film and Yes it was very entertaining but there will also some glaring mistakes and plot holes that keep this movie from being spectacular.

I did enjoy the film but here are some things that just didn't seem right

-I think we can all agree that batman's voice needs a lot of work,
-All the mob members in the courtroom at once
- Harvey telling Racheal to get somewhere safe, Racheal responds by telling him the safest place is Bruce's penthouse?!?!?!?! One night ago, The joker broke in with his henchmen....
- The sonar cell phone bull shit was super cheesy and a very lazy way to find the joker
- Some things needed to be shown, like how the joker and the henchmen leave Bruces place, and Harvey Dent getting out of the closet. On that same note, show Harvey and Racheal getting kidnapped, in one scene there perfectly fine and the next scene we here from Commissioner Gorden that they were kidnapped.
-Why kill Two-face? In fact after the hospital blowing up and we find out later that no body was found would be perfect. The movie should have ended with a close up of the coin flipping landing on the bad side and then revealing Two face.

- I don't mind Bale's Batman voice, at all. but I can see people being put off by it.

- Well she knows that bruce is batman. So even if the joker decides to break-in on his penthouse again, he will be around to protect her. actually she was lucky bruce was around and he was able to protect her when the joker broke in. that probably showed her bruce's penthouse was the safest place in the city.

- I don't mind the sonar bit either, it showed how insane Bruce is actually (also shown when he threw Maroni from that place, breaking his legs). it also shows the dude will stop at nothing to accomplish his goal. (capture joker in this case) even if the means aren't ethically correct.

- they showed Dent being carry out by Wortz (spelling?), a crooked cop who was on Maroni's side or whatever. what more proof do you need? you didn't catch the subtle hint well, that's not the film's fault.


- why would they show joker escaping? he used Rachel to distract batman while he escaped from the penthouse, no need to show it when it was obvious.

- Joker was helping Dent get out of the hospital. Again no need to show this, it's obvious. I don't mind Two Face being dead, his arc is over so why have him around? The dude was out for revenge and that's it.

 

[BocoDragon]

Eckhart was fine.. Two-Face is just not that interesting of a villain to revolve an entire movie around. Dent is what makes the character interesting and the origin of Two-Face, and that was wrapped up in Dark Knight.

Yeah that's true.. the fascination of Two-Face really was his origin. They really nailed it in this one.... this Harvey Dent was such a realistic hero and his fall was tragic. Unlike other comic book villains who died at the end of the movies (like say... the villains in the Burton Batman and Spiderman movies), I actually thought his plot was well wrapped up, and we don't really need to see him in any sequels. This realistic Two-Face had one episode of villany before he was brought to an end, and bringing him back as a recurring villain would cheapen his character.

 

[Zeliard]

Bale's Batman voice is fine at times, but terrible at others. The logic behind it is completely sound. He uses that voice both to help his identity and to intimidate criminals, and that's fine.

The problem is, quite simply, that he overdoes it at times (with some probable computer-enhancement). Sometimes it's sort of a low-key growl, and it sounds fine then. Other times, it's distractingly loud and over-the-top.

Bale's mouth also looks goofy when he does the Batman voice. He doesn't close his mouth and over-enunciates everything, and it just looks strange, which combined with the voice adds to the distraction. I dunno.

 

[Darko]

Yeah that's true.. the fascination of Two-Face really was his origin. They really nailed it in this one.... this Harvey Dent was such a realistic hero and his fall was tragic. Unlike other comic book villains who died at the end of the movies (like say... the villains in the first two Burton Batman and Spiderman movies), I actually thought his plot was well wrapped up, and we don't really need to see him in any sequels. This realistic Two-Face had one episode of villany before he was brought to an end, and bringing him back as a recurring villain would cheapen his character.

nor would it make any sense the only person left for him to get 'revenge' on is gordon.

 

[Solo]

LAU WAS THE JOKER! IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW!

IM GOOD WIF CALCULATION

 

[BocoDragon]

nor would it make any sense the only person left for him to get 'revenge' on is gordon.

True. This is a realistic Batman universe and this version of Two-Face wouldn't turn to crime, robbing banks and such... His beefs were darkly personal.

Unlike this Two Face.

^ Really, the worst thing you could do with Two Face is introduce him as a random villain after his origin has already occured. (but you know... Shumacher Batman LOLz)

 

[Darko]

LAU WAS THE JOKER! IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW!

OMG THAT IS WHY LAU WAS ON THE TV AND NOT THERE IN PERSON
THAT IS WHY WE DONT SEE HIM BURN ON THE TOP OF TEH MONIESS
OMG MEGATON

 

[Mike Works]

all this talk about the coin flip scene a few pages back...

i wonder what would've happened if batman never tackled dent and all of the other coin flips came up lucky?

that would've been an awkward situation for everyone.

 

[Solo]

all this talk about the coin flip scene a few pages back...

i wonder what would've happened if batman never tackled dent and all of the other coin flips came up lucky?

that would've been an awkward situation for everyone.

Harvey: "best two outta three?"

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

all this talk about the coin flip scene a few pages back...

i wonder what would've happened if batman never tackled dent and all of the other coin flips came up lucky?

that would've been an awkward situation for everyone.

"You're a lucky man."

*flips coin again*


".....he is too."

"Who's that?"

"Your driver."


"Oh....well aright then."

"Yea."

*car slow to a halt*

"I guess I'll be seeing you around then."

"uh....yea, how about we grab some lunch sometime?

"Yea, that'd be great. I'll bring my wife, you'll bring....oh...yea."


awwwwwwwwwwwwwkward.

 

[Zeliard]

all this talk about the coin flip scene a few pages back...

i wonder what would've happened if batman never tackled dent and all of the other coin flips came up lucky?

that would've been an awkward situation for everyone.

Harvey stares at the coin with an incredulous expression on his face. Gordon and family quietly slip away. Harvey jumps off roof, conclusion stays the same.

 

[Jack Scofield]

Where can I get that Dark Knight artbook that some posters talked about? The one with the conceptual version of the Joker?

 

[Sanjuro]

Bale's Batman voice is fine at times, but terrible at others. The logic behind it is completely sound. He uses that voice both to help his identity and to intimidate criminals, and that's fine.

The problem is, quite simply, that he overdoes it at times (with some probable computer-enhancement). Sometimes it's sort of a low-key growl, and it sounds fine then. Other times, it's distractingly loud and over-the-top.

Bale's mouth also looks goofy when he does the Batman voice. He doesn't close his mouth and over-enunciates everything, and it just looks strange, which combined with the voice adds to the distraction. I dunno.

I've liked the voice since day one. I always imagined the voice in my head while reading the comics to be similar of sorts compared to when Bruce is talking. Also I'm not sure if it has ever been confirmed but in both suits it appears to have some sort of speaker looking device attached to the suit. In DK it is on his neck and in BB it is attached to the piece that holds the cowl/cape in place. So it could be "technically" due to a voice modulation from the suit but this all could be nonsense. However what I described is clearly there on both suits.

Where can I get that Dark Knight artbook that some posters talked about? The one with the conceptual version of the Joker?

Borders has it.

 

[Darko]

Where can I get that Dark Knight artbook that some posters talked about? The one with the conceptual version of the Joker?

amazon, search dark knight script

 

[effzee]

ok so was this answered? who were the 5 that dent killed? or the 5 deaths blamed on batman?


1. dent
2. crooked male cop
3. maroni
4. maroni's driver
5. ???

also i think at the end batman wanted the blame onto himself. before in the movie he is working towards ending himself. destroying batman by building up dent. with the loss of rachel and dents turn/death he no longer has a reason to quit. in fact like rachel's note implied...there will not be day when bruce wont need to be batman. i think by the end thats the point....he is himself the most as batman as opposed to the playboy billionaire he portrays.

also it serves a dual purpose because maroni earlier mentioned how no one is afraid of him. that they know of his one rule. by being blamed for the deaths he regains his edge in the eyes of the criminals who now can again fear him.

 

[Darko]

ok so was this answered? who were the 5 that dent killed? or the 5 deaths blamed on batman?


1. dent
2. crooked male cop (Wortz)
3. maroni
4. maroni's driver
5. cop that went in to get dent at the hospital (joker killed him)

"5 dead, two of them cops"

 

[Zeliard]

I've liked the voice since day one. I always imagined the voice in my head while reading the comics to be similar of sorts compared to when Bruce is talking. Also I'm not sure if it has ever been confirmed but in both suits it appears to have some sort of speaker looking device attached to the suit. In DK it is on his neck and in BB it is attached to the piece that holds the cowl/cape in place. So it could be "technically" due to a voice modulation from the suit but this all could be nonsense. However what I described is clearly there on both suits.

That's the fucked up thing. I don't really think people would've had a problem with the voice if the film had a short scene that either discusses or clearly shows the voice-changing device and its function. But since it just looks like Bale putting on the voice, which in the plot is technically Bruce Wayne "acting", it becomes distracting.

 

[effzee]

"5 dead, two of them cops"

i thought of that but why is that being blamed on batman? or why is it being blamed on dent?

i guess since they think dent escaped himself and dont know about the joker being in the hospital?

actually that makes sense. but then didnt he kill two cops in the hospital? one guarding the door and the other who comes back to check on him?

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

5. cop that went in to get dent at the hospital (joker killed him)

But didn't he blow up? How would they know?

 

[Shins]

The only flaw at all in Gary Oldman's otherwise excellent performance is that his accent sometimes slipped. Anyone notice that? It's odd because Oldman's American accent is usually flawless.

He really slipped up when yelling at Dent and Batman on the top of the MCU. He sounded completely different. It was a funny transition too, because the moment he dropped his voice to a normal level, it was right back into the correct accent.

That's the fucked up thing. I don't really think people would've had a problem with the voice if the film had a short scene that either discusses or clearly shows the voice-changing device and its function. But since it just looks like Bale putting on the voice, which in the plot is technically Bruce Wayne "acting", it becomes distracting.

I wish it really was a voice modulator, and they could get Kevin Conroy to come in to voice Batman. <3

 

[Darko]

But didn't he blow up? How would they know?

the fuck should I know :lol , thats pretty much the only logical explaination unless he killed another cop offscreen or there was an alternate take of the ramirez scene.

 

[Zeliard]

He really slipped up when yelling at Dent and Batman on the top of the MCU. He sounded completely different. It was a funny transition too, because the moment he dropped his voice to a normal level, it was right back into the correct accent.

Yeah, that scene was where I really noticed it. Before I saw TDK, Gary Oldman was on Conan promoting it. The scene they showed was that scene on top where he was yelling at Dent. Oldman was using his regular English accent during the Conan interview, and when they showed that scene, I heard the accent clearly at times in his Gordon voice.

 

[Ashhong]

"5 dead, two of them cops"

actually, the joker killed 2 cops in the hospital. one was supposed to already be with dent. thats y the second cop came running in, because the 1st one was dead and not answering the radio.

anyway, i think gordon says the 5 that harvey killed, not the 5 that hes putting on batman, so i dont think dent counts as 1...

edit: shit, beaten. well what about guards infront of gordons wifes house? im sure there were some ppl there..

 

[Sanjuro]

1. Officer at hospital.
2. Officer at hospital.
3. Wortz
4. Maroni
5. Maroni's driver

I think people are looking into this bit too much. Could have been a goof or a miscalculation from Gordon possibly not knowing about the bar.

 

[Masked Man]

I don't text, so I don't know, but the part where Gordon gets a text from Bruce Wayne, there's a number at the top of his cell phone. Is that a real number?

It isn't. I tried calling it to no avail.

(Wikipedia notes that it's actually an unused area code, so... there you go.)

Yeah, I hate to say it, but playing the Joker was probably taxing on Ledger's mental health. He locked himself up in an apartment to get ready for the role, and tried to delve into the Joker's psychology. Look at this interview Ledger gave just two months before his death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKa-aDga1fE

He literally could not stop twitching. And then you've got the stories about him complaining about lack of sleep, and then he dies from a mix of shit that was likely intended to get him to sleep.

;_;

Heath. <333

I saw it on the weekend and I hate to spoil on the fun but it really was an above average film at best, not the "masterpiece' some people are claiming it to be or even the best picture of year (there is still a long ways to go before the year is up)

blahblahblah.

 

[Darko]

actually, the joker killed 2 cops in the hospital. one was supposed to already be with dent. thats y the second cop came running in, because the 1st one was dead and not answering the radio.

anyway, i think gordon says the 5 that harvey killed, not the 5 that hes putting on batman, so i dont think dent counts as 1...

I know but they may not have known about one, or gordon could be counting both officers and not dent... which would make '2 cops' not make sense

 

[Randy Lanzarote]

5 people are dead because they are related the the Harvey Dent/Two-Face case, not necessarily because he killed them.

The two cops killed at the hospital, if they try to pin that on The Joker then the truth about what has taken place will start to come out. They need to distance Joker and Dent as much as possible if this cover-up is to work.

 

[Darko]

5 people are dead because they are related the the Harvey Dent/Two-Face case, not necessarily because he killed them.

The two cops killed at the hospital, if they try to pin that on The Joker then the truth about what has taken place will start to come out. They need to distance Joker and Dent as much as possible if this cover-up is to work.

They didnt know joker was at the hospital, they were all surprised to find out a bus was missing. They thought he was at the harbour remember? Maroni tells Gordon where to find the joker but before they can storm in Joker threatens the hospitals and all the police go to the hospitals instead.

 

[JzeroT1437]

It does have its share of errors. Maroni is shown on a cane only days after Batman breaks his legs, and the SWAT team seems completely unbothered by the fact that doctors are just meandering around the unfinished building at the end--even if the SWAT team understood there to be doctor hostages, it doesn't explain why they would just expect them to be wandering around freely.

It's a great movie nonetheless, but its still got continuity errors.

 

[Randy Lanzarote]

They didnt know joker was at the hospital, they were all surprised to find out a bus was missing. They thought he was at the harbour remember? Maroni tells Gordon where to find the joker but before they can storm in Joker threatens the hospitals and all the police go to the hospitals instead.

By this point they must know that the Joker was at the hospital. For one the hostages in the unfinished building are the ones from the bus that was reported missing. The Joker's goons are wearing the uniforms from the abducted medical staff who were on the bus, and one of the swat team radios it back to command at one point (or batman does... I forget which). They even have Mike Engels there who was only recently shown on tv in one of the Joker's video messages. I'm sure by that point they've put two and two together regarding two-face's disappearance, two missing police officers who were at the scene of the explosion, and the Joker's whereabouts when the hospital went *boom*.

 

[Hellsing321]

"5 dead, two of them cops"

What about the cop who was watching dent while that cop went to get a bus for him? The Joker must have killed him/knocked him out which would have killed him in the blast.

Edit: Beaten to death.

 

[Darko]

By this point they must know that the Joker was at the hospital. For one the hostages in the unfinished building are the ones from the bus that was reported missing. The Joker's goons are wearing the uniforms from the abducted medical staff who were on the bus, and one of the swat team radios it back to command at one point (or batman does... I forget which). They even have Mike Engels there who was only recently shown on tv in one of the Joker's video messages. I'm sure by that point they've put two and two together regarding two-face's disappearance, two missing police officers who were at the scene of the explosion, and the Joker's whereabouts when the hospital went *boom*.

true, there are way to many possiblities due to the way they edited the movie, and what was shown on screen, if they dont count the hospital cops I dont know who the other cop he killed could be.

 

[jett]

NM

 

[beelzebozo]

It does have its share of errors. Maroni is shown on a cane only days after Batman breaks his legs, and the SWAT team seems completely unbothered by the fact that doctors are just meandering around the unfinished building at the end--even if the SWAT team understood there to be doctor hostages, it doesn't explain why they would just expect them to be wandering around freely.

he doesn't break his legs. i thought it was pretty clear that he just broke his ankle, which, if set and splinted, would be walkable with a cane in a few days i imagine, if you took it easy on it. the doctors moving around could be construed as panic, swat interpreting it as hostages trying to get away from the scene. that sort of misinterpretation lasts long enough for the phony doctors to squeeze off some shots.

there may be some continuity errors, but i'm not sure these are them

 

[Frank the Great]

Does this look better guys?

Trying to get better with PS >_<

 

[Zeliard]

Does this look better guys?

Trying to get better with PS >_<

That doesn't look like Johnny Depp.

 

[Escape Goat]

Does this look better guys?

Trying to get better with PS >_<

I think youre overdoing it.

 

[Mar]

After hearing all the hype this movie was getting, and everyone saying "omg it's dark and arty and not like a normal super hero movie at all wow!" comments I finally went and seen it.

Boy, was I disappointed. The best part was when it was finally over.

The first few opening scenes actually made me think it was going to be good. But then it quickly went down the route of a cliche filled action tour de force with nothing at all to keep me interested. The guy who played Batman was absolutely horrible, and I really couldn't wait for it to be over. Unfortunately, it went for what seemed like an eternity.

The most painful scene for me was the big supposed moral ethical human dilemma question thing of "will working whitey blow up the evil convict black guys, or the other way around!?!". Then WOW, the big black dude was the first to show he cares! Amazing! Black guys are human after all! Give me a break...

Heath Ledger's Joker was the movies only saving grace, he was great.

 

[Darko]

That doesn't look like Johnny Depp.

Fuck Johnny Depp.

After hearing all the hype this movie was getting, and everyone saying "omg it's dark and arty and not like a normal super hero movie at all wow!" comments I finally went and seen it.

Boy, was I disappointed. The best part was when it was finally over.

The first few opening scenes actually made me think it was going to be good. But then it quickly went down the route of a cliche filled action tour de force with nothing at all to keep me interested. The guy who played Batman was absolutely horrible, and I really couldn't wait for it to be over. Unfortunately, it went for what seemed like an eternity.

The most painful scene for me was the big supposed moral ethical human dilemma question thing of "will working whitey blow up the evil convict black guys, or the other way around!?!". Then WOW, the big black dude was the first to show he cares! Amazing! Black guys are human after all! Give me a break...

Heath Ledger's Joker was the movies only saving grace, he was great.

 

[The Librarian]

Just saw this movie a week ago.

It sucked.

 

[Exclamation-One]

I saw it on the weekend and I hate to spoil on the fun but it really was an above average film at best

After hearing all the hype this movie was getting, and everyone saying "omg it's dark and arty and not like a normal super hero movie at all wow!" comments I finally went and seen it.

Boy, was I disappointed. The best part was when it was finally over.

The first few opening scenes actually made me think it was going to be good. But then it quickly went down the route of a cliche filled action tour de force with nothing at all to keep me interested. The guy who played Batman was absolutely horrible, and I really couldn't wait for it to be over. Unfortunately, it went for what seemed like an eternity.

The most painful scene for me was the big supposed moral ethical human dilemma question thing of "will working whitey blow up the evil convict black guys, or the other way around!?!". Then WOW, the big black dude was the first to show he cares! Amazing! Black guys are human after all! Give me a break...

Heath Ledger's Joker was the movies only saving grace, he was great.

Just saw this movie a week ago.

It sucked.

 

[Christopher]

my turn to contribute something nerdy - do you guys like that one for the home video release? I think it fits the theme of Batman Begins home release.

 

[Zeliard]

Fuck Johnny Depp.

Fuck anyone that isn't Johnny Depp playing the Riddler. He's made to play that part.

After hearing all the hype this movie was getting, and everyone saying "omg it's dark and arty and not like a normal super hero movie at all wow!" comments I finally went and seen it.

Boy, was I disappointed. The best part was when it was finally over.

 

[Escape Goat]

The most painful scene for me was the big supposed moral ethical human dilemma question thing of "will working whitey blow up the evil convict black guys, or the other way around!?!". Then WOW, the big black dude was the first to show he cares! Amazing! Black guys are human after all! Give me a break...

Way to focus on the stereotypes and miss the total purpose of those scenes.

 

[SketchTheArtist]

After hearing all the hype this movie was getting, and everyone saying "omg it's dark and arty and not like a normal super hero movie at all wow!" comments I finally went and seen it.

Boy, was I disappointed. The best part was when it was finally over.

The first few opening scenes actually made me think it was going to be good. But then it quickly went down the route of a cliche filled action tour de force with nothing at all to keep me interested. The guy who played Batman was absolutely horrible, and I really couldn't wait for it to be over. Unfortunately, it went for what seemed like an eternity.

The most painful scene for me was the big supposed moral ethical human dilemma question thing of "will working whitey blow up the evil convict black guys, or the other way around!?!". Then WOW, the big black dude was the first to show he cares! Amazing! Black guys are human after all! Give me a break...

Heath Ledger's Joker was the movies only saving grace, he was great.

If I was in front of you, I'd kiss you. On the lips. While holding your ass tightely in my hands.

Thank god I'm not alone. I was beginning to think I was in crazy land. ;-)

 

[Darko]

Fuck anyone that isn't Johnny Depp playing the Riddler. He's made to play that part.

I like Depp, but hes too obvious of a choice.

my turn to contribute something nerdy - do you guys like that one for the home video release? I think it fits the theme of Batman Begins home release.

needs more blue.

 

[Penguin]

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/ChrisRuss0/3676.jpg
my turn to contribute something nerdy - do you guys like that one for the home video release? I think it fits the theme of Batman Begins home release.

Personally, I wish they went back to the Batman style.
Just use the blue logo.
And I think the cover would focus on Batman and the Joker.

Was there any poster that focused on just those two?

 

[BocoDragon]

The most painful scene for me was the big supposed moral ethical human dilemma question thing of "will working whitey blow up the evil convict black guys, or the other way around!?!". Then WOW, the big black dude was the first to show he cares! Amazing! Black guys are human after all! Give me a break...

This must be a joke post but I'll bite. You gotta love how you just can't win in regard to black portrayals. If black people do evil things it's racist, if black people do heroic things it's pandering reverse racism. Also, who noticed or cared that he was black? Only this poster.