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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD
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beelzebozo
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yeah right, a selfless black person. give me a break!
BocoDragon said:
Why concentrate on the black guy? You did notice that on the other side it was a white working bald guy in a suit right?
I won't argue that the film makers point (I assume) was that in the face of chaos (the joker), that all levels of society can act accordingly. But they didn't need to beat you over the head with the obviousness of the societal themes. Nor the outcome.
The Librarian
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The last post of the last page was in jest.
JzeroT1437
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I think the series has reached its pinnacle--they've tackled the two characters that are polarized exaggerations of the Batman persona (two-face and the joker). I'd be happy if they stopped here, even if they aren't going to. TDK is going to be the measuring stick for all other superhero movies from now on, I'd imagine.
JzeroT1437
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Solo said:
I hope you're right.
The Librarian
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Heretic.Solo said:
The Librarian
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Heretic...?Darko said:
JzeroT1437 said:
Just look at this decade.
- X-Men came out in 2000, rejuvenated the genre, became the highwater mark
- Spider-Man came out in 2002, did the same thing X-Men did, but on a much larger scale and was a much bigger success
- X2 came out in 2003, and it was the new top dog
- Spider-Man 2 came out in 2004, and blew away all previous comic book flicks
- Batman Begins came out in 2005, and one-upped Spidey
- The Dark Knight comes out in 2008 and usurps the title
And at least half of those movies are now considered mediocre at best. Its not a stretch to think that something will come out in the next 2-3 years that will top TDK.
Solo said:
I don't think there's anything coming out for a while that comes close, unfortunately. Marvel's sort of a wasteland outside Iron Man and Warner Bros./DC take a long time to get projects going.
Although we all know that when the Bone movie gets made, it will unite mankind for a better tomorrow.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Christopher said:
my turn to contribute something nerdy - do you guys like that one for the home video release? I think it fits the theme of Batman Begins home release.
Try using these:
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=269430&page=20
Darko said:
Just a guess. 3 years sounds about right since it was 3 from BB to TDK. I threw 4 up there too because I have a feeling that if Nolan does a third one (which I think he will), he will end up doing TWO movies in between this time (The Prisoner maybe, and something else), rather than just one. All speculation, obviously.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Dax01 said:
Just saw your mom a week ago.
It sucked.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Now that you've brought race into this, any attempt to argue against you in detail makes us all look stupid. I see black and white characters all through this movie (and other movies) and they're in various positions of heroes/villains. There could be racial themes there, deliberate or unconsious, or there might absolutely NOT be and it's all you son.Mar_ said:
Well, I finally saw this.
I have mixed feelings. On one hand, as a comic book fan, and Batman fan, I thought it was awesome. Enough has been said about the Joker, etc., we all know it rocked.
However, the real problem I had with the movie was the editing and pacing. The movie starts at level 9 and kind of stays at level 9 the entire time. After a while I felt kind of numb. And, despite all the amazing stuff on screen, I started to find myself a bit bored towards the end. It's almost like there was an overabundance of good ideas - OK, have him go to Hong Kong, cool, oh, how about someone at Wayne discovers the research, oh, and let's get two face in at the end, oh, don't forget about scarecrow, etc etc. Even with the movie's generous length, I felt things were crammed in/rushed.
Batman Begins was the better flick for me.
I have mixed feelings. On one hand, as a comic book fan, and Batman fan, I thought it was awesome. Enough has been said about the Joker, etc., we all know it rocked.
However, the real problem I had with the movie was the editing and pacing. The movie starts at level 9 and kind of stays at level 9 the entire time. After a while I felt kind of numb. And, despite all the amazing stuff on screen, I started to find myself a bit bored towards the end. It's almost like there was an overabundance of good ideas - OK, have him go to Hong Kong, cool, oh, how about someone at Wayne discovers the research, oh, and let's get two face in at the end, oh, don't forget about scarecrow, etc etc. Even with the movie's generous length, I felt things were crammed in/rushed.
Batman Begins was the better flick for me.
Masked Man
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Mar_ said:
(That thing is so useful. Thanks to whomever posted it!)
Teh Hamburglar said:
Precisely.
Xdrive05
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The thing about Mister Reese being the Riddler....
He knows Batman's true identity. How could that work out with him as a villian?
And he also knows that Batman/Bruce saved his life with the Lamborghini accident when Bruce nodded at him in acknowledgment.
So Reese should be on good terms with Batman/Bruce. What would be the point of the villainy here?
He knows Batman's true identity. How could that work out with him as a villian?
And he also knows that Batman/Bruce saved his life with the Lamborghini accident when Bruce nodded at him in acknowledgment.
So Reese should be on good terms with Batman/Bruce. What would be the point of the villainy here?
BeautifulMemory
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Xdrive05 said:
In Hush
Riddler figured out Batman's identity and plotted against him, and also taunted Batman with his "superior" knowledge
Solo said:
I think the difference here is that where all of those movies one upped each other, they were still all basically doing the same thing (Begins to a lesser extent): being tentpole comic book movies.
TDK is an entirely different beast. It's not only the greatest comic book film, but it's also one of the best crime dramas in the last twenty years. Unless its success leaves a big enough impression on Hollywood producers, I don't think most of them will sway from their safe popcorn selling action extravaganzas. In which case, the only comic book movie coming down the road in the forseeable future that has any chance of topping TDK, would be another Nolan helmed Batman.
beelzebozo
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Snaku said:
there are moments in it that remind me very much of heat, oddly enough
Perhaps, but producers and studios will take not of TDK's success and try to emulate it - thats the Hollywood way. So dont be surprised if the next wave of comic book movies tries to be more complex, deeper, and more mature. Whether the actual comics themselves warrant such a treatment or have any depth to explore in the first place is another matter.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
and the blue filters. and the face-to-face sit down between the two principle cast members where philosophies are discussed. and the bank robbery at the beginning feels very heat to me (may be fichtner playing a similar role)
Battersea Power Station
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Just some arbitrarily-chosen thoughts:
- The Joker created in TDK is so good that the character deserves continuation in a sequel. However, out of respect for Ledger's work, no one should attempt it.
- One possibility is to have Harley Quinn show up and take up The Joker's "cause," although I dislike most female actresses and have serious doubts in anyone I can think of trying to pull off the role.
- Nolan won't want to lose himself in the world of action blockbusters and will opt out of the next Batman movie, choosing to return to original films.
- The Joker created in TDK is so good that the character deserves continuation in a sequel. However, out of respect for Ledger's work, no one should attempt it.
- One possibility is to have Harley Quinn show up and take up The Joker's "cause," although I dislike most female actresses and have serious doubts in anyone I can think of trying to pull off the role.
- Nolan won't want to lose himself in the world of action blockbusters and will opt out of the next Batman movie, choosing to return to original films.
beelzebozo said:
Definately. I just touched on the similarities thematically, but yeah, theres a boatload stylistically too. Heat was the film that inspired Nolan to make TDK the way he did though, so I guess thats to be expected.
That said, I still can never even remotely feel the Blade Runner influence on BB. Aside from lots of rain, I dont see many similarities in any way.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
i don't see that either.
Christopher
BDE (Big Dad Energy)
Solo said:
blah I was going for somethign that matched this, and no this was not the one sheet
UltimaPooh
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Pakkidis said:
Entirely possible. She was trying not to slide down and he was purposely doing so. Also he was putting himself in an areodynamic position to get to her.
Perhaps they took extra measures after the place was broke into? They weren't expecting the Joker the first time. Plus Rachel know's he's Bataman, so yeah I would say it's the safest place.
Not needed. It's a waste of time. Joker didn't find Dent there, his hencmen's asses were kicked by the Batman, he needed to get out of there and he did. All that is needed to infer this is that you seem him in another scene free as a bird. Dent would obviously be let out after the cops get there. You don't need to see them being kidnapped if you are told they were kidnapped. Again it's a waste of time and would slow the movie down even further.
Im sorry but that sounds horrible as an ending. Two-Face was done well. He served his purpose in this movie, he's a tragic character, not another terrorist like the Joker.
Sir Alemeth
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Just came back from watching the film. I'm gonna have to echo what some of the people are saying here, so don't hate.
After all the hype and praises for the film being the BEST EVER, I went in expecting it to blow me away...it didn't, except the Joker.
The movie was great, don't get me wrong, I just don't think it's the best Batman, or superhero for that matter, movie ever. There were some problems with the pacing and editing, and my personal gripe, not enough Bruce Wayne scenes where he interacts with others...instead, we get 1000 shots of him in front of his computers.
In short, I give the Joker in this film a 10/10...the movie, 8/10.
Too bad Heath died, the ending totally left it open for the Joker to return in the sequels.
After all the hype and praises for the film being the BEST EVER, I went in expecting it to blow me away...it didn't, except the Joker.
The movie was great, don't get me wrong, I just don't think it's the best Batman, or superhero for that matter, movie ever. There were some problems with the pacing and editing, and my personal gripe, not enough Bruce Wayne scenes where he interacts with others...instead, we get 1000 shots of him in front of his computers.
In short, I give the Joker in this film a 10/10...the movie, 8/10.
Too bad Heath died, the ending totally left it open for the Joker to return in the sequels.
I totally agree its not the BEST FILM EVER (really, I don't think as many people are saying this as the late coming critics seem to think), but I really won't ever be able to come to terms with the individuals who don't even think it's the best BATMAN film. It's so far beyond the other Batman movies in so many categories that it's almost a shame to even have to compare the two. The previous Bat flicks were fluff compared to this meaty and complex criminal action thriller.
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