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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD

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RiskyChris said:
This is the prestige and memento guy? O_o
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Yep. No surprise it turned out so fucking great, eh? That's what happens when you take a director/writer like Christopher Nolan (and his underrated brother) and have him do comic book movies. He elevated the entire genre to a new level of artistry and respectability.
 
LTTP but holy shit! I'm still can't even find the words to express how impressive this film was, and even more so Ledger's performance. 25 years, 1000s of movies watched in that time and I would be hard pressed to find one example of one person taking over his role and the entire fucking film as much as Ledger as The Joker. They might as well nix the Joker character from the DC universe altogether, across all mediums because no writer, illustrator, game developer, or actor could ever take the character to the levels off utter perfection as Heath Ledger did. His performance will be the benchmark that I hold actors/actresses to for a very very long time.

WOW
 
Nameless said:
LTTP but holy shit! I'm still can't even find the words to express how impressive this film was, and even more so Ledger's performance. 25 years, 1000s of movies watched in that time and I would be hard pressed to find one example of one person taking over his role and the entire fucking film as much as Ledger as The Joker. They might as well nix the Joker character from the DC universe altogether, across all mediums because no writer, illustrator, game developer, or actor could ever take the character to the levels off utter perfection as Heath Ledger did. His performance will be the benchmark that I hold actors/actresses to for a very very long time.

WOW
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Wrong. The Killing Joke version of him was already perfection. However, Ledger's Joker is as good as Moore's.

TAS version is a close second, so....TKJ=TDK>TAS>Every other version of the Joker.
 
Greatness Gone said:
Wrong. The Killing Joke version of him was already perfection. However, Ledger's Joker is as good as Moore's.
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I'd go as far to say the reason that Ledger's Joker was so good is because it is lifted straight from The Killing Joke. His introduction seems like it was from the first appearance of The Joker, however later in the movie he sort of morphs into Moore's version, especially with the emphasis on "All it takes is one bad day".



On a related note I just sat down and watched Batman Begins for the first time in quite a while and.... I'm glad that they took screenwriting duties away from David Goyer. I get the impression that whereas the first half is very much a Nolan film (especially given the flashbacks and out of order narrative) the second half feels very rushed, with very little thought (or perhaps too much!) given to the League of Shadow's plan.

Regardless, seeing Batman's origin story on screen more than makes up for "I work in the water hub at Wayne tower and I'm going to narrate what the fudge is going on whilst the train is speeding towards us!". :p
 
Masked Man said:
I try, haha. But--in all seriousness--I do believe that FFVII is probably the closest that a game has come to matching the level of engagement brought on by a film, and it's easily one of my favorite games of all time.
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Then I guess video games have hell of a way to go. Sesame Street has better dialouge and plotlines than FFVII.
 
Just got back from watching the second time. I liked it even more the second time through - there's a lot of foreshadowing and subtle character work in there I didn't pick up on the first time. One moment was when Harvey asks Alfred if he's known Rachel her whole life, and he replies, "Not yet." It gets a laugh in the theater, but on the second viewing - knowing what happens later - I found it really poignant and sad.

And something struck me about the very ending that I haven't seen mentioned. The way the boy yells, "Batman!" as he's running away, and then cuts to a shot of the boy and he calls it again. "Batman!"

It reminded me of the ending of the western Shane, with the little boy yelling "Shane!" over and over. Nolan didn't have it repeated fifty times over, but I thought it was clearly an homage.
 
Loved it fuck I loved it so much.

I really didn't like joker too much before I mean riddler's my favorite villain but man did I love Nolan's Joker. That director/writers are freaking brilliant.
 
GhaleonEB said:
And something struck me about the very ending that I haven't seen mentioned. The way the boy yells, "Batman!" as he's running away, and then cuts to a shot of the boy and he calls it again. "Batman!"

It reminded me of the ending of the western Shane, with the little boy yelling "Shane!" over and over. Nolan didn't have it repeated fifty times over, but I thought it was clearly an homage.
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My friends love it when I impersonate this kid's voice.
 
Cheebs said:
Then I guess video games have hell of a way to go. Sesame Street has better dialouge and plotlines than FFVII.
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Videogames have had obvious improvements, but even with that being said, rarely was I as captivated by a game than FFVII ever since. The 'level of engagement' I felt has never been really reached again. It was awe inspiring stuff when it was release with everything and it's tech that was so fresh and new then.

Years of gaming has left me more expectant things and less obsessed over videogames, and yet never have I ever felt like I had back in 1997 as a teenager. It's simply something I can't really 'feel' like that ever again. Everything just more old hat now with extreme refinements.

It was a such a palpable and I can even say almost entranced feeling back in the day for videogames for me that has never been equaled. Like getting a high but never getting back to that same feeling no matter how good the new stuff is.
 
jett said:
Protip: The Killing Joke sucks.
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I thought you were supposed to see the joker under scarecrows gas effect? I was waiting for it like the whole movie.

Good film. I enjoyed it (except bat bike wheelie flip off the wall. WTF was that shit). The dread in the joker monologue scenes was palpable.
 
Duderz said:
Now it works.

Seriously, the comic is much better if you skip those pages.
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Wrong.

"Sometimes I remember it one way. Sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" - TKJ Joker
 
Greatness Gone said:
Wrong.

"Sometimes I remember it one way. Sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" - TKJ Joker
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The whole "Do you know how I got these scars?" alternative stories show that. That's what you're getting at, yeah?
 
scola said:
I thought you were supposed to see the joker under scarecrows gas effect? I was waiting for it like the whole movie.
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Yea I was too. I thought it would have been pretty sweet to see the gas not effect the Joker one bit. Also, I thought the bike up the wall was pretty silly myself. Other than that though, the movie was top fucking notch. In my top 3 ever. You have good opinions my friend.
 
How else do you not get into a horrible crash with the staging of how he flipped the truck? He probably isn't rounding that turn. Anyway, it could have just left that unexplained, but I don't mind the flip. At least Batman has a few bad ass/glorious moments in a film that Joker otherwise dominates him in
 
J2 Cool said:
How else do you not get into a horrible crash with the staging of how he flipped the truck? He probably isn't rounding that turn. Anyway, it could have just left that unexplained, but I don't mind the flip. At least Batman has a few bad ass/glorious moments in a film that Joker otherwise dominates him in
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Does Harvey know about you and his little 'Bunnny'?!
 
jett said:
Protip: The Killing Joke sucks.
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Wrong. Just because Alan Moore doesn't love it doesn't mean it sucks. He doesn't even hate it he was just disappointed he could only tell a Batman & Joker story and not have anything else to offer the tale as he normally does.
 
i don't like the killing joke that much either. it's okay, but i've been habitually disappointed with the batman comics that i've read.
 
beelzebozo said:
i don't like the killing joke that much either. it's okay, but i've been habitually disappointed with the batman comics that i've read.
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It's not the best but it is a good tale. I would recommend reading Batman: Black & White Vol. 1-3. There is always something to like in them as they are various short stories by all sorts of comic writers/artists.
 
there is definitely stuff to like in the most acclaimed batman comics (the killing joke, dark knight returns, etc.). but, again--i'm not trying to be a dope or anything, as i love comics--but none of them seem to strike the right balance with batman that i'm looking for. the ones that want to take the character and mythos seriously seem to take it to an extreme blackness and bizarreness of art style that turns me off, and the stuff that brings the right art style to strike my fancy never lives up to my expectations where writing is concerned.

i guess that's sort of why i am so enthusiastic about the film portrayal of the character: at least, to me, it strikes a very nice balance between light and dark, and art style is a concern thrown out altogether and replaced with costume/set design and cinematography.
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
Videogames have had obvious improvements, but even with that being said, rarely was I as captivated by a game than FFVII ever since. The 'level of engagement' I felt has never been really reached again. It was awe inspiring stuff when it was release with everything and it's tech that was so fresh and new then.

Years of gaming has left me more expectant things and less obsessed over videogames, and yet never have I ever felt like I had back in 1997 as a teenager. It's simply something I can't really 'feel' like that ever again. Everything just more old hat now with extreme refinements.

It was a such a palpable and I can even say almost entranced feeling back in the day for videogames for me that has never been equaled. Like getting a high but never getting back to that same feeling no matter how good the new stuff is.
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You should really go back and play it. It is reaaaally cheesy now. 1997 had different expectations. Which is why I found it absurd when FFVII was compared to the TDK in its script/plot in terms of quality.
 
Cheebs said:
You should really go back and play it. It is reaaaally cheesy now. 1997 had different expectations. Which is why I found it absurd when FFVII was compared to the TDK in its script/plot in terms of quality.
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What has the world come to :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
:lol @ this becoming the Dark Knight Final Fantasy VII SPOILER COMPARISON THREAD.

FF7 WAS an excellent game with an excellent story (filled with holes, but still excellent), but can someone please tell me how in gods name the two are being compared?
 
Link648099 said:
:lol @ this becoming the Dark Knight Final Fantasy VII SPOILER COMPARISON THREAD.

FF7 WAS an excellent game with an excellent story (filled with holes, but still excellent), but can someone please tell me how in gods name the two are being compared?
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I said there aren't any video games that compare to films like this in plot/dialouge when someone called this the "mgs4 of movies". Someone replied with FFVII and then tried to defend that claim like a page ago. Absurdity BEGINS!
 
The Killing Joke is not a Batman story, it's mainly about Joker and in the end about their peculiar relationship.


HomerSimpson-Man said:
Videogames have had obvious improvements, but even with that being said, rarely was I as captivated by a game than FFVII ever since. The 'level of engagement' I felt has never been really reached again. It was awe inspiring stuff when it was release with everything and it's tech that was so fresh and new then.

Years of gaming has left me more expectant things and less obsessed over videogames, and yet never have I ever felt like I had back in 1997 as a teenager. It's simply something I can't really 'feel' like that ever again. Everything just more old hat now with extreme refinements.

It was a such a palpable and I can even say almost entranced feeling back in the day for videogames for me that has never been equaled. Like getting a high but never getting back to that same feeling no matter how good the new stuff is.
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Play it again, really, it's still a great game but no where near what nostalgia makes it up to be. But most importantly no where near the quality of a good movie script.
 
The Killing Joke was just lame. Not bad or great, just very lame.


And what was with that addendum at the end that had nothing to do with the Killing Joke where
batman gets a bullet in the head and fucking dies
? I flipped to the end of TKJ in the bookstore the other day and I saw that shit and was like wtf?! I had to check the cover again
 
_leech_ said:
I'm surprising no one said or noticed anything, it's not like he tried to hide the scars.
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Remember, though, that The Joker (and his henchmen) kidnapped the ENTIRE firing squad, so that entire group wouldn't have said a word. And, given that everyone was so focused on the mayor (thanks to the preemptive obituary) and keeping him safe from the outside, no one was really expecting an attack from "within."

Cheebs said:
I said there aren't any video games that compare to films like this in plot/dialouge when someone called this the "mgs4 of movies". Someone replied with FFVII and then tried to defend that claim like a page ago. Absurdity BEGINS!
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The ";P" implies a joke. :lol I tossed out FFVII because it's one of those games that gets cited as THE EPIC GAME. I also clarified that I do think it's a great game, but not on the same level. So chill out. ;P
 
Guzim said:
I think the scene where he's not wearing the make-up is the scariest Joker looks in the movie since you were not expecting him at all without the make-up.
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Yeah, it made you look REALLY hard at the screen for a moment
 
beelzebozo said:
there is definitely stuff to like in the most acclaimed batman comics (the killing joke, dark knight returns, etc.). but, again--i'm not trying to be a dope or anything, as i love comics--but none of them seem to strike the right balance with batman that i'm looking for. the ones that want to take the character and mythos seriously seem to take it to an extreme blackness and bizarreness of art style that turns me off, and the stuff that brings the right art style to strike my fancy never lives up to my expectations where writing is concerned.

i guess that's sort of why i am so enthusiastic about the film portrayal of the character: at least, to me, it strikes a very nice balance between light and dark, and art style is a concern thrown out altogether and replaced with costume/set design and cinematography.
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I agree. I've only read a few Batman books (Year One, Year Two, A Death in the Family, The Killing Joke, and Arkham Asylum.) While I've found them somewhat entertaining I'd say they have been a bit of a disappointment overall. As you point out there are interesting aspects in all of these books, but as an overall package I'm not that impressed with what I read and it's certainly put me off buying any more Batman graphic novels. I don't want to upset the comic book fans but I far prefer the Batman that Nolan has created and would be happy if DC created a new line of Batman comic set entirely in Nolan’s Gotham once these Nolan films are finished.
 
Why does Batman use his "growly voice" when talking to Lucius Fox at the end, when he's handing over the cell phone sonar contraption? It didn't occur to me before but the second time through I was waiting for Fox to say, "Bruce, I know it's you. You can drop the raspy voice now."
 
NutJobJim said:
I agree. I've only read a few Batman books (Year One, Year Two, A Death in the Family, The Killing Joke, and Arkham Asylum.) While I've found them somewhat entertaining I'd say they have been a bit of a disappointment overall. As you point out there are interesting aspects in all of these books, but as an overall package I'm not that impressed with what I read and it's certainly put me off buying any more Batman graphic novels. I don't want to upset the comic book fans but I far prefer the Batman that Nolan has created and would be happy if DC created a new line of Batman comic set entirely in Nolan’s Gotham once these Nolan films are finished.
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Year One sucks, Year Two is horrible, A Death in the Family sucks, TKJ is amazing, and Arkham Asylum has nice art, but it's horrible. In fact, I think that all of the Batman comics are horrendous, save for TKJ, Black & White, and The Long Halloween.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Why does Batman use his "growly voice" when talking to Lucius Fox at the end, when he's handing over the cell phone sonar contraption? It didn't occur to me before but the second time through I was waiting for Fox to say, "Bruce, I know it's you. You can drop the raspy voice now."
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I figured he was more concerned about the ultra-surveillance Batman had created.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Why does Batman use his "growly voice" when talking to Lucius Fox at the end, when he's handing over the cell phone sonar contraption? It didn't occur to me before but the second time through I was waiting for Fox to say, "Bruce, I know it's you. You can drop the raspy voice now."
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Kind of goes to show how Wayne has become so obsessed with the Batman character, in case the city wide surveillance didn't tip you off ;]
 
Hmm, I keep thinking about some scenes from TDK which have been not mentioned yet, or little anyway.

- Bruce at the party getting ready to dress up as Batman. You see Bruce walking with a gun, gunslapping people who get in his way. Looks so cool.

- Joker with his out of the car window. So awesome.

- Joker going crazy when Batman is lying on the ground after he crashes with the BatPod. The Joker's reaction is so cool. Couldn't find it on YouTube though. Anyone able to make a GIF of that?
 
Greatness Gone said:
Year One sucks, Year Two is horrible, A Death in the Family sucks, TKJ is amazing, and Arkham Asylum has nice art, but it's horrible. In fact, I think that all of the Batman comics are horrendous, save for TKJ, Black & White, and The Long Halloween.
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I liked TKJ best as well. I really liked some parts of Arkham Asylum as well, including the art, but it all got a little too trippy/weird at times. I plan to read Long Halloween, Hush, and TDKR next, although I think I stupidly may have spoiled both Hush and TDKR by reading the Wikipedia synopsis for both :lol
 
Just thinking back on the movie a bit, the only thing I really didn't like was the whole sonar imaging thing. Not only was it a bit cheesy, but for 2 hours Nolan did an amazing job establishing real tension and paranoia around The Joker's siege on Gotham--and then in the 11th hour Wayne suddenly develops this 'magical' technology that leads him right to the Joker. Lucius' response to it was sort of meh, as well. He knows what type of man Wayne is better than anyone save for Albert, and yet with the lives of massive amounts of people in the balance hes reluctant to help because the tech could be used in ways Wayne has not intention of using.

Not a film breaker by any stretch but a slight blemish on an otherwise flawless flick.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Why does Batman use his "growly voice" when talking to Lucius Fox at the end, when he's handing over the cell phone sonar contraption? It didn't occur to me before but the second time through I was waiting for Fox to say, "Bruce, I know it's you. You can drop the raspy voice now."
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His throath was still strangled by the batsuit.

He can't help it man.
 
ok, now folks i have seen this movie just ONCE and i cant get the following scenes out of my head, TDK is messing with my head, i need to view it again


1. Hit me!
2. You know how i got these scars? (thug)
3. You know how i got these scars? (maggie)
4. we are tonight's entertainment! where is harvey dent
5. Joker: I like it (smacking lips), Batman: then you will love me
6. I cant kill you because ur too much fun
7. six?
8. this town is mine now!


damn it
 
Pizza Luigi said:
His throath was still strangled by the batsuit.

He can't help it man.
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that doesnt explain why he used the batvoice to rachel, when he didnt have the suit on.

artredis1980 said:
8. this town is mine now!
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my personal favorite, wish there was more of that side of him in the film

*throws knife to goon* how bout we but you up into peices and feed you to your pouches then well see how loyal a hungry dog really is

gangster as fuck. :lol
 
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