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[Skiptastic]

that doesnt explain why he used the batvoice to rachel, when he didnt have the suit on.

When was this?

 

[artredis1980]

that doesnt explain why he used the batvoice to rachel, when he didnt have the suit on.

if ur talking about when he hit harvey on the head, then he was doing it on purpose in case harvey was half conscience

 

[Darko]

When was this?

Right before he closes the door after taking down harvey at the party

 

[artredis1980]

Right before he closes the door after taking down harvey at the party

he does it on purpose to make sure if harvey is half out he still thinks its batman and not bruce

 

[The Blue Jihad]

if ur talking about when he hit harvey on the head, then he was doing it on purpose in case harvey was half conscience

I don't think Harvey's state of consciousness had anything to do with it. Batman is becoming more than just Bruce's "alter-ego." It's becoming his instinct itself. What used to be two separate elements of his personality are merging together, hence Rachel saying Bruce will never not need Batman. At the end of BB, same thing. Batman isn't just a part of Bruce; it is Bruce.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I don't think Harvey's state of consciousness had anything to do with it. Batman is becoming more than just his "alter-ego." It's becoming his instinct itself.

Yea, can't wait for 3 where he just loses his shit and starts attacking people as Bruce Wayne.

 

[Greatness Gone]

I don't think Harvey's state of consciousness had anything to do with it. Batman is becoming more than just his "alter-ego." It's becoming his instinct itself.

hugepukingeyeroll.gif

 

[Darko]

Yea, can't wait for 3 where he just loses his shit and starts attacking people as Bruce Wayne.

leaked footage

 

[gamergirly]

I don't think Harvey's state of consciousness had anything to do with it. Batman is becoming more than just Bruce's "alter-ego." It's becoming his instinct itself. What used to be two separate elements of his personality are merging together, hence Rachel saying Bruce will never not need Batman. At the end of BB, same thing. Batman isn't just a part of Bruce; it is Bruce.

That's SO exciting! It's like doing the Spiderman and Venom the right way

 

[The Blue Jihad]

hugepukingeyeroll.gif

I'm serious. The line between Bruce and Batman is blurring. Look at who Batman chooses to save. Rachel.

 

[BigAT]

leaked footage

The scene early in the movie where he carefully times the jump onto Scarecrow's car made me think of that part in American Psycho IMMEDIATELY.

 

[The Blue Jihad]

That's SO exciting! It's like doing the Spiderman and Venom the right way

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but for the sake of discussion, I'll assume you're being genuine...cause I do very much love the duality when it comes to superhero mythologies.

The Spiderman/Venom mythos really depends on who's handling it. To this day I haven't seen any film or cartoon that nails the concept. Spiderman 3 kinda got it right insofar as Venom is the embodiment of Peter's darker personality. The most interesting parts of the movie were

Spoiler

seeing how Peter dealt with the symbiote (except the dancing and club shit, obviously). His fight with Harry in the mansion was the best part of the movie, in fact, because it showed just how much Peter was bonding with "Venom." Peter's actually pretty cruel to Harry there. He tells him how much his father actually hated him. How Peter was the favorite son. How Harry is weak, just like his father said

. Peter knows Harry's father better than Harry does, which is pretty tragic, when you think about it. We know that the mirror reflection Harry sees isn't who his father really is...it's simply how Harry wants to see his father.

The problem with Spiderman/Venom is that Venom becomes an external threat...a literal, physical representation of Peter's dark side, a duality that's more difficult to convey well in Spiderman due to the fantastic nature of their respective abilities.

In Batman, however, the Bruce/Batman duality is purely internal, so it's that much easier to establish a believable separation or synthesis of the two personalities. It's handled incredibly well by Nolan, because he goes to great lengths to show how Bruce and Batman are the same person. In BB, Alfred's "Those are Bruce Wayne's dinner guests!" line is extraordinarily effective to that end. There's no separating Bruce Wayne and Batman.

 

[Kastro]

there is definitely stuff to like in the most acclaimed batman comics (the killing joke, dark knight returns, etc.). but, again--i'm not trying to be a dope or anything, as i love comics--but none of them seem to strike the right balance with batman that i'm looking for. the ones that want to take the character and mythos seriously seem to take it to an extreme blackness and bizarreness of art style that turns me off, and the stuff that brings the right art style to strike my fancy never lives up to my expectations where writing is concerned.

i guess that's sort of why i am so enthusiastic about the film portrayal of the character: at least, to me, it strikes a very nice balance between light and dark, and art style is a concern thrown out altogether and replaced with costume/set design and cinematography.

I agree completely. This is Batman to me.

 

[Masked Man]

my personal favorite, wish there was more of that side of him in the film

*throws knife to goon* how bout we but you up into peices and feed you to your pouches then well see how loyal a hungry dog really is

gangster as fuck. :lol

That one foreign gangster is hilarious.

DOAGGS. ARR. HCHONG-GRAYY!

 

[layzie1989]

GORDON NOOOOOO!!!

 

[Oh! My Car!]

The second tale of his scars really got me, to the point of feeling sympathy for his character (what a versatile actor he was...), I was actually a bit miffed when Batman interrupted the third! I'm not one to crave origin but the various bits and pieces scattered had me intrigued for more

Any word whether the home release will have additional footage? Please say yes.

 

[AniHawk]

The second tale of his scars really got me, to the point of feeling sympathy for his character (what a versatile actor he was...), I was actually a bit miffed when Batman interrupted the third! I'm not one to crave origin but the various bits and pieces scattered had me intrigued for more

You know that he didn't have a single origin story and made it up as he went along, for different people, right?

 

[GhaleonEB]

my personal favorite, wish there was more of that side of him in the film

*throws knife to goon* how bout we but you up into peices and feed you to your pouches then well see how loyal a hungry dog really is

gangster as fuck. :lol

And then later in the film, he's got the three dogs protecting him and obeying orders. I guess they weren't too loyal after all. :lol

How faithful is the Harvey Dent story arc to the comics? I didn't know anything about him other than the disfigurement and the coin. How have hardcore comic fans taken any changes?

When the 1989 Batman came out, my mom and older brother (both hardcore comic fans) were utterly livid that 1) the Joker was killed and 2) Batman brought a bimbo to the Batcave. I haven't seen any kind of reaction like that to this movie and I'm curious about a perspective from a big fan of the source material.

 

[AniHawk]

And then later in the film, he's got the three dogs protecting him and obeying orders. I guess they weren't too loyal after all. :lol

How faithful is the Harvey Dent story arc to the comics? I didn't know anything about him other than the disfigurement and the coin. How have hardcore comic fans taken any changes?

When the 1989 Batman came out, my mom and older brother (both hardcore comic fans) were utterly livid that 1) the Joker was killed and 2) Batman brought a bimbo to the Batcave. I haven't seen any kind of reaction like that to this movie and I'm curious about a perspective from a big fan of the source material.

Dent always had acid tossed on his face in the court room. Actually, there's a scene in Batman Returns where this is mentioned/shown on the news. In The Long Halloween, it was Sal Maroni who did it, I believe.

So it's a bit different. The fact that they don't shit all over the source makes it okay, I think. Even though Two-Face dies, the fact that it's a pretty good film and faithful in most other parts lets fanboys overlook the other things.

Joker dying in 1989 was really dumb though. The way he died was stupid too.

 

[Oh! My Car!]

You know that he didn't have a single origin story and made it up as he went along, for different people, right?

Ah, I wanted to (naively) think of it as a viewer puzzle, you know, which one is right?

 

[Randy Lanzarote]

How faithful is the Harvey Dent story arc to the comics? I didn't know anything about him other than the disfigurement and the coin. How have hardcore comic fans taken any changes?

The original story has Dent getting acid in the face from Sal Maroni during a murder trial. Batman tried to save him but was just that little bit too late, he only stopped Dent from getting his entire face burnt off. Hence why Dent comes to hate Batman, as he partly blames him for what happened.

The Long Halloween is the latest retelling of the origin story, again Dent gets a load of acid in the face from Maroni during a courtroom proceeding, but Batman isn't around this time.

(Batman Forever stuck to the original comic book story of Dent gettin acid in the face... but then the less said about that film the better )

I wouldn't consider myself a hardcore fan, I have a modest collection of Batman TPBs and some of the Dini comics, but I don't mind the changes one bit. Same goes for The Joker, I'm happy with what Nolan does as it fits in with his take on the Batman universe. In fact I think there was a nod to the comics during the initial courtroom confrontation in TDK when Maroni's goon pulls a gun out. As Dent points out, it would be impossible to get a gun, and probably a bottle full of acid, into a modern courtroom so the scarring would have to take place elsewhere.

 

[Snaku]

it would be impossible to get a gun, and probably a bottle full of acid, into a modern courtroom so the scarring would have to take place elsewhere.

Considering the massive corruption in every facet of Gotham City, I don't see how it would be impossible to sneak a gun or a vial of acid into a courtroom.

 

[I_D]

I was actually a bit miffed when Batman interrupted the third!

I was too. I was really anticipating his third scar story.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Speaking of scenes that stick with you, I remember the one where Wayne cuts off the truck trying to T-Bone the police transport w/ Reese inside. After the collision, Gordon thanks Wayne for taking the blunt of the force and Wayne responds by saying, "Was someone important in there?I was just trying to catch the light."

The look exchange between Wayne and Reese is priceless:

Wayne:

"Even though you were about to blow the whistle on my identity, I still put myself at risk to save your life."

Reese:

".........."

 

[Raiden]

I've seen The Dark Knight quite some time ago, brilliant film, it actually made me feel sorry for Heath that he's gone, couldnt really care before tbh.

But the scene that amazed me the most:- Is the scene where The Joker is in the cop car, with his head out of the window, the no sound part is awesome, it really shows the level of his insanity and shit ... what f'n awesome scene.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I've seen The Dark Knight quite some time ago, brilliant film, it actually made me feel sorry for Heath that he's gone, couldnt really care before tbh.

But the scene that amazed me the most:- Is the scene where The Joker is in the cop car, with his head out of the window, the no sound part is awesome, it really shows the level of his insanity and shit ... what f'n awesome scene.

I'M LIKE A DOG CHASING CARS. I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO IF I CAUGHT ONE.

I JUST DO THINGS.

 

[andymcc]

I liked TKJ best as well. I really liked some parts of Arkham Asylum as well, including the art, but it all got a little too trippy/weird at times. I plan to read Long Halloween, Hush, and TDKR next, although I think I stupidly may have spoiled both Hush and TDKR by reading the Wikipedia synopsis for both :lol

Hush is really awesome before knowing the plot twist. after that, it sucks.

 

[Keylime]

Speaking of scenes that stick with you, I remember the one where Wayne cuts off the truck trying to T-Bone the police transport w/ Reese inside. After the collision, Gordon thanks Wayne for taking the blunt of the force and Wayne responds by saying, "Was someone important in there?I was just trying to catch the light."

The look exchange between Wayne and Reese is priceless:

Wayne:

"Even though you were about to blow the whistle on my identity, I still put myself at risk to save your life."

Reese:

".........."

Damn... I completely didn't put this together when I saw the movie. That little nod exchange between him and Reese is so much more interesting now.

Fuck this movie is so good...

 

[Spayro]

He doesn't even look like Ledger there to me, which is freaky.

IMO, the only point at which the Joker looks even vaguely like Heath Ledger is during the prologue, right after he takes his mask off and says ".... stranger".

The only part where he looks like himself, to me, was when he was hung upside-down.

going to see it a third time in two weeks. hur hur hur

 

[Ninja Scooter]

wait a minute...Heath Ledger played the Joker?!

 

[esbern]

whats the point of the "close to the chest" line? i saw it twice: when bruce wayne was explaining the R&D departments rebudgeting and when gordan came back from hiding

 

[ryutaro's mama]

whats the point of the "close to the chest" line? i saw it twice: when bruce wayne was explaining the R&D departments rebudgeting and when gordan came back from hiding

Simple explanation:

The writers liked that term and used it twice.

Complex explanation:

Wait a few posts

 

[DMczaf]

wait a minute...Heath Ledger played the Joker?!

Nope, it was Gene Parmesan.

 

[Greatness Gone]

What if Ledger played Wayne? Do you think Bale could've done the Joker?

I'm not sure. Maybe.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Nope, it was Gene Parmesan.

 

[Guzim]

Wayne Enterprises purchases the Bluth Company in the third one!!!

 

[Sanjuro]

http://taa-daa.ytmnd.com/ :lol :lol

 

[Guzim]

:lol :lol :lol

What's Torgo doing there?

 

[rollingstart]

That is awesome.

 

[Sanjuro]

The picture works as well because it is the McDonald's film that Nolan envisioned. Grimus (Back left) needed to be adapted to fit in the real world.

 

[heliosRAzi]

Wayne Enterprises purchases the Bluth Company in the third one!!!

Bruce Wayne: I've made a huge mistake.

 

[DrForester]

:lol :lol :lol

What's Torgo doing there?

Torgo is everywhere

 

[Guzim]

Bruce Wayne: I've made a huge mistake.

Gob will be amazed at how Batman can disappear so fast.

 

[fistfulofmetal]

The Dark Knight has finally reached the true mile stone.

Natalie Portman went to go see it earlier this week.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

The Dark Knight has finally reached the true mile stone.

Natalie Portman went to go see it earlier this week.

Dude, that is a scary fucking site, man.

Stalker central.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I read through the script tonight. Surprised by a few things (Half of Coleman Reese's conversation was cut - for the better), not too surprised by some other things (Heath pretty much owned the mob meeting, the script doesn't compare). For the most part, Nolan stuck close to the script and any change or addition was completely 100% for the better.

Man, the pre production stills of the joker were pretty fuckin bad.


They made the first miniature of the batpod out whatever was in Nolan's garage at the moment:lol

i wish there was more storyboarding in the book. :-/

 

[Zoltrix]

BTW:

Reese. Mr Reese. Mysteries. Enigma. E Nigma. Edward Nigma. THE RIDDLER

MR. REESE WORKS FOR WAYNE ENTERPRISES AND THE RIDDLER WORKED FOR WAYNE ENTERPRISES IN BATMAN FOREVER

omg...

Mr. Reese is THE RIDDLER

Spoiler

not really

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

BTW:

Reese. Mr Reese. Mysteries. Enigma. E Nigma. Edward Nigma. THE RIDDLER

MR. REESE WORKS FOR WAYNE ENTERPRISES AND THE RIDDLER WORKED FOR WAYNE ENTERPRISES IN BATMAN FOREVER

omg...

Mr. Reese is THE RIDDLER

Spoiler

not really

pretty late to the game with that one:lol

 

[Wiggum2007]

So does Detective Stephens ("you killed six of my friends") live? I thought he kicked the bucket in the jail explosion but I swear I saw him in the background when Gordon's busting the bat signal.

 

[AniHawk]

So does Detective Stephens ("you killed six of my friends") live? I thought he kicked the bucket in the jail explosion but I swear I saw him in the background when Gordon's busting the bat signal.

Yeah, he lives. In another scene you see him with a bandage on his neck.