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The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD

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Does anyone have an quality audio sample of the joker's entrance to the mob meeting? I need a new text alert on my phone, I wants it.


ah ha he he ho ho ha he ho ha....and I thought my jokes were bad.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Does anyone have an quality audio sample of the joker's entrance to the mob meeting? I need a new text alert on my phone, I wants it.


ah ha he he ho ho ha he ho ha....and I thought my jokes were bad.

I loved that part :lol

Edit: Oh and I was kinda hoping that somebody in those ferries would push the button, only to see that the joker tricked them and made them blow up their own boat.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
I was WAITING for this to happen.
Atleast something small, like after everyone was off the boats, and somebody tripped up the civilian's trigger, thus blowing up the civilians boat.
 
AniHawk said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqrhzwu766E

This is one of my favorite scenes from Batman Begins. I love the way Liam delivers his lines ("it was your father's"), as well as the music.

I'm still trying to pinpoint just what makes this scene so different from anything in TDK. I can't put my finger on it.

What makes this scene (actually, the entire training sequence, which lasts probably a good 1/2 hour and involves several scenes and timeline jumps) stand out as so fucking awesome is the editing and the fantastic score. Its so well paced, and the Zimmer/Newton Howard score is so effective. Ive said it a billion times, so why not once more: BB in its fist 40-50 minutes of running time is darn near flawless. It comes back down to earth when he actually becomes Batman, when the character stuff is thrown into the back seat.

What makes this scene different from anything in TDK is, again, that its really building the character of Bruce Wayne/Batman. As phenomenal as TDK, Bruce Wayne/Bats are already established, and he really doesnt have much of an arc, and TDK certainly isnt as focused on exploring him as BB was. Thats fine though, as both films strive for different things, and both succeed wonderfully. At the end of the day though, Id say that if you prefer character development and delving into what makes Batman tick, you'd prefer BB, while if you prefer sweeping epics filled to the brim with symbolism and thematic elements, you'd prefer TDK.
 
I just got back from watching the IMAX version. It's my third viewing but first on IMAX. Holy. Shit. It's like watching it again for the first time. The incredible cityscapes. The bank scene. The fall from the fund-raiser. The Lambourgini. The hospital blowing up. There are simply no words to describe how flat out awesome it was. But my favorite part of the IMAX version? The sound. The sound that the Tumbler makes when it hits the dump truck and then hits the throttle again and lets out the huge roar that you only hear for a second or two is quite possibly the greatest sound I've heard coming out of a vehicle. I'm not exaggerating either. It's weird because I don't remember hearing it in the 35mm version at all -- I definitely would've noticed that. If you haven't seen the IMAX version yet, I highly recommend doing so. It's worth it even if you've already seen the movie.
 
AirBrian said:
I just got back from watching the IMAX version. It's my third viewing but first on IMAX. Holy. Shit. It's like watching it again for the first time. The incredible cityscapes. The bank scene. The fall from the fund-raiser. The Lambourgini. The hospital blowing up. There are simply no words to describe how flat out awesome it was. But my favorite part of the IMAX version? The sound. The sound that the Tumbler makes when it hits the dump truck and then hits the throttle again and lets out the huge roar that you only hear for a second or two is quite possibly the greatest sound I've heard coming out of a vehicle. I'm not exaggerating either. It's weird because I don't remember hearing it in the 35mm version at all -- I definitely would've noticed that. If you haven't seen the IMAX version yet, I highly recommend doing so. It's worth it even if you've already seen the movie.

Is it true that only the Hong Kong scenes are in full IMAX resolution, though?
 
Zeliard said:
Is it true that only the Hong Kong scenes are in full IMAX resolution, though?
There were about 5 or so scenes that were the whole screen. Then just about any time there was a cityscape, it would be in the full screen as well.
 
Zeliard said:
Is it true that only the Hong Kong scenes are in full IMAX resolution, though?

1. Bank robbery

2. Hong Kong

3. Batpod/Tumbler Chase scene

4. Death of Rachel + Aftermath

5. Lamborghini stuff

6. Hospital Explosion

7. Batman vs Joker Finale

8. Ending with Batman and Gordon

Plus some small things like shots of Chicago, the Parade, etc.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot that the entire bank robbery prologue is in full IMAX res. Holy shit, that must be awesome. Gonna have to catch an IMAX showing at some point, definitely.
 
So, I finally got to see The Dark Knight last night and I wanted to share my thoughts.


I liked the movie a lot. But going by GAF's reaction I guess I was expecting something more, a true classic that would go down in history with the likes of Terminator and other such action classics. Sadly there were a couple flaws that kept it from such greatness, which is sad, cause I really wanted it to be that good. And I think it really could have been too.

One problem might be length. While I was entertained for the duration, I think the movie tried to do too much for just one film. Harvey Dent's 'two-face' origins were brilliantly done and I understand how the part is undeniably a critical part of The Dark Knight, but cutting it out in some way might have been a huge benefit to the film's focus. Which is right now, it's biggest problem. I think the average shot length has trouble reaching a second. There's so much different information coming from fucking truckloads of characters in different locations, you have a hard time keeping track of everything. And honestly, after 2 hours, it starts to feel like a bit of a mess. I think the movie should have focused more on making the Joker/Batman standoff as epic as it could have been. I felt like there still wasn't enough time to form a real attachment to the conflict, it felt rushed. Which is a huge waste obviously.

Why? Because The Joker, Ledger's performance, was by miles and miles, the best thing about this movie. Incredible, the way they introduced him, the weird quirks (smacking his lips all the time), his motivation ('some men just want to watch the world burn'), fucking beautiful stuff. Too bad even Christian Bale couldn't form a great enough counter balance in the film. It's like they forgot to write some interesting stuff for Batman/Wayne. I think there just wasn't enough room with all the stuff the film tried to do. Still, the Joker made the movie, it was like Johnny Depp's antics, but without being such a pussy, it was like Depp with an edge, an R rated Depp if you will.

Other than that, the film did a very decent job of creating actual tension in some scenes. I really felt a sense of urgency when both Dent and Daws were hooked up to those explosives. And there was honest tragedy when Rachel bought it. Too bad they didn't have the balls to follow through with the two boats. The movie would have been much better for it if the Joker had been right, if the innocent civilians had blown up the convicts. A real shame imho.

Final thoughts. A flawed masterpiece, with some focus it could have been truly great.

Oh, and Maggie is beautiful. Anyone who claims she's ugly had better be dating fucking Audrey Hepburn or something.
 
fallout: I think your assessment is incorrect on many accounts. First, the fall of Harvey is central to the story - we need to see joker's ultimate plan of corrupting even the most pure such as harvey. Second batman is plaed down BECAUSE this story is about Harvey. And lastly, the boats are not exploded to show that the joker has not won entirely - his belief that madness can corrupt the innocent fails with the civilians, but succeeds in Harvey. Of course batman sacrifices his own image to uphold Harvey because he recognizes that is what Gotham needs ( inadvertently also allaying the batman wannabes). How can you cut any of. Harvey's story to keep film focus when that story IS the focus?
 
mrkgoo said:
The guy was a mental illness patient who was told his 'voices' would go away after the Joker 'replaced' them with 'pretty lights'.

I thought that by "the boss" he meant Maroni. Or was bomb-stomach-guy one of the henchmen on the "Slaughter" truck?
 
Masked Man said:
I thought that by "the boss" he meant Maroni. Or was bomb-stomach-guy one of the henchmen on the "Slaughter" truck?

Nah, any of the mental patients seen in the film were the work of the Joker. He was literally letting the patients run the asylum.
 
Fallout-NL said:
I said I understand why it's a crucial part of the story. It doesn't necessarily make a better film.

I understand. Still, I don't see how cutting the central core to the story makes it a better film either. I liked Begins, but thought that was slightly meandering with the scarecrow "side story" - but I have to admit that it does act as sort of a red herring for the real villain of the story (microwave emitter was stupid though). I like Dark Knight's focus on the story at hand much better.

At any rate, I read Long Halloween last night and I can definitely appreciate a bit better the influence these movies are based on. The presence and complexity of the side characters are very much part of the bigger story and make it feel more complete. Something I didn't really appreciate before, particularly in Bat man Begins.
 
Watched TDK again on IMAX today and wow, the scenes shot in IMAX were amazing. The sound in IMAX also puts regular theaters to shame. I regret not watching this in IMAX the first time around.
 
mrkgoo said:
I understand. Still, I don't see how cutting the central core to the story makes it a better film either. I liked Begins, but thought that was slightly meandering with the scarecrow "side story" - but I have to admit that it does act as sort of a red herring for the real villain of the story (microwave emitter was stupid though). I like Dark Knight's focus on the story at hand much better.

At any rate, I read Long Halloween last night and I can definitely appreciate a bit better the influence these movies are based on. The presence and complexity of the side characters are very much part of the bigger story and make it feel more complete. Something I didn't really appreciate before, particularly in Bat man Begins.


year one year one!
 
Damnit, I'm still craving for more! I've accepted I'm not one of "them" after all.

MTV had a making-of the other day, Nolan revealed going all out in TDK and not saving anything for a possible third which at that point had not been discussed. TDK is his definitive vision of the Batman universe unless a fucking brilliant script materializes.
 
Oh! My Car! said:
MTV had a making-of the other day, Nolan revealed going all out in TDK and not saving anything for a possible third which at that point had not been discussed. TDK is his definitive vision of the Batman universe unless a fucking brilliant script materializes.

After TDK, i'm sure there's a ton of writers who'd want the job. The ending of TDK just screams for more, and there's always going to be more Batman. 2011 BELIEVE
 
Solo said:
What makes this scene (actually, the entire training sequence, which lasts probably a good 1/2 hour and involves several scenes and timeline jumps) stand out as so fucking awesome is the editing and the fantastic score. Its so well paced, and the Zimmer/Newton Howard score is so effective. Ive said it a billion times, so why not once more: BB in its fist 40-50 minutes of running time is darn near flawless. It comes back down to earth when he actually becomes Batman, when the character stuff is thrown into the back seat.

What makes this scene different from anything in TDK is, again, that its really building the character of Bruce Wayne/Batman. As phenomenal as TDK, Bruce Wayne/Bats are already established, and he really doesnt have much of an arc, and TDK certainly isnt as focused on exploring him as BB was. Thats fine though, as both films strive for different things, and both succeed wonderfully. At the end of the day though, Id say that if you prefer character development and delving into what makes Batman tick, you'd prefer BB, while if you prefer sweeping epics filled to the brim with symbolism and thematic elements, you'd prefer TDK.

Yea there's just nothing as penetrating - psychologically - in TDK. Which, imo, is where Nolan is at his best. I still believe that TDK is the better film, overall, though.

I do feel that the first hour of BB is more epic than anything to be found in TDK ... simply because of the character journey. It really is a true character transformation - one you rarely see in the movies these days.
 
JB1981 said:
I do feel that the first hour of BB is more epic than anything to be found in TDK

I would agree with this. TDK is the better film, but the first 40 minutes or so of BB is better than the first 40 minutes or so of TDK.
 
Solo said:
I would agree with this. TDK is the better film, but the first 40 minutes or so of BB is better than the first 40 minutes or so of TDK.
I'm on the fence. Overall I would agree, however I love the cut from the bank heist to the follow up of whats been going on in Gotham and Batman's struggles.
 
Syph said:
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=nIaLXE06Mp0

This dude does a pretty good Joker impression.
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GuessWho said:
because of ticket prices; for it to beat Titanic's 600 million mark, Dark Knight needs to hit 900 million to equal.
Here comes the shitstorm. I'm pretty sure this discussion has been done to death, and the DK fanatics won't let you get away with that statement.
 
JB1981 said:
It's amazing ... didn't TITANIC make like 18 million its debut weekend?
Yeah, I saw a list of its weekly totals somewhere, and I was amazed by its track record. I've been following gaf's Box Office threads for quite a while now, and I thought it was pretty much an unwritten rule that every week the gross for a movie more or less halves, with a few variations on this rule.

But I never knew there could be movies that have a pretty shitty opening week, only to better their performance week over week, and keep on trucking for 20 weeks. Is this an unicum? Is titanic the only movie that has every done such a thing?
 
SanjuroTsubaki said:
I'm on the fence. Overall I would agree, however I love the cut from the bank heist to the follow up of whats been going on in Gotham and Batman's struggles.

I'd have to see it again, but I think TDK felt like it was running almost too quickly at the beginning. Because there was so much to be put into the movie, it felt like they had to edit out a lot of the introductory exposition. I think TDK is the better movie for sure, but BB might have had better pacing.
 
Syph said:
Then find a better one on youtube, it IS pretty okay for what it is, and his make up ain't too shitty either compared to all the other impressions.

Why even try to do an impression of perfection.

On youtube no less.

Who cares about those morons lol... bunch of emo's.
 
So I finally saw the movie. I don't know if they handled Two-Face correctly. Two-Face is always supposed to be about redemption and his struggle with good and evil. I'm sure it's been discussed wither Dent died or not. I don't see how his departure could be interpreted as anything but death. But I sure how they fudge it and bring him back.
 
mac said:
So I finally saw the movie. I don't know if they handled Two-Face correctly. Two-Face is always supposed to be about redemption and his struggle with good and evil.

That's where I thought some of the brillance of Dark Knight's script lay. I mean at the end of the film we say Gordon and Batman agreeing to keep the truth burried about Dent's actions, essentially passing on that message of redemption and righteouness even though as false as it may, it was done for the greater good.
 
Saw it today and enjoyed it. A little fractured in the story department and a few luls here and there. Not the rocket a to b of Begins but more of a twisting adult crime film.

Maggie had me wishing for Katie to return. I just don't believe Bruce would go for her and Katie was a stretch in the first place.

Not much needs to be said about Heath's performance which was great.

Nolan deserves a lot of credit here for lots of little character touches. Also it was very brave to change the entire palette of the film for this entry.

I didn't like that Gotham looked nearly entirely different from Begins in this movie.
 
Warm Machine said:
Also it was very brave to change the entire palette of the film for this entry.

Yeah, I think so too. Even though the Sepia-esque tone works wonderfully for Begins, I can't see it being used in The Dark Knight. The guy's just brilliant.
 
Code_Link said:
Yeah, I think so too. Even though the Sepia-esque tone works wonderfully for Begins, I can't see it being used in The Dark Knight. The guy's just brilliant.

Lots of daylight scenes too where they couldn't hide Batman, Joker, or anyone else is darkness. You run the risk of making the film look like camp that way but it worked when ever they did it.
 
JB1981 said:
Yea there's just nothing as penetrating - psychologically - in TDK. Which, imo, is where Nolan is at his best. I still believe that TDK is the better film, overall, though.

I do feel that the first hour of BB is more epic than anything to be found in TDK ... simply because of the character journey. It really is a true character transformation - one you rarely see in the movies these days.

I don't know that I can agree with that. For example, I think TDK actually trumps this because if features/pulls off two such transformations.

I'd say Batman's entire outlook on his mission, his goal, changes in TDK. What the Joker represents is a complete dismantling of what he thought the Batman was, what he meant to the city, and what he is fighting.

Batman doesn't even really consider/understand what the Joker represents in the beginning of the film. He is focused just on 'the mob' that he says 'one man' can wait. Batman doesn't yet understand how the nature of the game he is playing has changed, how his presence/actions have led to an evolution of the battle he is in.

He goes from just on a mission to save the city from criminals to a slow understanding that what he thought he was fighting has become much more than that to even believing that his presence is unneeded/does more harm than good. And then it even goes further from there.

To me, that is an even greater journey than the (very impressive) one in BB.

The second, of course, is Harvey's transformation though we all recognize that. Still, the way it was handled was, IMO, amazingly well done thanks to little glimpses into his change/personality like his attempt at 'interrogating' one of the Joker's men violently long before losing Rachel and becoming Two Face.
 
JB1981 said:
Yea there's just nothing as penetrating - psychologically - in TDK. Which, imo, is where Nolan is at his best. I still believe that TDK is the better film, overall, though.

I do feel that the first hour of BB is more epic than anything to be found in TDK ... simply because of the character journey. It really is a true character transformation - one you rarely see in the movies these days.
TDK also has a very intensive and meticulously interwoven plot from beginning to end. Actually, I remember a review posted here awhile ago saying that TDK wasn't long enough, and one of the first things I said after leaving the theater was that the film could have used a few extra character building scenes. The film relies so heavily on the Joker because he's such an easy character to believe in.

Batman Begins works so well at the start because everything is so resonant and powerful and has such an easy payoff. It moves incredibly fast. Every single line of dialog is illuminating in some way. The editing is striking. And it is moving both visually and musically. I think this all adds up to something that is supposed to engage you on a very visceral level. It's obvious how it all plays together, but the movie has the advantage of telling you straight out the psychology of this man, trying to take you on this journey all the way. It also couldn't have been sustained for the entire movie.

TDK works so well as one entire package, and again, it requires an intensive approach to get everything out of it. I wouldn't say that BB is more psychologically penetrating. I would say that it is wonderfully eloquent with how it explains the character to you, and it is very resonant because of how it attempts to play that up.

Looking back now it's funny that that the writer of the first Batman film said that you would destroy your credibility if you show the literal process by which Bruce Wayne becomes Batman.
 
Awesome movie I saw it yesterday and Heath Ledger really does own the show. I fucking loved his acting. I need to see it again to understand it completely.
 
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