TheLaughingStock
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Jeff have you ever thought about why hundreds of millions of people don't move their PCs to the living room even though they've had the capability to hook them up to the TV for years?
The only people claiming that they are dying are PC gamers who feel like they are a threat.
Game Consoles currently exist for a number of reasons that will not be a factor with mid-performance 2016 PCs.
Trustzone processors in the XB1, PS4 and Kaveri - future PCs and Vidipath (DLNA CVP2) support in the PS4, XB1, all future PCs and ARM STBs eliminate any closed ecosystem for IPTV. This was the first point in the OP. Games and other media can be protected in all Vidpath platforms.This is all assuming that games are going to remain the primary focus of consoles. But I think it's been pretty clear that Microsoft and Sony view their machines as long term investments in a war for being the prime middle men of all media consumption in the living room. If everyone watches TV and buys movies and whatnot through their own online services, that's a pretty damn lucrative position to be in getting a cut from all the ad revenue and licenses and whatnot. I don't see how it even makes sense to bleed so much money into their console divisions otherwise.
I am pretty sure this was the reason for Microsoft's initial TV-focused strategy for the Xbox One. They've seen how the core gaming industry has been shrinking and they did not expect this to be enough to drive sales of their console in the long term. It was too premature from a PR standpoint though so they ended up in an awkward position and had to flipflop their image.
Sony just knows to be more quiet about their plans. After all, they're the ones who patented this:
For all the doubters, what is the difference between a future PC running Windows 10 and a Xbox 1 running Windows 10 (after DX12 is released)?
Trustzone processors in the XB1, PS4 and Kaveri - future PCs and Vidipath (DLNA CVP2) support in the PS4, XB1, all future PCs and ARM STBs eliminate any closed ecosystem for IPTV. This was the first point in the OP. Games and other media can be protected in all Vidpath platforms.
Yes, "Microsoft and Sony view their machines as long term investments in a war for being the prime middle men of all media consumption in the living room". They have a head start and platforms that can support being a MEDIA HUB. They have a future PC two years in advance of the market.
Windows 10 rumored to be free, all free features will be downloadable apps like seen in Windows 7 but able to run on all platforms. A Xbox app for the Xbox Ecosystem and the ability to stream games from and to PCs and the Xbox1. For all the doubters, what is the difference between a future PC running Windows 10 and a Xbox 1 running Windows 10 (after DX12 is released)?
To the Metal Perfomance: The APPs for the XB1 Windows 10 are all WebGL with OpenGL support same as the PS4. The major difference for games in the near future, Windows is Direct X and Sony will be supporting a more modern efficient OpenGL with a POSIX OS (FreeBSD or Linux). Both DirectX and OpenGL are being optimized for games. This is possible due to new hardware features like QOS and Trusted boot/embedded with Trustzone. In the past the GPU drivers were used as a choke point for DRM video and driver development was all in house for security. This is now opening up to third parties with OpenGL on Linux now a threat to Microsoft's DirectX which put a fire under them.
It is unlikely that the consumer will see that his XBox One is running Windows 10 (or do you see that your current XBox One is running a stripped down Windows 8?).For all the doubters, what is the difference between a future PC running Windows 10 and a Xbox 1 running Windows 10 (after DX12 is released)?
AMD will be releasing a SoC with 8GB of HBM and equal to or greater than PS4 performance sometime around 2016+. Since all IO and memory are in the SoC or on the interposer it's a FIXED console like design and should be VERY cheap...certainly under $300. Every feature seen in the XB1 and PS4 should be possible on the new SoC.Unless I'm mistaken you're forgetting the two biggest reasons why consoles have been popular: price and uniformity. For $400 I bought a system that will play games that came out last year and will play those coming out 5 years from now, without having to worry about having to upgrade because most games that come out are designed around the specs of the system.
That doesn't mean what you think it means.Upgrading PCs does not have the same issues seen in the past with upgrading Consoles. The new consoles support QOS, variable clocks and are designed to slow down if overheating.
It is unlikely that the consumer will see that his XBox One is running Windows 10 (or do you see that your current XBox One is running a stripped down Windows 8?).
They are dead. The PS4's record-breaking sales are a lie perpetuated by Sony and the gaming media.
Also, are there really rumours that Windows 10 will be free?! That would be quite a turn around for MS; I don't really see it happening to be honest.
AMD will be releasing a SoC with 8GB of HBM and equal to or greater than PS4 performance sometime around 2016+. Since all IO and memory are in the SoC or on the interposer it's a FIXED console like design and should be VERY cheap...certainly under $300. Every feature seen in the XB1 and PS4 should be possible on the new SoC.
Upgrading PCs does not have the same issues seen in the past with upgrading Consoles. The new consoles support QOS, variable clocks and are designed to slow down if overheating.
V2 of HBM will have a minimum size of 8GB which is why I think both the PS4 and XB1 have 8GB. Any PC SoC will have 8GB of HBM as main or L3 Cache and additional memory on the mainboard or a few years later optically connected to HMC memory.
YES! well though out response that summarizes everything in one sentence.Let's see how Steam machines do before jumping to any conclusions.
Consoles represent a certain "standard" in terms of form and function, and to replace them you need a new "standard" - the mass market needs to know what they are being sold on.
The way I see it, if consoles must die due to convergence, so will our present idea of what a PC is.
When I buy a PC game I have to go through this:
1. Will it run on my hardware?
2. Check what 3rd party DRM/activation limits it has, if any.
3. Research into the quality of the port.
4. Decide which service to buy from. GOG, Steam, Uplay, Origin, and so on.
5. Research into any known bugs and workarounds.
6. Can I use a 360 pad?
7. Is the text/UI too small for TV gaming?
8. Buy and Downlaod (On my connection, takes up to two days)
9. Find out that it doesn't boot up, despite meeting specs.
When I buy a console game:
1. Decide if I like the look of it.
2. Buy it.
3. Play it.
Disclaimer: This is just my personal experience.
Upgrading PCs does not have the same issues seen in the past with upgrading Consoles. The new consoles support QOS, variable clocks and are designed to slow down if overheating.
V2 of HBM will have a minimum size of 8GB which is why I think both the PS4 and XB1 have 8GB. Any PC SoC will have 8GB of HBM as main or L3 Cache and additional memory on the mainboard or a few years later optically connected to HMC memory.
Game Consoles currently exist for a number of reasons that will not be a factor with mid-performance 2016 PCs.
PCs are not dead and will move to the living room. The choice will be Windows X86 with the Xbox ecosystem and/or Android running on a X86 Linux kernel with games either ARM or Linux OpenGL which can run future AAA games from Sony with the Playstation ecosystem.
There is no longer a need for a future Game Console provided there is no new feature that won't be found in future AMD SoCs. 4K TVs, Vidipath (DLNA CVP2), HTML5 with WebGL and VR make a PC in the living room more valuable. It will offer the same features the XB1 and PS4 will offer to other platforms in the home. In the short term Kaveri, PS4 and XB1 support HEVC as does Windows 10 and they can sideload and transcode to AVCHD (h.264) which is the current Vidipath DLNA standard.
By 2017 every TV will be a smart TV or have a Vidipath STB connected to it. There will be a need for at least one media hub with hard disk (read PC), the other TVs can use ARM STBs or HDMI sticks.
And this..Weren't consoles supposed to be dead already?
When I buy a PC game I have to go through this:
1. Will it run on my hardware?
2. Check what 3rd party DRM/activation limits it has, if any.
3. Research into the quality of the port.
4. Decide which service to buy from. GOG, Steam, Uplay, Origin, and so on.
5. Research into any known bugs and workarounds.
6. Can I use a 360 pad?
7. Is the text/UI too small for TV gaming?
8. Buy and Downlaod (On my connection, takes up to two days)
9. Find out that it doesn't boot up, despite meeting specs.
When I buy a console game:
1. Decide if I like the look of it.
2. Buy it.
3. Play it.
Disclaimer: This is just my personal experience.
Let's see how Steam machines do before jumping to any conclusions.
Consoles represent a certain "standard" in terms of form and function, and to replace them you need a new "standard" - the mass market needs to know what they are being sold on.
The way I see it, if consoles must die due to convergence, so will our present idea of what a PC is.
When I buy a PC game I have to go through this:
1. Will it run on my hardware?
2. Check what 3rd party DRM/activation limits it has, if any.
3. Research into the quality of the port.
4. Decide which service to buy from. GOG, Steam, Uplay, Origin, and so on.
5. Research into any known bugs and workarounds.
6. Can I use a 360 pad?
7. Is the text/UI too small for TV gaming?
8. Buy and Downlaod (On my connection, takes up to two days)
9. Find out that it doesn't boot up, despite meeting specs.
When I buy a console game:
1. Decide if I like the look of it.
2. Buy it.
3. Play it.
Disclaimer: This is just my personal experience.
7. Is the text/UI too small for TV gaming?
I've been a console gamer for 20 years now and own a PC, tablet, phone etc. I feel relatively tech savvy, can open my PC and do simple repairs, but what you have typed above has gone waaaay over my head and to be honest find myself not bothering to read it. That's why what you predict will never happen, the masses cannot be bothered with that bullshit. If they want to play games in their living room they will buy a box that does it and then buy the next one in five years time. It's why the iPhone has done so well, the masses want simplicity and something they can easily understand.
Lmao!At least post on your main account, Pachter.
They haven't talked pricing for Windows 10 ever and that rumor predates them calling it windows 10. True or not it's a useless rumor for now.All Windows 8/8.1 users get 10 for free. Pretty sure that's been confirmed.
When I buy a PC game I have to go through this:
1. Will it run on my hardware?
2. Check what 3rd party DRM/activation limits it has, if any.
3. Research into the quality of the port.
4. Decide which service to buy from. GOG, Steam, Uplay, Origin, and so on.
5. Research into any known bugs and workarounds.
6. Can I use a 360 pad?
7. Is the text/UI too small for TV gaming?
8. Buy and Downlaod (On my connection, takes up to two days)
9. Find out that it doesn't boot up, despite meeting specs.
When I buy a console game:
1. Decide if I like the look of it.
2. Buy it.
3. Play it.
Disclaimer: This is just my personal experience.
YES! well though out response that summarizes everything in one sentence.