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[Rockman33]

30 to 60 is way more noticeable than 60 to 120.

 

[MiguelItUp]

I feel like the difference between 60 and 120 is more massive. I mean, you can tell the difference instantly. 60 - 120 is a bit different.

 

[MSduderino]

is there anyway to see what 120 fps looks like on a base ps5 (for a game other than uncharted 4 if necessary)?

 

[joeygreco1985]

I own TVs and monitors that can do 120, 144, 165, and 240. 120 is definitely the sweet spot. Once you go higher it's not as noticeable to me.

 

[sharp weiner]

60 is borderline unplayable……for certain games.

Iracing in 60fps is just “go sit in the corner and put on a dunce cap”

Rocket league at 60 fps is “uninstall the game, throw your Xbox in the garbage and join the monastery”

Uncharted at 60 fps? Sure!

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

It's not about what you see, it's more about how it feels with the lower input lag.

 

[SenkiDala]

Some are more sensitive than others to it

For me 60 to 120 is huge but I know some who say its not a big deal to them

Higher you get and less people will be sensitive to it. The thing is 60fps is smooth, 30 isn't, so coming from 30 to 60fps is a bigger shock than 60 to 120. If you go higher than 120 only pro players on competitive games will find a difference.

I will also always chose performance over quality but it depends. I know someone who has the money, the hardware to go to 120 or more, but purposely chose to remain at 30fps because for him it's "the best experience", never understood this but well.

 

[Pimpollo818]

Not that I regret it, but I haven't noticed much of a difference when it comes to gaming when I moved from 1080p to 1440p. Navigating Windows/desktop is nice, but in-game I can't say it feels better b/c once I'm immersed, I'm immersed.

 

[Fafalada]

I guess sensitivity to this stuff varies from person to person. I believe beyond 120 fps you would only notice a difference with keyboard and mouse, within competitive games.

Motion clarity still improves noticeably- without low persistence display, you'd need something around 800fps IIRC to completely eliminate pixel blur.

 

[Sentenza]

Eh, I dunno, past 60 it’s greatly diminishing returns

Just like resolution beyond 4k

You'll change your tune as soon as it will become a marketing cornerstone for a future Playstation.

 

[R6Rider]

It's not nearly as an improve as 30 to 60 is, but it's still nice.

Just for regular usage on a monitor for work it's great to have 120hz too.

Best usage of 120 fps is for VR.

 

[darrylgorn]

What?

Not at all. After 60, it's totally pointless for me.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

You'll change your tune as soon as it will become a marketing cornerstone for a future Playstation.

Nope.

Stay ‘bessed, though

 

[Schmendrick]

Depends a bit on the game.

The faster the stronger the impact of higher FPS, both concerning motion clarity as well as latency.
Doom at 60 FPS feels at best passable while 60 fps in something like Elden Ring are perfectly fine.

 

[flying_sq]

I usually play at either 240 or 120 fps on my PC. 60 fps looks choppy and I have to get used to it now.

 

[Justin9mm]

30 ain’t unplayable

Your eyes adapt depending on the game I’d rather push visuals as far as they can go. But 60 is a good compromise now for most games

Chasing 120 is an absolute waste of resources

Agree, 30fps is not completely 'unplayable' but disagree with your other sentiments.

I think you're just not sensitive to it. I can certainly even tell the difference between 60 & 75 or 75 & 90. For me personally, after 90 fps, it starts to diminish for me. I can tell the difference between 90 & 120 but I don't care at that point, after 120fps, I really don't care lol

 

[Alexios]

I always made fun of folks saying they can't see the difference between 30 & 60 fps back in the day but I felt no revelation when I got my 144Hz monitor. Even after years of using it with VRR for games that I could run at high frame rates before my now aging PC started showing said age and as I've recently reverted back to normal vsynced non VRR play I have felt no real downgrade playing 60fps or any fps games even though of course going down to 30fps as I must for heavy games or emulated oldies I definitely do feel and see a huge difference, even if I settle to 45fps as middle ground. I suppose it might have felt like a bigger deal if I played competitive first person shooters or something along those lines but beyond that any kind of gameplay is just as possible to master on lower framerates than my 144Hz max, we've always had this higher potential anyway, albeit with tearing...

 

[nkarafo]

Eh, I dunno, past 60 it’s greatly diminishing returns

Not really. If you had a toggle to go back and forth you would see a big difference.

The "feel" difference is also pretty massive, it feels so much more responsive and less laggy.

I can even feel the difference between 120 vs 240fps. This is where the motion clarity becomes almost as clean as a CRT.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Agree, 30fps is not completely 'unplayable' but disagree with your other sentiments.

I think you're just not sensitive to it. I can certainly even tell the difference between 60 & 75 or 75 & 90. For me personally, after 90 fps, it starts to diminish for me. I can tell the difference between 90 & 120 but I don't care at that point, after 120fps, I really don't care lol

I can tell a difference but it’s not worth the huge tradeoff in resolution

It’s very important for VR, though

 

[cash_longfellow]

Yes…massive, it’s double.

 

[Pop]

To tell you the truth, anything past about 90fps is almost the same

Based on my own findings. And let me just say this, anything greater than 165 idc

 

[bbeach123]

90 to 120 feel a bit nicer especially if you moving the map in eldenring or rdr2 with a controller.

But it isnt as big as the difference between 60 and 90 fps imo .

 

[sendit]

Once frame gen becomes the norm, the "30 FPS is playable" crowd are going to look incredibly stupid. Not that they don't now.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Once you get used to higher framerate 60fps starts to look juddery when turning the camera.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Once frame gen becomes the norm, the "30 FPS is playable" crowd are going to look incredibly stupid. Not that they don't now.

Frame gen won’t solve the responsiveness issues, which is the main problem with fake frames, and a primary benefit of the higher frames to begin with

 

[Pegasus Actual]

You'll change your tune as soon as it will become a marketing cornerstone for a future Playstation.

 

[sendit]

Frame gen won’t solve the responsiveness issues, which is the main problem with fake frames, and a primary benefit of the higher frames to begin with

Frame gen along with technologies such as Reflex will solve/improve issues with latency. These technologies aren't going to remain stagnate.

 

[Idleyes]

I tried to told console players for years and some to this day still don't listen.

 

[Kataploom]

90 is my sweet spot, everything after that can be interpolated, for all I care

 

[Idleyes]

30 to 60 is the must have big leap. 60 to 120 is gravy

60 to 120 is gravy? What do you mean by gravy?

 

[TGO]

You're just making yourself sensitive to framerates, you ain't doing yourself no favours.

Once you get used to higher framerate 60fps starts to look juddery when turning the camera.

Exactly, and it's not because 60fps or any framerate for that matter that is stable is bad.
You can up to 640fps and there will be someone who sees 560fps as choppy.

 

[M.W.]

60 isn't playable anymore tbh.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

200fps at high settings? At 4K some PS4 games might run at such framerate even at maxed out settings, but PS5 ports would require lowering resolution to 1440p DLSS quality and use FGx2 on top of that. I can play quite a few PS5 games at around 200-250fps with these settings.

 

[Mister Wolf]

You're just making yourself sensitive to framerates, you ain't doing yourself no favours.

Exactly, and it's not because 60fps or any framerate for that matter that is stable is bad.
You can up to 640fps and there will be someone who sees 560fps as choppy.

That's why I like Frame Gen so much. I can get the desired smoothness of motion even though the hardware isn't powerful enough. Once I can hit 60 - 70fps natively, I dont care about the improved latency of even higher framerates.

 

[March Climber]

60 to 120 is gravy? What do you mean by gravy?

Something that adds to a meal that already tastes good enough on it’s own.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Motion clarity is one of the most underrated aspects in gaming. I want as high a refresh rate as possible. Hopefully one day we crack 1,000 Hz.

 

[Tams]

Ffs. We used to be happy if we got 30fps and we liked it.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Ffs. We used to be happy if we got 30fps and we liked it.

We used to be happy with black and white TVs too.

 

[rm082e]

Whether you feel a major difference or not is down to the specifics of your brain. I think it's a lot like vertical jump measurements - there's a bell curve and each individual is somewhere on it. I suspect the high level MP players are very sensitive to it. I'm on the opposite end of that spectrum.

I bought a 165hz monitor a few years ago and a 3080. I went from playing at 60 to 100+ in a handful of games I had installed. I could barely tell any difference. Even in a game like Doom 2016, it's very minor for me. If I stop playing a game and just look objectively at animations, it feels like maybe a 2% difference to my brain. In motion actually playing games, it's basically indistinguishable. Because I'm not sensitive to it, it's not worth the added electricity and heat output to run games above 60fps.

I bought my son (13) the same monitor and he says it's "night and day" difference for him.

 

[Topher]

60 to 120 is gravy? What do you mean by gravy?

I mean 120fps is a "nice to have", but, to me, the big leap is getting to 60fps.

 

[teokrazia]

I'm a 120Hz guy since 2010 (now 180Hz).
One of the most significant upgrades I ever done in my nerd life.

Welcome to the family, OP.

 

[Pimpbaa]

I’m usually fine with 60fps but frame rates higher than that are objectively better for fast paced multiplayer games (like first person shooters). Even tho say Black Ops 6 framerate is higher variable in 120hz mode on consoles, you still have an advantage over those that are stuck at 60fps.

 

[Topher]

Some are more sensitive than others to it

For me 60 to 120 is huge but I know some who say its not a big deal to them

I stop counting at 80.

 

[hinch7]

On controller 60fps is fine. Higher is better ofc. Once you go to fast inputs like moving around a mouse or VR thats when you see a massive difference after 60. VR actually needs higher framerates as choppiness and lag can cause nausia. Competitive games start feeling decent at 120fps/hz and doesn't really hit dimishing returns until maybe 165hz.

Personally, I find 80fps provides a really good quality experience in singleplayer games with fairly smooth motion and relatively low input lag. Locked 80 works great as well as my monitor is 240hz and it divides perfectly by 3.

 

[Balducci30]

Christ now people want 120 fps for everything? Graphics are fucked

 

[Radical_3d]

Some are more sensitive than others to it

For me 60 to 120 is huge but I know some who say its not a big deal to them

I can’t see it.

 

[64gigabyteram]

Eh, I dunno, past 60 it’s greatly diminishing returns

as a guy who just bought an HFR monitor in the past 3 days-

it is not diminishing returns. Not until you hit 240 probably. the difference in smoothness is that great. 60 actually starts to look bad once you've experienced 120+ for long enough

 

[xenosys]

90-120FPS is the sweet spot for me. Anything below that is noticeable, and anything above it isn't.

 

[Pejo]

Are there any games/headsets that support VR at 120fps? I think that would be a huge advantage there. On a monitor/tv, I'm not worried about it too much. Solid 60 is good enough for me, personally.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

While I set all my games to 60fps or even 120hz nowadays, I'm still of the opinion that stable 30fps is still perfectly fine as baseline and everything above it is just icing on the cake.