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The Draft in 2005...do you have an excuse to dodge it?

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We (and by "we" I mean the US) should really wait until there's definitive proof that Iran has nuclear weapons, before doing anything about it. Then everybody can point at that big mushroom cloud over Israel or Iraq and say, "See? Now let's go kick their asses!"
 

Overseer

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Ugh, more on the draft. I can't imagine why they would want to draft americans anyways, like 40% of all americans are overweight. Do you really want someone who will need a break every 2 minutes fighting in a war.

I have no salvation. :(
 

Triumph

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Overseer said:
Ugh, more on the draft. I can't imagine why they would want to draft americans anyways, like 40% of all americans are overweight. Do you really want someone who will need a break every 2 minutes fighting in a war.

I have no salvation. :(
And that's how Canada became our newest territory. Using former Canadian citizens in addition to our serfs from Guam, Puerto Rico and American Samoa, we won the war on terror. Class dismissed!
 
DarienA said:
Can you link me to an article with that references Russian Intelligence? I've never seen an article saying they believed that Iraq had WMD's....
I haven't come up with anything yet... just news articles alleging Russia provided intelligence and aid to Iraq before the war, along with the requisite denials from Russian officials. I'll keep looking, but in the meantime here's something interesting that I turned up:

Putin says Russia warned US about terrorist attacks from Iraq after 9/11
 

Phoenix

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Guileless said:
Every major intelligence agency in the world believed that Iraq had WMDs. Getting good intelligence in a totalitarian police state is very difficult.


Yet the information we're getting about Iran is coming from a resistance movement within Iran :)
 

Overseer

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www.sss.gov

If you look there it says that 18 and 19 year olds won't likely be drafted. That saves me some problems and gives me some time to get out of the U.S. So how is the weather in Canada?
 

Overseer

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Syckx said:
I go to college, so I am exempt until I graduate. After that, I'll knock up my fiancee.


Actually I read a thread a while back that neither women nor college students will be exempt from the draft.
 

Syckx

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Overseer said:
Actually I read a thread a while back that neither women nor college students will be exempt from the draft.

That's how my dad avoided Vietnam (College). Unless they changed it, it is a viable excuse as it infringes on your right to an education.
 

Overseer

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Syckx said:
That's how my dad avoided Vietnam (College). Unless they changed it, it is a viable excuse as it infringes on your right to an education.


Yes, but don't you think everyone has the right to have a life and family?
 

Syckx

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Overseer said:
Yes, but don't you think everyone has the right to have a life and family?

Absolutely, but college students have always been explicitly exempt based on the ground I mentioned. I'm not arguing the morality of a draft, I am just stating what I still belive is fact.
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
Syckx said:
That's how my dad avoided Vietnam (College). Unless they changed it, it is a viable excuse as it infringes on your right to an education.

You don't need no education when there's fer'ners to fight. YEEEEHAWWWW!
 

Vieo

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Nukes were a bad idea in the first place.

What's next? A type of bomb that can blow up a whole planet?

We're probably saving that one for the klingons.
 

Gianny

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Where the hardcore people at? The gangbangers, those at GAF who feel invisible at halo or other FPS, maybe 50 cent or some others, Rambo, Arnold...oh wait, too old. Vin Diezil will take care of them all, didn't you see XXX?

There are pently of "harcore" people in the USA that wouldn't mind going.

If Muhammad Ali did, why can't they?
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Spike Spiegel said:
I haven't come up with anything yet... just news articles alleging Russia provided intelligence and aid to Iraq before the war, along with the requisite denials from Russian officials. I'll keep looking, but in the meantime here's something interesting that I turned up:

Putin says Russia warned US about terrorist attacks from Iraq after 9/11

I've seen that article before... it references nothing about WMDs though.
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
Overseer said:
Syckx said:
That's how my dad avoided Vietnam (College). Unless they changed it, it is a viable excuse as it infringes on your right to an education.
Yes, but don't you think everyone has the right to have a life and family?

Actually, the reason college students were exempted is because in that era only the rich white students went to college. It was an easy way of exempting the cultural "elite" from having to fight in a war. That's why many wars, like Vietnam, had the reputation of being fought by the poor on behalf of the rich.
 

Phoenix

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Syckx said:
That's how my dad avoided Vietnam (College). Unless they changed it, it is a viable excuse as it infringes on your right to an education.

Classifications
Men are not classified now. Classification is the process of determining who is available for military service and who is deferred or exempted. Classifications are based on each individual registrant's circumstances and beliefs. A classification program would go into effect when Congress and the President decide to resume a draft. Then, men who are qualified for induction would have the opportunity to file a claim for exemptions, deferments, and postponements from military service. Here is a list of some, though not all, classifications and what they mean:

1-A - available immediately for military service.
1-O Conscientious Objector- conscientiously opposed to both types (combatant and non-combatant) of military training and service - fulfills his service obligation as a civilian alternative service worker.
1-A-O Conscientious Objector - conscientiously opposed to training and military service requiring the use of arms - fulfills his service obligation in a noncombatant position within the military.
2-D Ministerial Students - deferred from military service.
3-A Hardship Deferment - deferred from military service because service would cause hardship upon his family.
4-C Alien or Dual National - sometimes exempt from military service.
4-D Ministers of Religion - exempted from military service.

Student Postponements - a college student may have his induction postponed until he finishes the current semester or, if a senior, the end of the academic year. A high school student may have his induction postponed until he graduates or until he reaches age 20. Appealing a Classification - A man may appeal his classification to a Selective Service Appeal Board.


Here is the truth about school deferrments.
 

Pellham

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I think we should invade North Korea, it's not like they have any real friends. That and they deserve to be liberated, anyone who's read stories about how brutal the North Korean regime is would agree.

Iran, on the other hand, while it sucks that it's run by hardliners, the best we can hope for is that the people eventually start a civil war there, or other countries invade Iran. No point for the US to attack them since Iran has no reason to attack us first.
 

fennec fox

ferrets ferrets ferrets ferrets FERRETS!!!
This is about the millionth news-article post with a bogus "Draft" title attached to it. It's an attention-whore device.
 

Boogie

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fennec fox said:
This is about the millionth news-article post with a bogus "Draft" title attached to it. It's an attention-whore device.

Yeah, and the last two have been posted by norinrad. Why is he so obsessed with a mythical draft when he's not even American?
 

Master Z

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Pellham said:
I think we should invade North Korea, it's not like they have any real friends. That and they deserve to be liberated, anyone who's read stories about how brutal the North Korean regime is would agree.

This is a war the U.S. could not win without nuking the entire country. They have a million man army who all worship Kim Jong Il like a god.
 

Boogie

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Gianny said:
Where the hardcore people at? The gangbangers, those at GAF who feel invisible at halo or other FPS, maybe 50 cent or some others, Rambo, Arnold...oh wait, too old. Vin Diezil will take care of them all, didn't you see XXX?

There are pently of "harcore" people in the USA that wouldn't mind going.

If Muhammad Ali did, why can't they?

What the hell are you on?
 

Ill Saint

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I think we should invade North Korea, it's not like they have any real friends. That and they deserve to be liberated, anyone who's read stories about how brutal the North Korean regime is would agree.
Give it a rest. You haven't the faintest clue about the place, obviously. They're a messed up regime, but hey, the world is full of em. I say liberate America first, they detain and torture their own people. Hey, I read stories, man!

"Deserve to be liberated"... What the hell is that supposed to mean? Bleh.
 

ShadowRed

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Spike Spiegel said:
We (and by "we" I mean the US) should really wait until there's definitive proof that Iran has nuclear weapons, before doing anything about it. Then everybody can point at that big mushroom cloud over Israel or Iraq and say, "See? Now let's go kick their asses!"



Yeah like the "difinitive" proof that Iraq had WMD.
 

alejob

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Hmm, Chony weren't you the guy that was gonna get beatup by a friend? What hapened?



Anyway I just got a call from the army, they want to talk to me. HEHE! I'm going tomorow to their place. Don't think I'll join, but I want to listen to what they hace to say. You never know.
 

ShadowRed

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xexex said:
I WONT JOIN BECAUSE I DONT GIVE A FUCK



EXACT-FUCKING-LY!!!!!


I wish they would put a gun in my hand and tell me to go shoot someone. I'll be like, "Yeah I'll shoot someone alright."
 

Socreges

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:lol @ all the people planning on gaying it up

Spike Spiegel said:
We (and by "we" I mean the US) should really wait until there's definitive proof that Iran has nuclear weapons, before doing anything about it. Then everybody can point at that big mushroom cloud over Israel or Iraq and say, "See? Now let's go kick their asses!"
To put it less sarcastically, America should act on assumptions and "intelligence", and attack Iran or such nations? Really?

It is, of course, very possible to wait for certainty, but not to the point where a) Iran is is capable of a nuclear attack, and b) They even wish to do anything.
 

Chony

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alejob said:
Hmm, Chony weren't you the guy that was gonna get beatup by a friend? What hapened?



Anyway I just got a call from the army, they want to talk to me. HEHE! I'm going tomorow to their place. Don't think I'll join, but I want to listen to what they hace to say. You never know.

Im a pussy, I won't divulge into details.
 

Boogie

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Gantz said:
So Bush lied to us again. Didn't he say there wasn't going to be a draft?

Uh, he still hasn't said there will be one. Just because norinrad makes an attention-grabbing headline doesn't make it fact.
 

fse

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armynewx.jpg


http://www.enjoythedraft.com/
 

Ryu

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I think increasing incentives to join the military is where it's at. These guys willingly do a job protecting a ton of people, especially on this board, who would otherwise outright refuse to. That takes a lot of balls to sign up when you know in six months you're going to be put into harms way right out the gate with some of the worst benefits, worst pay, and worst working conditions on the planet even though the job is probably one of the most important on the face of the Earth.

I think instead of making these horrible "benefits" staples of our volunteer military, we should be increasing them dramatically to make serving an option for anyone that is heavily considered by everyone. Increase their pay. There's no reason some pencil pusher should be making five times the amount these guys make by simply crunching numbers. I don't think a high five figure salary should be out of the question -- somewhere between 75 and 90k as a standard GI starting pay with the rates differing in rank in a unit.

Increase health benefits. Extend them for their entire life, even after their tour of duty is completed and add it to their immediate family including their children and their wives or their parents. I don't see why this couldn't be done as it's just probably one of the biggest incentives to join the military in the first place given over %50 of the nation is without any healthcare already.

Extend college benefits to the soldier AND to their children. There's no reason why this shouldn't be done as well as a soldier is essentialy fighting for the futures of so many and what better way to make due on that incentive to join then to offer immediate results to their immediate family.

I have a great deal of respect for our armed forces as they do a job day in and day out that so many of us are unwilling to do and without them, we would face yet another draft in which case we'd do everything that our volunteer force does for FAR LESS then they are already provided. Only instead of throwing experienced soldiers at a problem and solving it, the government would just throw a lot of green soldiers at it and hope the problem worked itself out through sheer numbers of soldiers.

Most of you probably wouldn't even consider joining up here anyways so all of this is probably moot, but I think this would be a great way to bring in new recruits on a daily basis. It's an awfully hard package to pass up though for even some middile class families -- especially today.
 
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