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"The End of Men And the Rise of Women"
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"According to some, men have no responsibility in Mosuo societythey would have no jobs, rest all day, and conserve their strength for nighttime visits.[6] However, Mosuo males do have important roles in their society. They are in charge of livestock and fishing,[4] which they learn from their uncles and older male family members as soon as they are old enough."
Well this works for me.
ReBurn
Gold Member
In this case is it the actual article, which is just a review of a book, or is it the content of the book as it relates to the subject? Is Hanna Rosin and her views actually the source of contention here? Or is it the review article?
LOL, well played.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
I don't have anything against the content of the review, the problem is that it highlights this kind of book that would go completely unnoticed to the kind of people who will later go crying in the nth sexism thread about how feminists are actually evil.
No one actually buys her reasonings, no need to argue them.
Enough people that she got a book published.
Because let's be honest, we are better at cleaning, cooking and raising the kids.
FallingEdge
Member
Damn.
It has been a fun run. I'm gonna head to the gym to do some squats then bake brownies for everyone.
Equality for all!
It has been a fun run. I'm gonna head to the gym to do some squats then bake brownies for everyone.
Equality for all!
This analysis doesn't hold up not even one bit. First, Mousuo are a Matrilinear society, not matriarchal. Pre - Roman Iberian tribes were predominantely matriachal in the strictest sense of the word (only women could wield certain religious and political positions of power, and they participated in the army too) yet they warred and waged war between each other extensively like pretty much the rest of the ancient world. And let's better not get into particulary nasty cases such as Mao's Widow, the disastrous Cleopatra's policies or Thacher's conservative ascension.
Women are every bit as inept and agressive as men when it comes to politics and powerplay. The whole "wars are created by macho instincts" is a laughably intellectually lazy position, like the whole "animals are so much ethical than humans". You can only believe these tropes by ignoring history and biology respectively.
I honestly would not have any kind of problem with assuming that role, really.
Evolution_1ne
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Zoe
Member
You would think.
Not sure if anyone has posted this yet but intelligence squared covered this topic a little while ago. A really great listen. A little one sided if you ask me:
Are Men Finished?
Are Men Finished?
depths20XX
Member
Women can take up the working world. I'm tired of it.
Straight up. The less societal pressure for us to have to excel in our careers, the better. I'll gladly hold down the fort.
I really am better at cleaning than my wife. It's because I feel the need for a tidy environment while she doesn't really care. Could this be the true reason men have subjugated women for so long?
Mr. B Natural
Member
Nobody got together and decided what was happening was happening. If men turn into a bunch of losers, then that's what happens. If women's skills are more needed in the work force, then that's what happens. There is no conspiracy going on. It's men's fault why men are losing control in the house, in the workforce, etc.
youngwerther
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Good thing women don't have any testosterone!
depths20XX said:
That'd be cool with me, I'd freaking love to be a househusband.
I need a benefactress who will financially support my involvement in the arts.
I can't tell if you are a misogynist, a misandrist, or both.
Deified Data
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Why must one dominant gender necessarily be replaced by another?
But yeah, odd to start a thread about a book review.
But yeah, odd to start a thread about a book review.
MrChocolate
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You'd be okay with someone else paying your bills?
Granted, you would be cleaning the house, raising the kids, etc etc. But you wouldn't earn any money from it.
Think about it. Women had issues in the past because they got shitty salaries in almost every job, so if they didn't want to starve to death, they basically had to get a good husband.
youngwerther
Banned
If the relationship is of mutual benefit then why not?
I get shitty salaries right now. I make about $550 a month. Doesn't matter to me.
Kind of lol'd at how you made "getting a good husband" sound like a scenario only marginally better than starving to death.
Um, he's neither? What he said was absolutely true, and you would have to really be reaching to construe his post as legitimately bigoted in nature.
if this article was written by a male it would've about how much men dominate, and with similar tones, this would've been horrific
not only does she use awful statistics to prove her points, she also is incredibly biased during it
Im very glad that women are gaining a strengthened hold in the job market, it makes me happy that we can all generally be equal, but males are biologically way more driven then females to become higher ups. Not to say that females don't have those ambitions, or that they are worse for it, but for terms of producing offspring, women want successful men, men don't care if the female is successful. Men are way more likely to have the drive and ambition to become super successful.
not only does she use awful statistics to prove her points, she also is incredibly biased during it
Im very glad that women are gaining a strengthened hold in the job market, it makes me happy that we can all generally be equal, but males are biologically way more driven then females to become higher ups. Not to say that females don't have those ambitions, or that they are worse for it, but for terms of producing offspring, women want successful men, men don't care if the female is successful. Men are way more likely to have the drive and ambition to become super successful.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
i can understand this.
Hey ladies, if this means men get to subsume traditional feminine roles without society thinking ill of it, then fantastic. Sign me up.
Reality is - men continue to work/stick to quickly outmoded masculine roles, while women get an increasing range of roles granted to them, as well as keeping the choice of having their traditional feminine roles.
Some are but there are a good number of feminist that won't the balance of power to change with woman being on top. Some are just to afraid to come out and say it and others may be blind to see that other feminist feel that way. I'm sure its like this with all extremist groups though as there's always a side that wants full control and don't like how others or doing things. I'm sure this happened with first and second wave feminist as well.
Either way I don't really care if they surpass us oh well, its not going to change genetics or the need for sex so this doesn't effect me.
Yep and these are the people you have to actually be more afraid of, the ones that are more outspoken.
MrChocolate
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It might be in some cases
No. But it gives you independency. Something which a lot of households didn't have back then.
youngwerther
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That doesn't seem to be consistent with the adjective "good".
scar tissue
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NEOPARADIGM
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Why, he's the spirit of fun in music!
Something Wicked
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I will not let men go without a fight! I declare a war on women!
*genders gather on opposite sides in a open battlefield*
Me: "What these are women thinking? Us, men, have brought machine guns, tanks, jets, and even have a few spare divisions of nerds with slingshots. The women army brought none of these!"
*Bar Refaeli approaches the men's front line*
Bar: "Us, women, have found this war to be unnecessary. We would like one of you to come with me and discuss terms for peace."
Me: "Ha, I knew they would crumble. Now, guys, stay here while I go negotiate with her."
Some other dude: "Nah, man, I'll negotiate with her."
Me: "Fuck you, I'm the leader. I'm doing it."
Another dude: "Hey, I'm a better negotiator than the both of you! I'm going."
*I stab that dude, and most of the army of men erupt into a fight to the last man to talk to a supermodel. Meanwhile, divisions of more muscular women flank around the guys fighting and take out the nerds with slingshots sitting around playing Magic and Yugioh cards in the back of the battlefield. *
/exit dream mode
Shit, men really are screwed... ... ...But, let's just get this straight, I am the one that will be negotiating with Bar.
*genders gather on opposite sides in a open battlefield*
Me: "What these are women thinking? Us, men, have brought machine guns, tanks, jets, and even have a few spare divisions of nerds with slingshots. The women army brought none of these!"
*Bar Refaeli approaches the men's front line*
Bar: "Us, women, have found this war to be unnecessary. We would like one of you to come with me and discuss terms for peace."
Me: "Ha, I knew they would crumble. Now, guys, stay here while I go negotiate with her."
Some other dude: "Nah, man, I'll negotiate with her."
Me: "Fuck you, I'm the leader. I'm doing it."
Another dude: "Hey, I'm a better negotiator than the both of you! I'm going."
*I stab that dude, and most of the army of men erupt into a fight to the last man to talk to a supermodel. Meanwhile, divisions of more muscular women flank around the guys fighting and take out the nerds with slingshots sitting around playing Magic and Yugioh cards in the back of the battlefield. *
/exit dream mode
Shit, men really are screwed... ... ...But, let's just get this straight, I am the one that will be negotiating with Bar.
Welcome to modern feminism. It's not about equality anymore.
In the 70s feminists wanted equality and fought hard for it. A feminist from the 70s would (today) see things like there being 50% more females in college than males as a problem, and would strive to get schools to help boys. Just as they did for girls when the inequality was the other way around.
A modern feminist sees that statistic and shouts "Haha we're winning! The end of men!", and continue to push for programs and legislation that further empower females and ignore men.
AngmarsKing701
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Think she'll be on Romney's staff
?
pun potentially intended
She is just as sexist and as bad as the men that beat women.
People like her have no place in the modern world. People, regardless of where they come from and who they are, should be striving to better each-other.
Ideas, morals, laws...these are all things that should reflect the better part of society. Tearing each-other down and claiming to re-write the said above will not create progress.
In other words, while I can apperciate her stance on the matter, someone needs to take the pen away from her and apply duct tape to her mouth. She would do better to look and see first before writing.
People like her have no place in the modern world. People, regardless of where they come from and who they are, should be striving to better each-other.
Ideas, morals, laws...these are all things that should reflect the better part of society. Tearing each-other down and claiming to re-write the said above will not create progress.
In other words, while I can apperciate her stance on the matter, someone needs to take the pen away from her and apply duct tape to her mouth. She would do better to look and see first before writing.
AngmarsKing701
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You know what else is funny? I come into this thread and the ad I have at the top of the screen is for meeting local women who want to get it on and at the bottom it's an for SnorgTees with a woman with enormous breasts jammed into a tight t-shirt.
Equality!
Equality!
tearsofash
Member
That's a pretty big assumption of modern feminists. What do you base that off of?
Douglas Quaid
Member
If these so called socially progressive women feel that progress is reversing "who's-dominating-who" then fuck em' in their hypocritical ass. What the fuck is with this sensationalist women are better than men bullshit trend that's been so prevalent in the media the last couple years? They yell "Fuck Patriarchy" but what they mean is "Fuck Male Patriarchy", they just want to switch to puss' instead of cock at the top.
A way to build a healthy social structure is not to privilege the formerly subjugated over their subjugators, it's to honor both equally. Is it healthy to say women are better than men? You guys actually think that is progress? It's a reactionary reversal and it's far far far more harmful than good. Women are just as capable of being pieces of shit. Goodnight.
A way to build a healthy social structure is not to privilege the formerly subjugated over their subjugators, it's to honor both equally. Is it healthy to say women are better than men? You guys actually think that is progress? It's a reactionary reversal and it's far far far more harmful than good. Women are just as capable of being pieces of shit. Goodnight.
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